Trading down looks great!

[nathanlt]

It is possible to trade down both of Dallas' #1 picks into the second round for a teams second and third round picks, giving Dallas three second round picks and 3 third round picks. Using two of those third round picks to gain an additional 2nd round pick would give Dallas a total of four second round picks. According to NFLdraftcountdown here are the players who will be available in the second round. Pick 4 that you like and ask yourself, what 2 first round players would possibly be better than FOUR second rounders?
32. Sam Baker OT
33. Lawrence Jackson DE USC
34. Devin Thomas WR Michigan St.
35. Patrick Lee CB Auburn
36. Carl Nicks OT Nebraska
37. Antoine Cason CB Arizona
38. James Hardy WR Indiana
39. Pat Sims DT Auburn
40. Chilo Rachal OG USC
41. Mario Manningham WR Michigan
42. Calais Campbell DE Miami (FL)
43. Joe Flacco QB Delaware
44. Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee
45. DaJuan Morgan S North Carolina St.
46. Tracy Porter CB Indiana
47. Erin Henderson OLB Maryland
48. Early Doucet WR L.S.U.
49. Chris Johnson RB East Carolina
50. Curtis Lofton ILB Oklahoma
51. John Carlson TE Notre Dame
52. Fred Davis TE USC
53. Philip Wheeler OLB Georgia Tech
53. Chad Henne QB Michigan
55. Ray Rice RB Rutgers
56. André Woodson QB Kentucky
57. Justin King CB Penn St.
58. Matt Forté FB Tulane
59. Dustin Keller TE Purdue
60. Heath Benedict OT Newberry
61. Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame
62. Charles Godfrey CB Iowa

I would choose Antoine Cason, James Hardy or Early Doucet, Brandon Flowers and Ray Rice. Pretty tough to pick 2 first rounders that would contribute more than those four. For a third round pick, I'd add Colt Brennan and then in round four pick up Owen Schmitt, everyone's favorite in here.

 

[Hostile]

If we try and get cute, it's going to backfire really bad. With a team this close to being there, don't fool around. Do the homework and take the guys we want.

 

[visionary]

If we try and get cute, it's going to backfire really bad. With a team this close to being there, don't fool around. Do the homework and take the guys we want.

too much common sense and not enough "what ifs..." in this post for my liking

thread killer

 

[fairviewfarmer]

If we try and get cute, it's going to backfire really bad. With a team this close to being there, don't fool around. Do the homework and take the guys we want.

Amen to that.

 

[jterrell]

It is possible to trade down both of Dallas' #1 picks into the second round for a teams second and third round picks, giving Dallas three second round picks and 3 third round picks. Using two of those third round picks to gain an additional 2nd round pick would give Dallas a total of four second round picks. According to NFLdraftcountdown here are the players who will be available in the second round. Pick 4 that you like and ask yourself, what 2 first round players would possibly be better than FOUR second rounders?
32. Sam Baker OT USC 33. Lawrence Jackson DE USC 34. Devin Thomas WR Michigan St. 35. Patrick Lee CB Auburn 36. Carl Nicks OT Nebraska 37. Antoine Cason CB Arizona 38. James Hardy WR Indiana 39. Pat Sims DT Auburn 40. Chilo Rachal OG USC 41. Mario Manningham WR Michigan 42. Calais Campbell DE Miami (FL) 43. Joe Flacco QB Delaware 44. Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee 45. DaJuan Morgan S North Carolina St. 46. Tracy Porter CB Indiana 47. Erin Henderson OLB Maryland 48. Early Doucet WR L.S.U. 49. Chris Johnson RB East Carolina 50. Curtis Lofton ILB Oklahoma 51. John Carlson TE Notre Dame 52. Fred Davis TE USC 53. Philip Wheeler OLB Georgia Tech 53. Chad Henne QB Michigan 55. Ray Rice RB Rutgers 56. André Woodson QB Kentucky 57. Justin King CB Penn St. 58. Matt Forté FB Tulane 59. Dustin Keller TE Purdue 60. Heath Benedict OT Newberry 61. Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame 62. Charles Godfrey CB Iowa
I would choose Antoine Cason, James Hardy or Early Doucet, Brandon Flowers and Ray Rice. Pretty tough to pick 2 first rounders that would contribute more than those four. For a third round pick, I'd add Colt Brennan and then in round four pick up Owen Schmitt, everyone's favorite in here.

It is all about value. If guys we want are off the board then trading down makes sense but trading down just for the sake of doing so does not.

If we can get a need position whom we rank 22nd or higher at 22 we should take him.

I do think we may look to move down at 29 into round 2 and pick up a 3rd or 4th for our troubles but again it all depends on who is on the board at the time.

If 22 is DRC and 29 is DeSean Jackson/Malcolm Kelly then the value is too high to trade down.

We really have to wait and see who falls where.

 

[Redball Express]

I started a thread the other day with exactly the same premise and I'm still trying to clean the rotten tomatoes off my monitor.

Link to my thread

Do you know what rotten tomatoes smells like two days after they have splattered..?

The concept is too complex for most to undertake 30 days out from the draft. It's a paradyme shift that requires multi-level draft analysis of people to evaluate 25 players at once vs. just probably a handful.

That's a lot, even for people with cable modems or T3 connections to commit to. And who's got the time to do that.

Unless it comes from Mickey Spagnola. Then you will have dozens and hundreds coming out and saying they were promoting that the minute Cleveland did the trade with us last year.

Right.

But you wait, I'm willing to bet that rumors are going to surface soon that hint that Dallas my do just this with at least one of their #1's. Possibly both if the deals are sweet enough.

Good luck with your thread.

I'll happily watch as you poke your hat over the fence top and get it shot to pieces with our experts here.

Quick..duck..incoming..!!

