Trading MBIII and ramifications, if any...

[Verdict]

It is my understanding, that since this is an uncapped year, that we could cut MBIII (or any other player with a salary higher than his worth) this year with no penalty because this is an uncapped year. Likewise, we should also be able to trade him with no penalty, because there is no cap this year.

Barber is not playing up to his "cap hit" but he can still play. Is it possible that his trade value will actually be increased due to the fact that this year is uncapped? Adam? Others?

 

[CoachHodnett]

It is my understanding, that since this is an uncapped year, that we could cut MBIII (or any other player with a salary higher than his worth) this year with no penalty because this is an uncapped year. Likewise, we should also be able to trade him with no penalty, because there is no cap this year.

Barber is not playing up to his "cap hit" but he can still play. Is it possible that his trade value will actually be increased due to the fact that this year is uncapped? Adam? Others?

You say "No Penalty" and I'm not sure that's the correct way to say it. I believe there is a certain amount of money that would be accelerated to now and that is what we would pay him regardless of a cap or no cap. The only difference is that there is no limit to how much we can spend on players, other than the fact that we were a final 8 team.

Because of the fact that we can't spend big money to replace players we release, I would not cut Barber.

If a trade opportunity came along, I would consider it, especially if it brought a high draft choice or maybe even a player such as OL or DL.

Other than a trade opportunity, I say we keep Barber, but decrease his reps. He's an expensive luxury at this point... but Jerry has the money to pay for it.

 

[Cowboys22]

Yep, I'd hold onto him for 1 more year unless blown away by a trade offer. Reduce his reps and put him back in the closer role. Next off season it will probably make alot more sense to cut him and sign Choise to an extension.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Trading MBIII and ramifications, if any...

That is simple. The ramifications are you have to draft another RB to take his place and hope like hell he can play to MBIII's abilities when he is healthy.

Uncapped year, trade value, whatever fancy words you want to throw out there it doesn't matter if you weaken the team on the field.

 

[Gzus]

Cleveland is rumored to be looking for a RB to pair w/ Harrison through the draft or FA. Barber for Cribbs?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It is my understanding, that since this is an uncapped year, that we could cut MBIII (or any other player with a salary higher than his worth) this year with no penalty because this is an uncapped year. Likewise, we should also be able to trade him with no penalty, because there is no cap this year.

Barber is not playing up to his "cap hit" but he can still play. Is it possible that his trade value will actually be increased due to the fact that this year is uncapped? Adam? Others?

wait wait wait....first you say this is an uncapped year. so no penalties. then you say barber is not playing up to his cap hit? so which is it?

I love this lets get rid of barber crowd. we have a very deep position. all of who have been used regularly during the season. so now, lets cut one of them, who btw gained the most yards and had a 4.4 ypc average and was 17th in the league in rushing, in a truly split bakc field, so that we can create a need to draft another RB, because he doesn't meet your (or some of you) expectations and doesn't meet his salary.

first, are you paying his salary? if yes, then can I borrow a couple of million. if not, then what are you worried about.

why mess with something that's working or are you all bored?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That is simple. The ramifications are you have to draft another RB to take his place and hope like hell he can play to MBIII's abilities when he is healthy.

Uncapped year, trade value, whatever fancy words you want to throw out there it doesn't matter if you weaken the team on the field.

BINGO...finally someone with a little bit of sense.

 

[tunahelper]

It is my understanding, that since this is an uncapped year, that we could cut MBIII (or any other player with a salary higher than his worth) this year with no penalty because this is an uncapped year. Likewise, we should also be able to trade him with no penalty, because there is no cap this year.

Barber is not playing up to his "cap hit" but he can still play. Is it possible that his trade value will actually be increased due to the fact that this year is uncapped? Adam? Others?

I think Barber needs to be either demoted or traded. TC and Felix are more productive and deserve an opportunity to be the duo next year.

 

[sonnyboy]

wait wait wait....first you say this is an uncapped year. so no penalties. then you say barber is not playing up to his cap hit? so which is it?

I love this lets get rid of barber crowd. we have a very deep position. all of who have been used regularly during the season. so now, lets cut one of them, who btw gained the most yards and had a 4.4 ypc average and was 17th in the league in rushing, in a truly split bakc field, so that we can create a need to draft another RB, because he doesn't meet your (or some of you) expectations and doesn't meet his salary.

first, are you paying his salary? if yes, then can I borrow a couple of million. if not, then what are you worried about.

why mess with something that's working or are you all bored?

Yes there is no hard cap for 2010, but there is a cap of sorts. A cap on payroll that Jerry or any other owner is willing to fork over. That number could be really high for Jerry in any one year, but I can assure you that it's close to what the now imaginary cap would be over a rolling 3 or 4 year period.
This is still a business and needs to turn a profit.

