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Two main reasons why Dallas needs to secure Dak long term

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by J12B, Aug 3, 2020.

  1. hittheskids

    hittheskids Well-Known Member

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    That is some seriously flawed logic. Always take the title. The fact you hate Dak so much you would pass on a Lombardi trophy tells me you are not a cowboys fan.
     
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  2. Risen Star

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    Prescott should opt out of the season. I worry about his safety.
     
  3. plasticman

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    Green Bay had no busineas being there? I beleive they did and for proof I cite the fact that they were there.

    So not only must Dak score on every drive, he must also play defense. You also beleive that the 28 yards difference in penalties was a key factor. Are you suggesting that Dak was also responsible for that?

    Dak threw a horrible INT as the rookie was matched opposite one of the best QB's in the league, a future Hall of Famer. ....who also threw an INT on the very next drive

    The Cowboy first drive ended in a field goal. The Cowboys had to punt on the 2nd drive when a 22 yars completion was negated by unsportsmanlike conduct against Brice Butler.

    The Packers answered both drives with TD's. Dak was to blame for this?

    Finally, my summary is correct, but misleading? That is an obvious contradiction. Facts cannot be misleading while simultaneously leading to truth.

    And the truth was, the game was tied with 35 seconds left, Rodgers completed a miracle pass on 3rd and 20, the Packers then won the game in its final seconds with a 51 yard field goal.

    To balance the scales, you can't even come close to claiming that a rookie QB playing his first playoff game while passing for over 300 yards for 3TD's with a 103.1 passer rating didn't have the 3rd best playoff performances for a rookie in NFL history. That would be misleading.
     
  4. FVSTONE

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    Dak was a 4th rd pick who has played like a 4th rd pick. The past 3 yrs he has struggled against teams with winning records. He built up his stats last season against losing teams and against teams that had leads on us. Personally, I think we've seen the ceiling on Dak and that JJ & Co need to spend next yr's 1st rd pick on a QB. Hell, if Green Bay can spend their 1st on a QB with Rodgers still guiding the team then the Boys should do the same thing to get a QB with HUGE SHOULDERS.
     
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  5. gjkoeppen

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    There is a third possibility and that is the Cowboys make the playoffs but don't win the Super Bowl.
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  6. gjkoeppen

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    First things first. All most all football people have said that Prescott has preformed well above his 4th round drafting. In the off season prior to free agency starting Prescott was rated as the #1 free agent. A subpar digressing player doesn't get ranked as the #1 free agent. Next if you can state as fact not opinion that injuries, the play of the defense and special teams, the Cowboys receiving corp as a unit led the league in drops or 6 subpar games by Elliott with less than 60 yards rushing, one only 35 yards had no affect on the Cowboys losing games? You're like all of the Prescott haters that say when the Cowboys win it's a team sport and Prescott is just part of the team but when they lose then it's no longer a team sport and Prescott is only blamed.

    The packers did use their #1 pick on a QB and yes Rodgers has been a top QB but he is also going into his 17 season so to think he'll be there for another 2 or 3 years isn't a sure thing and drafting a good QB was a smart thing to do. So you're equating a QB coming off his rookie contract to a QB that's been in the league FOUR times longer as justification for spending at least a #1 pick on a QB next season.
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  7. McKDaddy

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    Ok, not sure why you are so upset by me saying we should have thrashed the Packers. maybe the Packers were somewhat legit but their pass defense was a joke (ranked 31st) & their run game was ranked 20th. Not exactly the formula for a playoff run. Meaning they were largely dependent on their HOF QB and very beatable as Atlanta proved the next week.

    The post I responded to was you espousing all Dak's wonderful stats about come from behind performances. I simply took your statement about the GB playoff game comeback & was making the point that Dak played the whole game and was just as much a part of being behind as he was a part of making the comeback. Balancing the scales.

    Yes, Dak's interception on a bubble screen to Beasley deep in GB territory was horrible for a multitude of reasons. GB had a 15 pt lead that could have been cut to 7 or 8. Occurred on 2nd & 1. The defender never disguised that he was anticipating the play. The team had gotten in gear on both sides of the ball midway thru the 2nd qtr. But they couldn't afford any more mistakes. They needed to keep pressure on GB.

    Yes, Heath bailed Dak out by intercepting AR (on a 3rd & 8) but they had burned another 5 minutes by that point. (Again, it was a three point difference)

    Couldn't agree with you more about the 2nd possession. Butler's penalty took us from GB territory back onto our side of the field & put us behind the chains. So yes, I contend that 28 yards difference in penalties played a large factor in a 3 point loss when you lead or were even in most statistical categories.

    The Cowboy defense held a HOF QB to less yards than a rookie QB. Forced 3 punts & created an interception. GB forced 2 punts & created an interception. On top of that it took 2 miracles & a no call by the refs to win the game. So, no I can't blame it all on the defense. I can't blame Zeke or Dez who both had big days. Can't blame the Offensive Line as they only gave up two sacks & paved the run game. I'm not blaming anyone, it was a team loss. It was a good performance by a rookie QB but the difference in the game lies in the plays that weren't made. He shares in those.
     
  8. plasticman

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    I'm not angry, of course not. In any good debate there will be a level of intensity, but directed towards the subject matter and not the individual, as in this case.