PS..thanks for the list of names..I really didn't take it that far in the thread I had. But you are skillfully advancing the concept.

:starspin ReDBaLL ExPreSS:starspin

 

[Hostile]

too much common sense and not enough "what ifs..." in this post for my liking

thread killer

Oops.

 

[BlueStar II]

It is all about value. If guys we want are off the board then trading down makes sense but trading down just for the sake of doing so does not.

If we can get a need position whom we rank 22nd or higher at 22 we should take him.

I do think we may look to move down at 29 into round 2 and pick up a 3rd or 4th for our troubles but again it all depends on who is on the board at the time.

If 22 is DRC and 29 is DeSean Jackson/Malcolm Kelly then the value is too high to trade down.

We really have to wait and see who falls where.

I would agree, if the guys we want are already gone, then trade down to pick up some extra 2nd and/or 3rd rounders. Again though...that's only IF the players we want are already gone when it's our turn to pick.

 

[nathanlt]

It is all about value. If guys we want are off the board then trading down makes sense but trading down just for the sake of doing so does not.

If we can get a need position whom we rank 22nd or higher at 22 we should take him.

I do think we may look to move down at 29 into round 2 and pick up a 3rd or 4th for our troubles but again it all depends on who is on the board at the time.

If 22 is DRC and 29 is DeSean Jackson/Malcolm Kelly then the value is too high to trade down.

We really have to wait and see who falls where.

I agree it's all about value, however, I think the value of four second rounders is much higher than the value of 2 first rounders. Lower salary, more talent potential across four players than two.

Plus, no one has named two players that are better than the four I picked. Go ahead, I know you have their names.

 

[alancdc]

If we try and get cute, it's going to backfire really bad. With a team this close to being there, don't fool around. Do the homework and take the guys we want.

Spot on man. We did the same think with JJ and freakin' St. Jackson back a few years ago. Should have taken him and run.

 

[Hostile]

Spot on man. We did the same think with JJ and freakin' St. Jackson back a few years ago. Should have taken him and run.

The exact circumstance that came to my mind.

 

[sonnyboy]

I agree with you. Started a thread a few days ago that sorta touched on this. Its a theory I have on team construction that I believe can work best in this current FA/Hardcap structure the NFL has.

I call it the star theory. In this theory a team does all it can to ensure it has 10-12 of the very best players. 11 guys who rank in the top 5 at thier postion. You do this by striking early in FA and always try to get the best couple guys availible.

What you'll end up with is 11 guys under contracts using up about 70% of your cap dollars.
The only way to make this work is to fill the other 42 roster spots with original rookie FA's and draft picks in rounds 2-7.
So for the most part this team would be trading down every year. The exception would come in on QB. When its time to fill that need, you'll most likely be trading up into the top 5 to fill it. If you look back over the history of NFL FA you'll see a top rated guy at every position hit the market at some point. Except QB. You just dont see top 5 rated QB's hit the open market.

I have a couple rasons why I think this framework works best.

1) You're very seldom going to get into a contract or married to a player you regret. You're going after the very best players who seldom dissapoint with big dollars. All your other acqusitions will be under your terms with few strings attached. Mistakes that are easy to erase.

2) I've always believed that the difference between a 2007 Cowboy team and a 2007 Dolphin team can be measured in the top 5 to 10 players. How good a team is has more to do with its best 10 players than its bottom 40.

 

[playmakers]

Remember the 90s when our downfall started. Every season we trade down and pass over good players like Derrick Brooks for others such as Sherman Williams and Kendal Watkins to name a few. That should of taught this franchise something.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Trading down would be foolish with the talent that is in this draft. There is a plethora of talented RBs, DBs, and a couple of WRs in this draft that can be had with the 22nd and 28th pick. Those are positional needs. To trade down would diminish our ability to fill those needs.

So the answer to trading down is HELL NO!!!

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

It is possible to trade down both of Dallas' #1 picks into the second round for a teams second and third round picks, giving Dallas three second round picks and 3 third round picks. Using two of those third round picks to gain an additional 2nd round pick would give Dallas a total of four second round picks.

Pretty interesting and to the point. Given that the Draft is deepest in our areas of need, I wouldn't think this a horrible idea, but who knows what the Jones Camp is thinking right now.

 

[TheCount]

If we try and get cute, it's going to backfire really bad. With a team this close to being there, don't fool around. Do the homework and take the guys we want.

Agree 100%.

Jerry better not try and outsmart himself.

We need quality, not quantity at this point. We aren't rebuilding anymore.

 

[Hostile]

Agree 100%.

Jerry better not try and outsmart himself.

We need quality, not quantity at this point. We aren't rebuilding anymore.

That's the key right there. We don't need quantity, we need to add quality depth.

 

[Redball Express]

That's the key right there. We don't need quantity, we need to add quality depth.

..we need to multiply the numbers, reduce the boom/bust factor and address multiple needs.

:starspinReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

 

[nathanlt]

Trading down would be foolish with the talent that is in this draft. There is a plethora of talented RBs, DBs, and a couple of WRs in this draft that can be had with the 22nd and 28th pick. Those are positional needs. To trade down would diminish our ability to fill those needs.

So the answer to trading down is HELL NO!!!

Ok, so just name the two players that are better than adding James Hardy and Early Doucet or Brandon Flowers and Antoine Cason

(This assumes we convert Stanback to RB as was suggested in another thread, creating the Predator backfield. I'm sure romo would wear some dreadlocks to complete the effect.)

 

[Hostile]

..we need to multiply the numbers, reduce the boom/bust factor and address multiple needs.

:starspinReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

I don't agree with you this time TQ. If we do our homework we reduce the bust factor more. It's like throwing darts. You can either aim the darts carefully at your targets or you can toss a whole handful of them and hope for the best.