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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

Hanlon's razor is an aphorism that recommends a way of eliminating unlikely explanations for a phenomenon (a philosophical razor).

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

The relevance of that heuristic depends on interpreting keeping things clean or dirty in terms of maliciousness. The accuracy of application depends on the subject's ability to correctly identify what is in fact adequately explained by stupidity.
 

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From 1999 to 2011, 48% of the teams that won their division made the playoffs the next season. That means that when it came to winning the division, a higher percentage of teams MISSED the playoffs the following year than the ones that made the playoffs the following year.

And typically, nearly 30% of the teams with a losing record in a season will MAKE the playoffs the following year.

That is what parity is all about.

Where the cap has worked is it has given teams an equal chance of being successful regardless of their market size. Without a cap, Green Bay could very likely NOT EXIST in this league. Their players would get gobbled up by the competition. Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre would likely have left their a long time ago. The same goes for Pittsburgh, New Orleans, etc.

In general, the good teams are good because they are...good. Not totally because of the money.

Where I think the money plays a larger factor and probably represents the issues that the smaller market teams have is with coaching. I think the head coach is the 2nd most important position in the entire NFL (behind QB). We have seen with these smaller market franchises that they are just unwilling to fork over the dough for a big name coach when they have a vacancy open. Instead, what they tend to do is find a young coach on the cheap and then if that coach works out, then they'll start paying him bigger money. But, it makes you wonder if they are helping that HC out with ponying up money for good assistant coaches, facilities, etc. And it's really more 'penny smart, pound foolish' because a great coaching staff will win games and will completely turnaround the popularity of the organization's brand and generate far more revenue that the initial costs.

I think most of the game is legitimate. I have some skepticism over the referees because of Tim Donaghy and your head of officiating has NEVER OFFICIATED A GAME. It seems when it comes to the refs, that it is a rinky-dink operation and it wouldn't surprise me if a referee was on the take given how much money goes into gambling in the NFL. It wouldn't surprise me if some referees just hated certain teams or certain players and were going to make it hard for them. I don't have any proof, but it just would not surprise me since I don't see the league, the refs or the NFLPA having anything in place to put that in check if that were to happen.




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The relevance of that heuristic depends on interpreting keeping things clean or dirty in terms of maliciousness. The accuracy of application depends on the subject's ability to correctly identify what is in fact adequately explained by stupidity.

No, I think your initial statement was on point, it just made me think of Hanlon's razor. I honestly don't think anyone in the NFL is stupid; greedy, money-hungry, tone-deaf, hypocrites, is more likely.

Honestly Jobber; in the immortal words of Forrest Gump "I am not a smart man."
 

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Is the NFL manipulating things, only as so far as other factors throw in their manipulations. For example, the NFL wants a league of winners to draw in people. Some teams are NOT designed to go for the SB. If they win, great, it not, its not their goal. Making money is their goal. Thats the bottom line on that. So the league cant get a winner out of everyone regardless what they try. Thats life.

The NFL has to cater to a ton of factors, workers, players, talent pool, stadiums, its brand, owners, union, rules, future, media and has to tip toe a lot. If the NFL did nto WANT to maniuplate anything, the league of parity would be over, but its not. Its deal is try to make a winner of everyone, yet as i said, not everyone wants to be a winner. They also manipulated rules to get more touch downs to get more fans, but this leads to other factors blinking in their face. Remember, everyone is for equality and the team, until they bring up their contract, than they can care less. (not all players). This is backed by the fact, WR's will tell the QB they get the touchdowns, Qbs tell the team they are the generals, the offensive line says they protect everyone, and the runners tell everyone else they work hard to, but the league doesnt play everyone equal. Than the league says, well, lets try to make everyone as equal as we can, than you have teams winning when people are screaming "how does a 8-8 team win the division and go to the playoffs while my 10-6 team is sitting home"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is so much more to discuss, but i dnt think to many want to get into it or argue over it. At least from my stand point, the league will put the league first, and the rest second as best they can.
 

