Tweets w/ Rowan on Ware

[LatinMind]

It is about the future. You can replace his production with multiple players. George Selvie was more productive.

You dont think Selvie got alot less attention because of all the havoc Hatcher was putting inside? You know Hatcher played right next to him. You know the guy who lead the team in sacks. Just a thought.

 

[jterrell]

It is about the future. You can replace his production with multiple players. George Selvie was more productive.

riggghhhhttttt.
Selvie scared defenses to death and drew double teams too.

 

[Little Jr]

Ware has 42.5 sacks the previous 3 yrs. He's been hurt, thats an excuse? even with his injuries, the guy has missed 3 games in his career. He's played the past 2 yrs with a back injury, neck inury and elbow injury. His neck and his back didnt affect him much this yr but he had no leverage this yr after reinjurying that elbow. This surgery is to correct the problem. Simply cleanup that will not take up any of his offseason. and there is zero chance there is a DE in the draft that can do what he does. Get outta here with that bull.

As players get older they have less injuries? Lol you named off a list of injuries and he's not getting any younger. This has been a 2 year decline. People mention is 11.5 sacks in 2012. I believe he had 8 in the 1st half and then diappeared the 2nd half. Same in 2013. Its becoming a trend. And like I said he isn't getting younger. Can we get 1 de in the draft that can do what he does? 6 sacks? Maybe. I'm sure we can get multiple players to. Again I can't say we can but you can't tell me for sure we can't. 50/50. You're assuming this year will be different. I'm going with what he has shown the past 2 years. I heard this same song and dance all of lst offseason. He will be healthy and bounce back only to see the same thing happen as the previous year. If he takes a cut I have no problem with keeping him. If not cut him. I'm sure they'll just restructure and keep him anyways but to me its a waste.

 

[LatinMind]

As players get older they have less injuries? Lol you named off a list of injuries and he's not getting any younger. This has been a 2 year decline. People mention is 11.5 sacks in 2012. I believe he had 8 in the 1st half and then diappeared the 2nd half. Same in 2013. Its becoming a trend. And like I said he isn't getting younger. Can we get 1 de in the draft that can do what he does? 6 sacks? Maybe. I'm sure we can get multiple players to. Again I can't say we can but you can't tell me for sure we can't. 50/50. You're assuming this year will be different. I'm going with what he has shown the past 2 years. I heard this same song and dance all of lst offseason. He will be healthy and bounce back only to see the same thing happen as the previous year. If he takes a cut I have no problem with keeping him. If not cut him. I'm sure they'll just restructure and keep him anyways but to me its a waste.

Ok did you actually watch 2012? Because if you did you would see a defense that had Ware in alot of coverage. Team would shift to his side to take him out of the passrush of sorts. Why do you think Spencer got so many oppurtunities? All of the sudden he was a sack king? Youre damn right i think it will be defferent if Dallas gets their head out of the you know what and get a DT who can play on Wares side. And a healthy ware which is should be. Did you not watch anything Ware did last offseason and tC and the start of the yr? Obviously from your post you didnt. Ware had 6 sacks playing with 1 arm. well he had 2 sacks playing with 1 arm. And 4 sacks and a int playing with 2 in 2 games playing with 2 arms

 

[ChooChoo73]

If I knew Ware would have his best season ever, he would still not be near as valuable as the 3-4 other players we could add in his cap space over the next two years.

