Trading down to #15 and the value of #4 pick??

[Rogerthat12]

I'd love to see the Rams overpay but I live in LA and very few people here give a rats hiney about the Rams.

EDIT - then again, I might be making your point for you. The Angels overpaid Luis Pujols by a ton so they could highlight him in their local marketing campaign, Goff might be the same thing.

Cool deal, I had no idea you were from LA, do you ever get out to Oxnard for TC?

 

[Kaiser]

Cool deal, I had no idea you were from LA.

I grew up in Midland but have lived in West Hollywood for 20 years. Its a different planet from even other parts of LA. I always say its strange and wonderful, some days more strange and some days more wonderful.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I grew up in Midland but have lived in West Hollywood for 20 years. Its a different planet from even other parts of LA. I always say its strange and wonderful, some days more strange and some days more wonderful.

Pretty awesome though, do you ever get out to Oxnard for TC?

 

[Kaiser]

Pretty awesome though, do you ever get out to Oxnard for TC?

I used to go fairly often but I have young kids now and haven't recently. I remember posting on the old DMN board that 7th round pick Ratliff would be a lot better than people expected, stuff like that.

I also remember posting that Drew Henson had all the physical skills and the rookie UDFA named Tony Romo had none. I think I posted something like "I don't get what they see in him".

 

[AbeBeta]

Rams need a splash for their new LA home. can't start the 2016 season after 20 years of no football with Case Keenum as your QB.

Need local Cal product Jarad Goff.

Local? Cal is over 300 miles from LA. Northern and Southern CA might as well be two different states. Fans won't see a Cal QB as a local heri in any way

 

[Rogerthat12]

I used to go fairly often but I have young kids now and haven't recently. I remember posting on the old DMN board that 7th round pick Ratliff would be a lot better than people expected, stuff like that.

I also remember posting that Drew Henson had all the physical skills and the rookie UDFA named Tony Romo had none. I think I posted something like "I don't get what they see in him".

lol...yep..all of us are wrong at some point on players but get some right as well.

That is pretty cool that you were able to go to Oxnard, looks like a pretty nice place near the beach and all.

 

[btcutter]

If we can get Ram's 1st and two 2nd's I think I am game.

Love to land Spence in the 1st.
Then the highest rated CB, DT and S with the three 2nd rounders. Could be pretty sweet boost to the DL and DBs!

 

[AbeBeta]

If we can get Ram's 1st and two 2nd's I think I am game.

Love to land Spence in the 1st.
Then the highest rated CB, DT and S with the three 2nd rounders. Could be pretty sweet boost to the DL and DBs!

If we get their two 2nds we get back into the first - if Lynch is there he's the target

 

[Verdict]

I think that your scenario applies even more so for the Chargers than it does for Dallas. I have repeatedly heard that the Chargers are not tied into any one player and are open to moving down.

A team looking to trade up for a quarterback could and would do it there rather than risking the chance of Dallas having the quarterback on their board that they loved and being unwilling to move.

I think that we as Cowboys fans would like for pick #4 to be a windfall, but the #3 pick appears to be significantly more valuable and likely in play too.

Yes, I agree with your general thought process regarding the Chargers and the #3 overall pick. While the Chargers have the same opportunity to trade back as we do here are the impediments to the CHARGERS doing that:

1. The #3 pick is worth even more than the #4 pick is, and while it is just one draft spot, the Chargers will want full value for the pick. I'm not saying that the Rams won't pay whatever the Chargers are asking, I am just saying that for every spot you move up at the top of the draft the more prohibitive the cost. The dropoff in talent from the #3 pick to #15 pick is going to be vast.

The top 3 will probably go something like this on most boards:

Tunsil
Wentz
Ramsey

Either way, neither Tunsil nor Ramsey will likely be on the board for the 4th pick unless both QBs go in the top 3 but it is ALMOST CERTAIN that at least one will of the two be on the board at #3 overall.

2. It is rumored that the Chargers REALLY like Ramsey and he should be on the board when they pick at #3 overall. So they will probably have to decide if they want the concensus best defensive player the draft in Ramsey or a much lesser talent in a trade down. If the Chargers take Ramsey, then it is arguable that if you don't want to take a QB there probably isn't anyone the Cowboys would really want at #4. If the Cowboys go on the clock and one of the top two QBs are one the board, then Ramsey is probably long gone.