    And it's always a matter of perception. For example, as great as Dak played during his rookie season, he was still a rookie. People forget that. They completely forget that. Even if they don't, they refuse to grasp the significance of that fact.

    As a Cowboy fan, have you ever experienced a season in which your quarterback is a rookie before the 2016 season? I have, but I'm going to go even further. When was the last time that the starting quarterback for the Cowboys in game #1 was a rookie?

    How many rookie quarterbacks in history started every game? How many rookie QB's started alongside a rookie RB?

    The Green Bay Packers had no business being in that game?

    If you look at the circumstances before the start of the season when they were coming off a 4-12 season with the 31st ranked offense in scoring, a mediocre defense ranked 16th, the backup QB goes down for the season, then the starting QB goes down for the season, now the Cowboys must use their 3rd team QB, a rookie 4th round draft pick.......but it was the Green Bay Packers who had no business being in the playoffs?

    After setting a rookie season record for passer rating and completion percentage, Dak did what only 19 other rookies in NFL history did. He started the team/s first playoff game his rookie season.......and set another record.

    Dak Prescott set a new rookie record for best passer rating in the first playoff start for a rookie during his rookie season, at 103.2, ten points higher than 2nd place Russel Wilson, 25 points better than 4th place Dan Marino, 45 points better than 10th place Andrew Luck and 52 points better than Andy Dalton.......and the Cowboys still lost. The Cowboys defense was okay but the 5th place ranking had a lot to do with the Cowboy offense playing keep away. With 35 seconds left in the game and both sides have scored 31 points. That isn't a Cowboys offensive issue.
     
  9. DakPresgoat

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    Played like a 4th round pick? Please tell me you’re joking. I mean seriously. Please tell me you’re joking. Dak plays better than like 60% of first round QB’s drafted. At a minimum. Arguably higher.

    he has without a doubt, played better than the #1 pick taken in the same draft as him, and for the sake of not arguing, played on par with the #2 pick that was taken in the same draft class as Dak.

    Do I need to mention the 3rd QB taken in the first round of Dak’s draft class? And how he has fared?
     
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  10. iceberg

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    he should get into law and politics.

    wait, he already has.
     
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  11. iceberg

    iceberg rock music matters Zone Supporter

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    a lot of what dak did was good for any rookie qb that year. but i noticed about half way through the season his INT streak was great but mostly due to the ball simply bouncing away. i knew it wasn't going to always be that way.

    he's a good qb. but he's not most money in the league good. very few are and while you can say he's "good" again, that ain't great.
     
  12. FVSTONE

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    Another "WELL KNOW MEMBER" quoting EXPERTS. Last season the EXPERTS were all over this team and DAK. EXPERTS were picking the Boys to go deep into the playoffs, with some picking the Boys to winning everything! Well, let's see we went 8-8 because our QB didn't have those huge shoulders to carry this team. As for Rogers, the dude is legit he's been a super star with shoulders bigger than JJ's World. Also, remember Rogers sat for a lot of years watching and learning from from a QB who had a HALL of Fame career. Unfortunately for us, Dak didn't get to sit, watch and learn how to grow into his position. He got tossed out there and had an incredible 1st year. The sad part is since year one he hasn't grown into that LEGIT OB. Like is college, Dak doesn't have the ability to grown into our super star. I'm sorry to say but we've seen his ceiling and this is why JJ & Co need to burn next year's 1st on a QB.
     
  13. gjkoeppen

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    I find it hilarious that you equate what experts are predicting on something in the future that hasn't happened yet that has innumerable things unknown at the time that could happen that would affect what happens, with their ability to evaluate what has already happened. That kind of logic is very common for Prescott haters.
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  14. FVSTONE

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    Another "WELL KNOWN MEMBER" get's all excited about our 8-8 QB. Dak is all world in your mind, not in mine. He has had issues against above average teams the past 3 seasons. He's just not growing at the pace that we need him to grown at and I've stated JJ& Co need to burn next year's 1st on a QB, only if there is a college football season.
     
  15. FVSTONE

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    Now here is a "WELL KNOWN MEMBER" that has hit the bar a little too early today. Did my post wake you up during one of your Dak fantasy dreams??? After trying to figure out COWBOYS FORUM post of the year, I suggest you strap on your peewee Cowboys helmet "BACKWARDS" and go find a cement wall to play with.
     
  16. gjkoeppen

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    Oh wow I'm so hurt. You couldn't refute what I said. Ya attack me because you don't have an answer for your logic. I'm hurt so bad that it just made me fart.
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  17. PJTHEDOORS

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    Did Zeke and the running game struggle? Or was the offense 100% on Dak?
     
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  18. FVSTONE

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    SO DID YOU PULL YOUR OWN FINGER OR DID DAK ROLL OVER TO YOUR HOUSE?
     
  19. gjkoeppen

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    Again no answer except attacks on me. What simple little person you are.
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  20. Flamma

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    As I've stated before, I have no problem with the Cowboys doing just like you say, first round pick on a QB and ride with Dalton for maybe a year. But lets be realistic here. Most 4th round and later picks aren't even NFL QBs. Look at the crap around the league now when you eliminate the really good QBs. What are our chances at landing one of them? The question is, is it worth it to pay Dak? I like Dak at 10-15% of the cap. Not closer to 20%. As it is now teams with better QBs have the advantage. They should also take the higher cap hit.
     

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