Trotter just said the gameplan[on DNL in Philly]

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In no way was Owens going to beat us. We harped all week that on every play we will have a double team, regardless, he wasnt going to dance on us. We did this and only played 7 in the box the entire game, that was our posion we picked. We knew coming in this week that they would run on us; however, we had to take their best player away. I know Terry Glenn is good but he's no TEEO.

Q; Are you suprised they just left him out wide for you to easily take him away with a double team
A: Well, when TeeO was here Reid knew he was going to get a double team but that doesnt stop Andy, he moved TEEO all over the place were he couldnt be doubled. Yes, suprised, but not complaining.


This wasnt word for word but pretty darn close. He said this at 5pm eastern.
 

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Stubborness and a refusal to use the weapons we have or put them in the right spots to make plays is what may undo this team in the end.
 

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Thats exactly why may gameplan would have been to force it to TO from play #1 knowing that if he made a few plays, the crowd would quit and the eagles would fold. But no, Parcells doesn't think like that. I still can't understand how it never came up that the best way to win that game was to do everything in the teams power to ensure TO got a TD early. Line him up in the backfield and make a LB cover him, I don't care, just do something to get him that TD in the 1st quarter and we would have won going away!!!!!!
 

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poor TO the team is not bending over backwards for him.

Here is an idea, when you are thrown the ball catch it, he has as many drops as catches.
 

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theebs;1081555 said:
poor TO the team is not bending over backwards for him.

Here is an idea, when you are thrown the ball catch it, he has as many drops as catches.

Here's another one. When he's open deep, don't underthrow him.
 

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CaptainAmerica;1081562 said:
Here's another one. When he's open deep, don't underthrow him.

yep thats true too, but when the ball hits you in the hands twice in the end zone you might want to catch it, or when you drop third down passes in key situations of a game, you might want to not scream and shout at your players...
 

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I think it's easy to oversimplify what really happened in the game after the fact. Did the Eagles want to do everything they could to contain TO. Yeah I'm sure they did, but the two interceptions that were thrown in TO's direction were both plays where TO had gotten open deep and he was missed. On the first one, Drew's arm was hit and on the second one, Bledsoe way underthrew it.

This is in addition to the throws TO caught and the one or two he dropped IIRC. So first off if Philly's game plan was to take away TO, they were not successful. Dallas just didn't execute it well enough as a team to make Philly pay.

Secondly, if they are paying that much attention to one guy then we should be able to do other things like run the ball, throw to Glenn, Witten, Fasano.

We did pretty well in the first half. In the second half, we didn't do well enough.

The biggest difference in the game was QB.
 

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Maybe its just me, but I think when you make the decision to bring TO in you have to understand that you may need change up a little bit to keep him happy. Thats just common sense to me! Why would you bring him in and then not use him knowing that could cause an issue. If thats how they think they should handle TO then they made the wrong decision to bring him in in the 1st place!
 

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dboyz;1081572 said:
I think it's easy to oversimplify what really happened in the game after the fact. Did the Eagles want to do everything they could to contain TO. Yeah I'm sure they did, but the two interceptions that were thrown in TO's direction were both plays where TO had gotten open deep and he was missed. On the first one, Drew's arm was hit and on the second one, Bledsoe way underthrew it.

This is in addition to the throws TO caught and the one or two he dropped IIRC. So first off if Philly's game plan was to take away TO, they were not successful. Dallas just didn't execute it well enough as a team to make Philly pay.

Secondly, if they are paying that much attention to one guy then we should be able to do other things like run the ball, throw to Glenn, Witten, Fasano.

We did pretty well in the first half. In the second half, we didn't do well enough.

The biggest difference in the game was QB.
add the fact that yesterday isn't the first time the drew has underthrown Owens!
 

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dboyz;1081572 said:
I think it's easy to oversimplify what really happened in the game after the fact. Did the Eagles want to do everything they could to contain TO. Yeah I'm sure they did, but the two interceptions that were thrown in TO's direction were both plays where TO had gotten open deep and he was missed. On the first one, Drew's arm was hit and on the second one, Bledsoe way underthrew it.

I don't know how you know that T.O. was open deep on the first play. Sheldon was right with Owens and Dawkins was presumably over the top before he saw the ball come out and came up to make the INT. We didn't get to see exactly where all of those three players were when the ball came out. I don't think simply because Bledsoe decided to throw it that he was open.
 

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playmakers;1081504 said:
In no way was Owens going to beat us. We harped all week that on every play we will have a double team, regardless, he wasnt going to dance on us. We did this and only played 7 in the box the entire game, that was our posion we picked. We knew coming in this week that they would run on us; however, we had to take their best player away. I know Terry Glenn is good but he's no TEEO.

Q; Are you suprised they just left him out wide for you to easily take him away with a double team
A: Well, when TeeO was here Reid knew he was going to get a double team but that doesnt stop Andy, he moved TEEO all over the place were he couldnt be doubled. Yes, suprised, but not complaining.


This wasnt word for word but pretty darn close. He said this at 5pm eastern.