As far as trading Barber, its close to impossible. His contract is far to large for his production. If he were relesed, no team would even claim him off waivers and assume his current deal.
He would almost certainly clear waivers and sign a more modest deal with any one of I'm sure many teams interested in his services.

When healthy Barber is a good player. He's just not worth nowhere near the almost 9 mil he'll get this year in roster bonus and salary.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Cleveland is rumored to be looking for a RB to pair w/ Harrison through the draft or FA. Barber for Cribbs?

I wouldn't be mad.

 

[jobberone]

Barber was not completely healthy after the Giants game. He never returned to form. Now if you think he regains that form with his former power and that unique lateral jump move then you keep him. He's worth the money. If you think either you can replace his production and abilities then you cut him. It's simple although I have no idea how to know before the April bonus how he'll be physically.

 

[Joe_Fan]

Yep, I'd hold onto him for 1 more year unless blown away by a trade offer. Reduce his reps and put him back in the closer role. Next off season it will probably make alot more sense to cut him and sign Choise to an extension.

In case you haven't figured it out, because of his contract his reps will not get reduced. It's no different Roy Williams. Right now we're being held hostage to their contracts and as long as either remain on this team they will be getting as much playing time as possible even when there are other players on the roster far more deserving and far more productive.

 

[sonnyboy]

In case you haven't figured it out, because of his contract his reps will not get reduced. It's no different Roy Williams. Right now we're being held hostage to their contracts and as long as either remain on this team they will be getting as much playing time as possible even when there are other players on the roster far more deserving and far more productive.

I wont deny this factors in a little, but nearly as much as many here believe. Where it comes into play is the off-season. The OTAs, training camp and preseason. Those higher paid players get the benefit of doubt so to speak. They get every opportunity to win the starting spot. But it's not so much about the money as it is the "talent" or perhaps "expectations".

For the most part those overpaid guys got that way for a good reason. They had performed up to the level of their current pay or have the natural ability to do so.

A good example is the Jenkins/Scandrick competition. All the conspiracy buffs on this site couldn't handle the truth of why Jenkins was given more opps over Scandrick who actually played better as a rookie.
"Oh its just because he's a 1st round guy and the Cowboys don't want to look bad." Or "Wade's a puppet and just playing Jenkins because Jones is telling him to"

Few wanted to acknowledge the simple truth. And that was that Jenkins clearly had more ability and a higher upside. He just adapted to the pro game a little slower.
It's clear the Cowboys were right and everything they did was in the best interest of fielding the best team.

That's what will happen with Barber and Williams.

 

[2much2soon]

I wont deny this factors in a little, but nearly as much as many here believe. Where it comes into play is the off-season. The OTAs, training camp and preseason. Those higher paid players get the benefit of doubt so to speak. They get every opportunity to win the starting spot. But it's not so much about the money as it is the "talent" or perhaps "expectations".

For the most part those overpaid guys got that way for a good reason. They had performed up to the level of their current pay or have the natural ability to do so.

A good example is the Jenkins/Scandrick competition. All the conspiracy buffs on this site couldn't handle the truth of why Jenkins was given more opps over Scandrick who actually played better as a rookie.
"Oh its just because he's a 1st round guy and the Cowboys don't want to look bad." Or "Wade's a puppet and just playing Jenkins because Jones is telling him to"

Few wanted to acknowledge the simple truth. And that was that Jenkins clearly had more ability and a higher upside. He just adapted to the pro game a little slower.
It's clear the Cowboys were right and everything they did was in the best interest of fielding the best team.

That's what will happen with Barber and Williams.

I don't buy your argument one bit.

If Roy Williams hadn't gotten hurt there is no guarantee the staff would of ever given Austin the playing time to show what he could do. They hadn't done that through the first 4 games of the season (when the team was 2-2 and needed a spark), and they didn't until their hand was forced by Roy's injury.

And there was little shown by Jenkins his rookie year other than some bursts of athleticism here and there. If an UDFA had pulled that ole !@#$ Jenkins pulled against NY he would of never seen the field even if he had the make up speed of Carl Lewis. Let alone looking into the back field and getting burned like he did on numerous occasions.

To his credit, Jenkins manned up, studied, and improved a bunch.

But I'd say these guys get more chances due to the egos of the team's management not wanting to admit they made mistakes with their draft picks, the contracts they hand out, and the trades they make.

Why was Julius Jones allowed to run into the backs of his blockers and stumble in the open field with no one around, for the better part of two seasons under both Parcells and Wade?

