Tweets w/ Rowan on Ware

[gmoney112]

You can't just tear up the old contract and start over.

Uh, yeah you can.

If both parties are in agreement you can absolutely null a contract. I'm not sure how the NFL works but I'd be willing to bet negotiating a new contract renders the old one null and void following some mandatory procedure or filing or something.

Maybe you meant Dallas couldn't do it just on their behalf, in which case if Ware refuses to negotiate a new contract he's more than likely going to be hitting the street and may make 50% of his current base salary, so it'd be in his best interest to negotiate.

And what bkight said, regardless we're still responsible for the 8.5m.

 

[Redball Express]

I just don't see Jerry releasing Ware, not considering how many times he mentions that he overruled Parcells and drafted Ware.................its like Jerry's only war room victory.....LOL

Jerrah needs to worry less about how Ware feels and just do the job the GM needs to do.

No team in the Milky Way pays that kind of money to a player with that kind of dropping production.

But since this Franchise appears more and more every day to be his own personal play toy..

and not the NFL team we all strive for..

I couldn't tell you what is happening.

 

[ChooChoo73]

Because hatcher collapsed the middle. Hatcher played the guard Tackle Gap. That tackle regularly had to check inside before outside leaving selvie with the Te alot. Thats why its called the strong side. Ill take Selvie on a TE 10 out of 10 times. But teams started to wash hatcher inside and what happend to Selvie then? He disappeared because he was 1 on 1 with a tackle. Dont make Selvie out to be a sack specialist. Marinelli put him into some good spots. But when teams adjusted Selvie was nowhere to be found.

Great post/reply. I appreciate your take. I would never call him a sack specialist..believe me. Where I am coming from is I really want this team to stop worrying about the superstars and try to build the team with a balance of hungry young players and Selvie is one. He reminds me a little of Greg Ellis. The superstars will come--- they always do but what we have had behind them is garbage.

You posted the summary of Talkin Cowboys from yesterday and it makes my point. One of them was so afraid to lose Ware and stated that there aren't any Ware's in the draft that team's are afraid of and he was right. However, there are lots of Church's, Selvie's, Frederick's, Scandrick's etc. Fans and media live with the fear of losing players and don't often focus on what we can add. There is not 1 player other than if you think you have a good QB that I would fear losing if that team was .500 three straight years. Ware at his best is not more valuable to a team with super bowl aspirations than 3 Church's.

I'm ready to go after a super bowl ring and not the yearly 9-7 division crown/barely playoff scenario. That may not be the stated goal, but the actions of this team tell me that is where they are headed as each off season unfolds.

 

[jterrell]

Uh, yeah you can.

If both parties are in agreement you can absolutely null a contract. I'm not sure how the NFL works but I'd be willing to bet negotiating a new contract renders the old one null and void following some mandatory procedure or filing or something.

Maybe you meant Dallas couldn't do it just on their behalf, in which case if Ware refuses to negotiate a new contract he's more than likely going to be hitting the street and may make 50% of his current base salary, so it'd be in his best interest to negotiate.

And what bkight said, regardless we're still responsible for the 8.5m.

not only can you do it, but they did it last year with Doug Free.
the team still owes pre-paid bonuses money but any aspect of the contract can be changed.

 

[LatinMind]

Jerrah needs to worry less about how Ware feels and just do the job the GM needs to do.

No team in the Milky Way pays that kind of money to a player with that kind of dropping production.

But since this Franchise appears more and more every day to be his own personal play toy..

and not the NFL team we all strive for..

I couldn't tell you what is happening.

Maybe Jerry along with the coaches dont want to let Ware walk? Obviously they want to lower his cap hit. Ware is in the same conversations as Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor. Michael Strahan. You dont just go and cut this guy like he's chopped liver. You try to do everything you can to work it out and if all fails then you try to trade him or cut him. But thats all a very lasr resort.

 

[conner01]

Really. I can't believe so many people want him cut.

i think a pay reduction can be worked out. if you cut him you have to replace him as well as two dt's. thats a tall order in one off season. the perfect scenario is negotiate a reasonable pay cut then restructure to clear even more space without pushing so much forward. the you still have the player, are paying him les and still not moving so much forward that you could'nt cut him next year or the next

 

[birdwells1]

Yeah he looked junior college material against Ware in TC. I thought was going to kill it this yr and he started out that way but that elbow injury killed him. This surgery should cure this and shouldnt take away any time from his offseason

Ware may just have Smiths number, someone said before that you can't just go by practices because players know other players tendencies from playing against him everyday. Let's just say that it didn't translate into him having a monster season but it did for Smith.

 

[birdwells1]

Maybe Jerry along with the coaches dont want to let Ware walk? Obviously they want to lower his cap hit. Ware is in the same conversations as Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor. Michael Strahan. You dont just go and cut this guy like he's chopped liver. You try to do everything you can to work it out and if all fails then you try to trade him or cut him. But thats all a very lasr resort.

Emmett Smith, Payton Manning, and Jerry Rice were cut it happens to the best of them.

 

[LatinMind]

Ware may just have Smiths number, someone said before that you can't just go by practices because players know other players tendencies from playing against him everyday. Let's just say that it didn't translate into him having a monster season but it did for Smith.