I am as surprised by it as Trotter. Every great receiver gets double teamed, it's up to his coaches to find ways via motion, formation or playcalling to get him the ball. As JJT said, Steve Smith gets his numbers, Chad Johnson gets his, Torry Holt, Marvin Harrision, Michael Irvin, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Santana Moss and a whole line of Number 1 receivers get doubled but they still are able to be factors because of the coaches gameplanning and the QB having the guts to get him the ball anyway.
 

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Cowboys22;1081574 said:
Maybe its just me, but I think when you make the decision to bring TO in you have to understand that you may need change up a little bit to keep him happy. Thats just common sense to me! Why would you bring him in and then not use him knowing that could cause an issue. If thats how they think they should handle TO then they made the wrong decision to bring him in in the 1st place!

Sure, you need to change up a bit to keep him happy. But not at the expense of the game plan.

What's even more 'common sense' is not throwing 13 times to the guy with the broken finger whose double teamed. The guy who still doesn't 100 % sure of the playbook and his routes.

Each game is different from another. Next week it may well make sense to throw to Owens 30 times. But it didn't yesterday, especially the way Bledose was playing.

Yet to read this board, the game was lost yesterday because TO was not involved enough, whereas he could best have served the team by spending the day as the world's priciest decoy...which he was in the first half, a first half which we ended up leading at halftime.

His time will come, but it wasn't gonna be in Philly yesterday.
 

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theebs;1081555 said:
poor TO the team is not bending over backwards for him.

Here is an idea, when you are thrown the ball catch it, he has as many drops as catches.

I'm in no way a TO supporter But for heaven sakes the Cowboys have a awesome weapon in TO (and need the help) and the coaching staff does not want to, or know how to or are unwilling to get this guy involved.


Its not about last year or TO it is about the Cowboys playing like a contender not just a bunch of guys out playing football in the backyard. By the way it was the veteran QB, BLEDSOE that blew the game in the last seconds AGAIN

Was Jerry Rice just a Decoy with the 49ers.
 

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What truly cost us the game was the fact that we stopped feeing the ball to JuliusJones and Marion Barber III. Jones was OWNING the Philly D yesterday! The Eagles would score and the offense went into panic mode and started lining up in empty sets. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID! On the firstTD drive we had the most balanced and effective scroring drive that I have seen from this team all year. We spotted Philly ten and came back and rammed it right down their throats. At that point I thought, "Oh yeah baby, all day long". Lo and behold, we never even ATTEMPTED that type of balance on a drive again. I was sure that JJ was going to have another game like he had last year at Carolina. The kid was just bustin it hard, yet, we put the game in Bledsoe's hands for the majority of the game and got exactly what we asked for.

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theebs;1081555 said:
poor TO the team is not bending over backwards for him.

Here is an idea, when you are thrown the ball catch it, he has as many drops as catches.

and regardless of metal plates in broken hands - screw that!!! i wanna be unreasonable and just whine!!!!
 

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Bigdog24;1081622 said:
I'm in no way a TO supporter But for heaven sack the Cowboys have a awesome weapon in TO (and need the help) and the coaching staff does not want to, or know how to or are unwilling to get this guy involved.


Its not about last year or TO it is about the Cowboys playing like a contender not just a bunch of guys out playing football in the backyard.

Was Jerry Rice just a Decoy with the 49ers

Good Grief. People will defend owens if he stabs OJ simpson next week.
 

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slick325;1081599 said:
I am as surprised by it as Trotter. Every great receiver gets double teamed, it's up to his coaches to find ways via motion, formation or playcalling to get him the ball. As JJT said, Steve Smith gets his numbers, Chad Johnson gets his, Torry Holt, Marvin Harrision, Michael Irvin, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Cris Carter, Santana Moss and a whole line of Number 1 receivers get doubled but they still are able to be factors because of the coaches gameplanning and the QB having the guts to get him the ball anyway.

Bledsoe has the same separation issues with Keyshawn last year early on. But Johnson proved to him that what looked like tight coverage was not as risky as it seemed..since KJ can out muscle a defender, and has flat out terrific hands.

It's a moot point, considering the way Bledsoe played yesterday, but Owens' broken finger and prior drops may have figured in Drew's decision not to try to thread a needle between two defenders. And the more times Bledsoe throws to Owens and gets picked off, the less confidence will be there.

I'd like to know what plays Steve Dennis was referring to when he said players told him TO took plays off and didn't run a proper route...and what Bill means when he implied today TO is not yet in total control of the playbook.

Looks like the Bledsoe-Owens failure to communicate is six of one and a half dozen of the other to me.
 

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Smashmouth24;1081592 said:
I don't know how you know that T.O. was open deep on the first play. Sheldon was right with Owens and Dawkins was presumably over the top before he saw the ball come out and came up to make the INT. We didn't get to see exactly where all of those three players were when the ball came out. I don't think simply because Bledsoe decided to throw it that he was open.

Fair point. I'm going from memory and that is that Owens had beaten his man, but I don't know if the safety could have made a play had Bledsoe gotten it where it was supposed to go. On the second one I think you would agree that Owens was open and it should have been a TD.
 
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