 

[Little Jr]

Ok did you actually watch 2012? Because if you did you would see a defense that had Ware in alot of coverage. Team would shift to his side to take him out of the passrush of sorts. Why do you think Spencer got so many oppurtunities? All of the sudden he was a sack king? Youre damn right i think it will be defferent if Dallas gets their head out of the you know what and get a DT who can play on Wares side. And a healthy ware which is should be. Did you not watch anything Ware did last offseason and tC and the start of the yr? Obviously from your post you didnt. Ware had 6 sacks playing with 1 arm. well he had 2 sacks playing with 1 arm. And 4 sacks and a int playing with 2 in 2 games playing with 2 arms

Yes I watched. Lol and I saw a player fall of the 2nd half of the season because of injuries. I watched 2013 also. I again saw a player fall off cause of injuries. Where we differ is you assume he's gonna be healthy. I assume I'm gonna see the same thing as the last 2 years. If we get that ware you are talking about great. But I've seen nothing the past 2 seasons to make me think he's gonna be able to stay healthy. Jmo

 

[jterrell]

If I knew Ware would have his best season ever, he would still not be near as valuable as the 3-4 other players we could add in his cap space over the next two years.

Costs more to cut him than to keep him but thanks for playing.

 

[Kevinicus]

Ok did you actually watch 2012? Because if you did you would see a defense that had Ware in alot of coverage. Team would shift to his side to take him out of the passrush of sorts. Why do you think Spencer got so many oppurtunities? All of the sudden he was a sack king? Youre damn right i think it will be defferent if Dallas gets their head out of the you know what and get a DT who can play on Wares side. And a healthy ware which is should be. Did you not watch anything Ware did last offseason and tC and the start of the yr? Obviously from your post you didnt. Ware had 6 sacks playing with 1 arm. well he had 2 sacks playing with 1 arm. And 4 sacks and a int playing with 2 in 2 games playing with 2 arms

Again, where are you getting your 4 sacks? He had zero against the Giants. And what makes you believe there won't be injuries in 2014?

 

[Frosty]

Really. I can't believe so many people want him cut.

For me its not so much I want him cut because of his "lack of production" its because
1 we need cap space (and yes I know they will find a way) restructuring is not a solution its bad business
2 for too long we have been playing old over the hill players that WERE great... this is a what have u done for me lately league.
3 we have to move on from that group of core players from 05-10. They are getting old and proven losers on this team. (And yes that includes romo austin witten)(and no that doesnt nessacarly include players drafted in that time)
4 what is more valuable keeping ware or bryant the happier he is the happier the team is

Exactly, Emmett Smith and Larry Allen were let go in similar fashion. Both played for other teams only to return to retire a Cowboy....I think Ware might be on the same path.

 

[LatinMind]

Again, where are you getting your 4 sacks? He had zero against the Giants. And what makes you believe there won't be injuries in 2014?

meant first 3 games. had the int vs the giants.

 

[Little Jr]

Again, where are you getting your 4 sacks? He had zero against the Giants. And what makes you believe there won't be injuries in 2014?

I believe he has 4 sack in the 1st 4 games or 5 maybe. He started of well. Just like he did in 12.

 

[ChooChoo73]

Costs more to cut him than to keep him but thanks for playing.

I believe the Cowboys would benefit cap-wise in the future to make a move with Ware now and that benefit would begin next year from what I understand. If I am wrong, my bad but it would not change my desire to eliminate his contract. I am not obsessed with keeping the garbage intact to make another attempted run as a 9-7 playoff team. The players we could add in his place while waiting for his cap weight to diminish would be young, drafted or undrafted free agent players that are very cap friendly--- such as a potential Selvie or Church. This all assumes he takes the hard line of not taking any cut.

This game is about winning the Super Bowl. Apparently, you have a plan for the Cowboys that involves keeping him and still moving the needle off of 8-8. Or do you think differently? How do you feel about Ware professing the Super Bowl to be the most important thing for him each new year? How do you feel about his delayed surgery? How do you feel about him playing without practicing? Jerry (Benefit of the doubt) Jones feels it's OK. What say you? How do you feel about him retracting his statement that he would take a cut to help the team?

Ever wonder where our depth went and do you wish it would come back? This thread is about that depth and one step of many needed to competing for super bowls. The Cowboys and many of the fans have chosen to lean on injuries as the excuse for Ware and many others. I prefer to get young, stay young and reward the hungry.