Think that was more to do with injuries. Instead of him just not being the same player he's been.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Emmett Smith, Payton Manning, and Jerry Rice were cut it happens to the best of them.

You know, I've been struggling to think of a historical precedent for cutting Ware and I have to say that Rice is probably the closest. Peyton obviously there was a whole lot that went into that that's nowhere close to Ware's situation and Emmitt I hate to say was washed up for years. Rice was still a decent player and probably from a fan/organization standpoint the toughest cut in NFL history. But, even with the similarities, there's differences as well. I still say Ware would be an unprecedented cut in NFL history, which is why I don't expect it to happen.

 

[Corso]

Great post/reply. I appreciate your take. I would never call him a sack specialist..believe me. Where I am coming from is I really want this team to stop worrying about the superstars and try to build the team with a balance of hungry young players and Selvie is one. He reminds me a little of Greg Ellis. The superstars will come--- they always do but what we have had behind them is garbage.

You posted the summary of Talkin Cowboys from yesterday and it makes my point. One of them was so afraid to lose Ware and stated that there aren't any Ware's in the draft that team's are afraid of and he was right. However, there are lots of Church's, Selvie's, Frederick's, Scandrick's etc. Fans and media live with the fear of losing players and don't often focus on what we can add. There is not 1 player other than if you think you have a good QB that I would fear losing if that team was .500 three straight years. Ware at his best is not more valuable to a team with super bowl aspirations than 3 Church's.

I'm ready to go after a super bowl ring and not the yearly 9-7 division crown/barely playoff scenario. That may not be the stated goal, but the actions of this team tell me that is where they are headed as each off season unfolds.

I agree with everything you have to say- except lumping in Frederick with the rest of those players.
A great Center is very important to all teams and he's already shown AS A ROOKIE that he has what it takes to be a great.
Not even Tyron can say that when he was a rookie. We were, for the most part, hopeful because we saw his talent and mindset, but Frederick...
Only injury can hold this guy back.

You don't lump him in with Selvie, or Scandrick or even Church.
That's already a disservice.

 

[CyberB0b]

You know, I've been struggling to think of a historical precedent for cutting Ware and I have to say that Rice is probably the closest. Peyton obviously there was a whole lot that went into that that's nowhere close to Ware's situation and Emmitt I hate to say was washed up for years. Rice was still a decent player and probably from a fan/organization standpoint the toughest cut in NFL history. But, even with the similarities, there's differences as well. I still say Ware would be an unprecedented cut in NFL history, which is why I don't expect it to happen.

You mean cutting a guy who's production has fallen off and has been injured for 2+ years would be unprecedented? I don't think so. He's clearly on the downward part of the bell curve.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

You mean cutting a guy who's production has fallen off and has been injured for 2+ years would be unprecedented? I don't think so. He's clearly on the downward part of the bell curve.

If there's so much precedent, when was the last time in NFL history that a team cut a future HOFer at age 31 after one "bad" season?

 

[Corso]

If there's so much precedent, when was the last time in NFL history that a team cut a future HOFer at age 31 after one "bad" season?

Both you and CyberB0b- good point & counterpoint.
I'm enjoying this...

 

[LatinMind]

You mean cutting a guy who's production has fallen off and has been injured for 2+ years would be unprecedented? I don't think so. He's clearly on the downward part of the bell curve.

they thought the same thing about reggie white 2 or 3 times in his career, had 16 sacks at 37 yrs old

 

[Bullflop]

I'm thinking Ware will eventually accept a pay cut to stay in Dallas. Let's bear in mind that right now, his agent is playing a role in seeing to it that Ware doesn't sell himself too cheaply. Ware has been a reasonable-minded player in the past and I think he'll agree to do what's fair for both sides. He's been well taken care of in the past.

 

[Corso]

they thought the same thing about reggie white 2 or 3 times in his career, had 16 sacks at 37 yrs old

Oooh... Kapow!

 

[Corso]

I'm thinking Ware will eventually accept a pay cut to stay in Dallas. Let's bear in mind that right now, his agent is playing a role in seeing to it that Ware doesn't sell himself too cheaply. Ware has been a reasonable-minded player in the past and I think he'll agree to do what's fair for both sides. He's been well taken care of in the past.

Vee shall zee.

 

[Redball Express]

Restructuring Ware would easily be one of the worst moves the team could make.

You either beg for the pay cut or you cut him. If he's done, he's done. You cut him. If he's not done then you ask him to take a pay cut for 2014 and 2015 and possibly guarantee the 2015 season.

Cut his base salaries in half and Dallas can keep the guy and he gets 2 years of good earnings. The deal needs to work for Ware.

I just don't see Ware here.

No way they want to back load his deal to where if it blows up..

They eat a poison pill with the possibility of large cap hits.

I think this team has had its run and new players need to be inserted quickly at whatever the cost.

We need a different mindset as a team.

This one seems to always be compared to the 90s teams..

which they certainly are not.

They have yet to establish any identity except that they lose games when they must win them.

That's not a good identity..

How and who is going to lead right now?

Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Frozen700]

Really. I can't believe so many people want him cut.

What's there to believe?

Dude has clearly lost a big step. He's an average Joe out there, just carrying around a Hall Of Fame name.....that's it....he's a meat suit at this point.