Why is Barber allowed to do pretty much the same thing when there are two backs behind him who have shown themselves to be more than capable?

Remember how absolutely, embarrassingly horiffic Drew Bledsoe had to play before Romo got a chance? The season was just about down the drain and Bledsoe looked like a scared 12 year old boy out there.

 

[sonnyboy]

I don't buy your argument one bit.

If Roy Williams hadn't gotten hurt there is no guarantee the staff would of ever given Austin the playing time to show what he could do. They hadn't done that through the first 4 games of the season (when the team was 2-2 and needed a spark), and they didn't until their hand was forced by Roy's injury.

And there was little shown by Jenkins his rookie year other than some bursts of athleticism here and there. If an UDFA had pulled that ole !@#$ Jenkins pulled against NY he would of never seen the field even if he had the make up speed of Carl Lewis. Let alone looking into the back field and getting burned like he did on numerous occasions.

To his credit, Jenkins manned up, studied, and improved a bunch.

But I'd say these guys get more chances due to the egos of the team's management not wanting to admit they made mistakes with their draft picks, the contracts they hand out, and the trades they make.

Why was Julius Jones allowed to run into the backs of his blockers and stumble in the open field with no one around, for the better part of two seasons under both Parcells and Wade?

Why is Barber allowed to do pretty much the same thing when there are two backs behind him who have shown themselves to be more than capable?

Remember how absolutely, embarrassingly horiffic Drew Bledsoe had to play before Romo got a chance? The season was just about down the drain and Bledsoe looked like a scared 12 year old boy out there.

I understand you..you're playing the healthy skeptic.

All teams, all staffs error on the side of caution when playing younger players and making that transition. The Cowboys are nothing special here in this regard.

You're wrong about the ego thing. Teams do all they can to win. Did you notice that Austin and Crayton were our starters in Min?

I totally agree about the Romo/Bledsoe deal. I was screaming for Romo to start.
But that's just another example of an NFL coach being overly conservative and not trusting a young player.

Your take on teams not wanting to look bad with respect to their draft picks is way off base.
Of course they want to be right on the picks. But not at the cost of winning. The reason these higher picks are given more chances is because of the perceived talent level involved and higher ceiling.

 

[dbair1967]

It is my understanding, that since this is an uncapped year, that we could cut MBIII (or any other player with a salary higher than his worth) this year with no penalty because this is an uncapped year. Likewise, we should also be able to trade him with no penalty, because there is no cap this year.

Barber is not playing up to his "cap hit" but he can still play. Is it possible that his trade value will actually be increased due to the fact that this year is uncapped? Adam? Others?

Its not officially an uncapped year yet.

That said it doesnt matter, nobody is trading for Barber with his contract.

 

[Eskimo]

Cleveland is rumored to be looking for a RB to pair w/ Harrison through the draft or FA. Barber for Cribbs?

The Browns are too cheap - they don't want to pay Cribbs, so why would they want to pay for Barber?

 

[Eskimo]

I think Adam earlier mentioned that the cap implications will be the same whether we trade hiim this year or next year and will depend on what the new cap rules are.

So if we trade him this year, we could be hit with a cap hit for the remainder of the prorated signing bonus.

The other team will have to deal with Barber's salary in the new salary cap plus any roster bonuses.

 

[goshan]

Again, nobody is trading for Barber. His salary is too high.

 

[Eskimo]

Again, nobody is trading for Barber. His salary is too high.

Given that the future cap ramifications are the same whether we cut him this year or next year, this is a no-cap year, Jerry is responsible for the bad contract, he is likely untradeable and Barber can still play a useful role on the team I suggest that we keep him. Jerry can fork up the $8M for his services since it just comes out of his bottom line anyways.

The only thing I want is a commitment to play the best back as the starter (Felix Jones) and use a fair amount of Choice. Barber can be the "closer".

I would suggest a rush breakdown as follows:

Felix: 15-20 carries
Choice: 5-10 carries
Barber: 5-10 carries

This will allow us to get Felix the ball enough to make a major impact, Choice the ball enough not to become frustrated and ditto for Barber. It also gives us enough carries between the 3 to play the ball control we want with our bad OL and will limit the amount of hits that Romo takes.

We should make it a priority to become a screen team to deal with all the blitzes people like to use against us. I would like Felix to be the main beneficiary. The second big beneficiary would be Romo as it would slow dow the rush a little bit. To make this offense work we need OL who can run which means Colombo's days are numbered (we already knew that about Flo who probably only plays one more year) and Free will start.

If we can also find a legit complement to Miles at WR (? RW11, KO, draft pick) and we fix the OL we should become a very potent offense and score 27-30 ppg while playing ball control to keep the D fresh for late in the game.