Trading MBIII and ramifications, if any...

[CF74]

Given that the future cap ramifications are the same whether we cut him this year or next year, this is a no-cap year, Jerry is responsible for the bad contract, he is likely untradeable and Barber can still play a useful role on the team I suggest that we keep him. Jerry can fork up the $8M for his services since it just comes out of his bottom line anyways.

The only thing I want is a commitment to play the best back as the starter (Felix Jones) and use a fair amount of Choice. Barber can be the "closer".

I would suggest a rush breakdown as follows:

Felix: 15-20 carries
Choice: 5-10 carries
Barber: 5-10 carries

This will allow us to get Felix the ball enough to make a major impact, Choice the ball enough not to become frustrated and ditto for Barber. It also gives us enough carries between the 3 to play the ball control we want with our bad OL and will limit the amount of hits that Romo takes.

We should make it a priority to become a screen team to deal with all the blitzes people like to use against us. I would like Felix to be the main beneficiary. The second big beneficiary would be Romo as it would slow dow the rush a little bit. To make this offense work we need OL who can run which means Colombo's days are numbered (we already knew that about Flo who probably only plays one more year) and Free will start.

If we can also find a legit complement to Miles at WR (? RW11, KO, draft pick) and we fix the OL we should become a very potent offense and score 27-30 ppg while playing ball control to keep the D fresh for late in the game.

I still marvel every time I see them pull Bigg..:laugh2:

 

[Eskimo]

I still marvel every time I see them pull Bigg..:laugh2:

Bigg can run but instead of blocking someone he usually just falls down right in front of them which is usually only partially effective at best. Kosier and Free and to a lesser extent Gurode are effective getting out on screens and making blocks in space.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yes there is no hard cap for 2010, but there is a cap of sorts. A cap on payroll that Jerry or any other owner is willing to fork over. That number could be really high for Jerry in any one year, but I can assure you that it's close to what the now imaginary cap would be over a rolling 3 or 4 year period.
This is still a business and needs to turn a profit.

As far as trading Barber, its close to impossible. His contract is far to large for his production. If he were relesed, no team would even claim him off waivers and assume his current deal.
He would almost certainly clear waivers and sign a more modest deal with any one of I'm sure many teams interested in his services.

When healthy Barber is a good player. He's just not worth nowhere near the almost 9 mil he'll get this year in roster bonus and salary.

absoultely, so you have to talka bout jerry being willing to fork over some money, it has nothing to do with cap. and Jerry has shown his cap number is much higher than most others in the NFL. plus, he needs to make sure there are arses in the seats in the new stadium, so why mess with the team. why mess with a positive thing. we had a very good rushing attack, it helped us throughout the season. so lets get rid of one of the main cogs and then what? we have to replace him, which means spending a valuable draft pick to find another RB. and in case you forgot we have 6 of them this year with needs at Saftey, OL, DL, MLB, CB and WR.

in case you forgot only 16 mill of his salary is gauranteed. he still was able to get over 900 yards, good for 17th in the league. he still had 4.4 ypc. all of which point to him still being a capable player. as you said he has dealth with injuries. then again so has felix and its been proven we need depth in the RB department.

cutting him makes no sense. a player like barber would easily, easily get around 3-4 mill a year in the market if not more. here I am playing your hand... so we are talking an additional 3 to 4 mill a year.

if we are talking about cutting plaeyers why not discuss Roy Williams who has failed to produce anything worth pointing to. at least barber has produced, albeit not to a lot of people's expectations.

I wouldnt' mess with it unless I am 110% sure I could get better. we are in the middle of a superbowl run. putting a team together that can get to the top. now we should mess around with the most successful aspect of our offense. and why? for 4 million dollars in an uncapped year. think people. think a little.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In case you haven't figured it out, because of his contract his reps will not get reduced. It's no different Roy Williams. Right now we're being held hostage to their contracts and as long as either remain on this team they will be getting as much playing time as possible even when there are other players on the roster far more deserving and far more productive.

ahhh you would be wrong. in fact his reps did get reduced as Felix' reps increased. go look for yourself.