 

[Questfor6]

If the Rams wanted Dallas' pick, I think a deal could get done if

Rams get Cowboys' 1st (4) and 4th (101)
Cowboys get Rams' 1st (15) and both 2nd rounders (43 and 45)

Wouldn't give up that high 4th round pick, I know this team sucks drafting in the 4th but someone good may actually fall thru to day 3.

 

[CCBoy]

15, 34, 43, 45, and 67. Interesting.

Give them those picks, and Dallas upgrades DE, SS, DT, and WR very significantly...

 

[Cowboys1fan]

I don't know how closely team's follow the draft value chart but according to that the Rams would be giving up at minimum their first 3 picks (Rams have two 2nd round picks but would only be trading 1)

I think the Rams would give up more than that for their future at qb. I would take 15 and 43 and their 3rd pick along with Robert Quinn for 4

 

[big dog cowboy]

Give them those picks, and Dallas upgrades DE, SS, DT, and WR very significantly...

Better get a CB in there somewhere.

 

[DFWJC]

Wouldn't give up that high 4th round pick, I know this team sucks drafting in the 4th but someone good may actually fall thru to day 3.

Notice that I what it would take to get a trade done and not what I want.
Obviously, if that 4th rounder is so dear to Dallas, they could just not make the trade at all.
I'm pretty positive Fisher wouldn't without that 4th and maybe a 6th too.. ....Because even with getting the 4th rounder (or even an extra 6th), the Rams are giving up more than we are on paper.

 

[Questfor6]

Notice that I what it would take to get a trade done and not what I want.
Obviously, if that 4th rounder is so dear to Dallas, they could just not make the trade at all.
I'm pretty positive Fisher wouldn't without that 4th and maybe a 6th too.. ....Because even with getting the 4th rounder (or even an extra 6th), the Rams are giving up more than we are on paper.

Rams owe Jerry for them even getting to LA, make them overpay

 

[DFWJC]

Rams owe Jerry for them even getting to LA, make them overpay

haha
I hear you. That is a twist.
But I think you'll agree that we can't make them do anything. there are 10 other teams between us and them in the draft this year.
I guess never say never though.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I grew up in Midland but have lived in West Hollywood for 20 years. Its a different planet from even other parts of LA. I always say its strange and wonderful, some days more strange and some days more wonderful.

Yep, that's West Hollywood alright. You are better man then me Kaiser. I am not sure I could 20 years there. LOL.........

 

[DeaconMoss]

If the Rams wanted Dallas' pick, I think a deal could get done if

Rams get Cowboys' 1st (4) and 4th (101)
Cowboys get Rams' 1st (15) and both 2nd rounders (43 and 45)

I so hope this happens

 

[DFWJC]

I so hope this happens

Also

THIS



except with the 2016 version of THIS

 

[DallasBlockersClub]

What compensation do you think the Cowboys would require of the Rams to move down to #15? I am guessing a king's ransom that would involve at least #15 and next year's first, or maybe the next two first round picks (potentially more.

The first question I have is would we be willing to move down to #15? I think the answer is : "Possibly", if we don't like one of the QBs and there is not someone we are in love with at the position.

Most likely the Rams are somewhat desperate to draft a QB. They would likely need to move ahead of the 49ers and Eagles to get one of the concensus top two.

Ironically, if Cleveland selects a QB at #2 it might actually drive up the value of the #4 pick if the Chargers don't trade back and take a player who is not a QB at #3. That value goes up even more if the QB selected by Cleveland isn't the QB targeted by the team moving up.

San Francisco might be a potential trade partner, but obviously the compensation would be much less to trade down to them. Then again, if the Rams are wanting to move up and pay a kings ransom to trade up, it might drive the cost of moving up for San Fran and require them to overpay to move up. That would probably be a best case scenario for us.

Would love to fleece the Rams. But then I'd be happy with any of Bosa/Ramsey/Jack/Wentz/Goff.