 

[ChooChoo73]

Costs more to cut him than to keep him but thanks for playing.

Do you disagree with this?
For the first time since Ware joined the Cowboys in 2005, his future with the club is somewhat in question. The Cowboys have some decisions to make regarding his $12.25 million base salary and $16 million hit on the salary cap.

If Ware is released this summer, the Cowboys could save about $7.5 million on the cap and could clear more than $12 million if they made him a post-June 1 cut.

 

[TheCount]

Yeah... I don't see how Jerry cuts DeMarcus Ware. Especially considering the only reason his contract is so ridiculous now is because of the restructures.

 

[Bluestang]

The thought of keeping Ware and *hoping* he has a bounce back season is about as ridiculous as thinking that the "War Room" process actually works in Dallas.

If we don't make a financial move on Ware, we are seriously shooting ourselves in the foot.

We can sit here and argue stats all day, but Charles Haley disproves that year after year...sadly.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I wan't him on our team. I think he could rebound. Just not at $12.25M. Take a 5m paycut and just turn them into incentives based on production, fair for all (especially Ware since he wouldn't get $7.25M in free agency, so no were close to $12.25M).

 

[Nightman]

Costs more to cut him than to keep him but thanks for playing.

That's not really true. You are talking about 2014 only. It "costs" a lot more to keep him another year with a restructure in 2015 and beyond. The 8.5m they save in a 2014 with a restructure has to paid for. Plus he has two 500k workout bonuses, one in 2014 and one in 2015.

 

[coult44]

You dont think Selvie got alot less attention because of all the havoc Hatcher was putting inside? You know Hatcher played right next to him. You know the guy who lead the team in sacks. Just a thought.

Are we honestly saying we should consider keeping Ware and his disastrous contract because of his play in the pre season. Can you please explain that logic?

 

[jterrell]

That's not really true. You are talking about 2014 only. It "costs" a lot more to keep him another year with a restructure in 2015 and beyond. The 8.5m they save in a 2014 with a restructure has to paid for. Plus he has two 500k workout bonuses, one in 2014 and one in 2015.

It is not cheaper to cut him this year for 2014 and 2015.
We've been through 2014 many times.

His cap hit in 2015 is far from certain but could easily be restructured or renegotiated down again.
He could also be released in June next year which is how you'd free up max cap space since a June option this year is unrealistic and also places the burden on 2015.

Since there really isn't a single weak side DE on the roster and the team badly needs the 9 mil from a restructure in March they will almost certainly go that route.
Then they try to draft a replacement that can take back up snaps.
If nothing falls to them in the draft they are looking at the FA market and paying well beyond rookie money.

It is illogical to assume Ware costs us some 18m cap hit when we fully know that number will be lowered one way or another.

And it is clear the cheapest way to handle 2014/15 is push money to 2016 while adding cheap rookie contracts to balance it out at the position.

 

[Nightman]

It is not cheaper to cut him this year for 2014 and 2015.
We've been through 2014 many times.

His cap hit in 2015 is far from certain but could easily be restructured or renegotiated down again.
He could also be released in June next year which is how you'd free up max cap space since a June option this year is unrealistic and also places the burden on 2015.

Since there really isn't a single weak side DE on the roster and the team badly needs the 9 mil from a restructure in March they will almost certainly go that route.
Then they try to draft a replacement that can take back up snaps.
If nothing falls to them in the draft they are looking at the FA market and paying well beyond rookie money.

It is illogical to assume Ware costs us some 18m cap hit when we fully know that number will be lowered one way or another.

And it is clear the cheapest way to handle 2014/15 is push money to 2016 while adding cheap rookie contracts to balance it out at the position.

You still have to account for all that money, no matter how you spin it. If they cut him in March, it's a one time cap hit of 8.5m.

If they keep him then they are adding another 12.75m to the already in place 8.5m in dead money. That is not cheaper.