 

[jay cee]

absoultely, so you have to talka bout jerry being willing to fork over some money, it has nothing to do with cap. and Jerry has shown his cap number is much higher than most others in the NFL. plus, he needs to make sure there are arses in the seats in the new stadium, so why mess with the team. why mess with a positive thing. we had a very good rushing attack, it helped us throughout the season. so lets get rid of one of the main cogs and then what? we have to replace him, which means spending a valuable draft pick to find another RB. and in case you forgot we have 6 of them this year with needs at Saftey, OL, DL, MLB, CB and WR.

in case you forgot only 16 mill of his salary is gauranteed. he still was able to get over 900 yards, good for 17th in the league. he still had 4.4 ypc. all of which point to him still being a capable player. as you said he has dealth with injuries. then again so has felix and its been proven we need depth in the RB department.

cutting him makes no sense. a player like barber would easily, easily get around 3-4 mill a year in the market if not more. here I am playing your hand... so we are talking an additional 3 to 4 mill a year.

if we are talking about cutting plaeyers why not discuss Roy Williams who has failed to produce anything worth pointing to. at least barber has produced, albeit not to a lot of people's expectations.

I wouldnt' mess with it unless I am 110% sure I could get better. we are in the middle of a superbowl run. putting a team together that can get to the top. now we should mess around with the most successful aspect of our offense. and why? for 4 million dollars in an uncapped year. think people. think a little.

I don't care how many good points you make, it won't do any good. A lot of fans want Barber gone, and that's the bottom line as far as they are concerned.

They don't care about anything else. Least of all logic.

Like, why would a team trade for a player that they claim is sorry, injury prone and overpaid?

 

[Future]

Cleveland is rumored to be looking for a RB to pair w/ Harrison through the draft or FA. Barber for Cribbs?

Cleveland makes sense, but there is 0 chance they give away their best player for MBIII

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I've got a feeling there are going to be a whole lot of very unhappy fans when Barber is still with the Cowboys for the 2010 season.

 

[ayjackson]

I think Adam earlier mentioned that the cap implications will be the same whether we trade hiim this year or next year and will depend on what the new cap rules are.

So if we trade him this year, we could be hit with a cap hit for the remainder of the prorated signing bonus.

The other team will have to deal with Barber's salary in the new salary cap plus any roster bonuses.

I think the prorated signing bonus is accelerated into the current year if a player is cut/dealt, unless it is an "uncapped" year. In an uncapped year, the signing bonus would still hit the payroll spread over the original term of the contract - this would obviously have an impact on any future "capped" years (depending on future CBAs). Or at least that's what I read somewhere.

 

[Eskimo]

I think the prorated signing bonus is accelerated into the current year if a player is cut/dealt, unless it is an "uncapped" year. In an uncapped year, the signing bonus would still hit the payroll spread over the original term of the contract - this would obviously have an impact on any future "capped" years (depending on future CBAs). Or at least that's what I read somewhere.

Yes, that is what I was trying to get at. There is no benefit to cutting Barber in an uncapped year in terms of the future salary cap.

Some hoped that if we dumped Barber this year that the rest of the prorated SB would be accelerated into this year and get us out of the future salary cap charges for him. But that isn't the case so it weakens the case for cutting Barber now.

To me, the only issue is that Felix needs to be the starter and #1 RB and get his touches every game. His talent cannot be wasted watching Barber from the sideline for most of the plays in the game (see Minnesota playoff game where Barber got more snaps even though Felix got more rushes).

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Let's just cut or trade the whole team. They so totally underachieved this year. Let's start fresh. We can be the Browns of the South. Let's get rid of a guy who averages (total yards) more than 1,000 yards a season and just under 10 TDs a year. He's worthless.

What the hell people?!? We all recognize that Barber didn't produce the way he did two years ago. I think most of us agree that he isn't a 1st quarter running back, but he is a finisher.

Get away from the wacky tabacky and the bongs.