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Do you think most of the NFL fans believe the game is legitimate in regard to not being manipulated for a specific outcome? Meaning not outright cheating by the league, but a more laissez-faire look the other way while the more powerful owners use intimidation to take advantage of other franchises through scheduling (NY Giants and Dallas this season with Hardy out) and punishment of players.

Do you believe the league is straight up and not manipulating the outcome in some fashion. Again not saying outright cheating, but the type of deal making we see in politics of a scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

I'd be interested to know if the cap really leveled the playing field as intended. It seems the strong stay strong and the weak continue their floundering, for the most part.

I think you need to separate the concepts of conspiracy and bias.

Conspiracy would be a widespread plot by many people.

Bias can be something that is done by just 1 person or a small group of people.

I don't believe there is a big conspiracy in the NFL; however, I definitely believe that there is bias. The NFL offices are in NYC and many of their employees are from that area and/or have to live in that area. The lady that did the Hardy investigation is a huge Giants fan. There is no way for a person to 100% put aside their biases. Even Supreme Court justices can't do it. Many of the refs and their boss are from the Northeast.

Goodell is close friends with Kraft and Mara. That seems obvious. The salary cap penalty for the Cowboys and Commanders was manipulated with heavy input from Mara.
 

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The relevance of that heuristic depends on interpreting keeping things clean or dirty in terms of maliciousness. The accuracy of application depends on the subject's ability to correctly identify what is in fact adequately explained by stupidity.

Yeah what he said! :)
 

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Do you think most of the NFL fans believe the game is legitimate in regard to not being manipulated for a specific outcome? Meaning not outright cheating by the league, but a more laissez-faire look the other way while the more powerful owners use intimidation to take advantage of other franchises through scheduling (NY Giants and Dallas this season with Hardy out) and punishment of players.

Do you believe the league is straight up and not manipulating the outcome in some fashion. Again not saying outright cheating, but the type of deal making we see in politics of a scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

I'd be interested to know if the cap really leveled the playing field as intended. It seems the strong stay strong and the weak continue their floundering, for the most part.

Corruption is as normal as breathing.

I do not doubt for one second that there are back handed and under the table deals in professional sports.
 

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I think you need to separate the concepts of conspiracy and bias.

Conspiracy would be a widespread plot by many people.

Bias can be something that is done by just 1 person or a small group of people.

I don't believe there is a big conspiracy in the NFL; however, I definitely believe that there is bias. The NFL offices are in NYC and many of their employees are from that area and/or have to live in that area. The lady that did the Hardy investigation is a huge Giants fan. There is no way for a person to 100% put aside their biases. Even Supreme Court justices can't do it. Many of the refs and their boss are from the Northeast.

Goodell is close friends with Kraft and Mara. That seems obvious. The salary cap penalty for the Cowboys and Commanders was manipulated with heavy input from Mara.

Brilliant response.
 

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I don't believe the NFL is manipulating situations to favor one team over another.
 

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I don't believe the NFL is manipulating situations to favor one team over another.

correct , the NFL is the 32 owners so if 31 other owners wanted to pick on the cowboys I guess they could lol, but I dont think that would happen.

There could be reasons to make certain games go a certain way, not in favor of a team in particular, but in regards to all the money bet on certain games. And vague rules allow calls to go either way.

The picking up flag call in dallas detroit game was a odd one. It was clearly pass interference so dont know why they picked it up.
and there are many other questionable calls.
 

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correct , the NFL is the 32 owners so if 31 other owners wanted to pick on the cowboys I guess they could lol, but I dont think that would happen.

There could be reasons to make certain games go a certain way, not in favor of a team in particular, but in regards to all the money bet on certain games. And vague rules allow calls to go either way.

The picking up flag call in dallas detroit game was a odd one. It was clearly pass interference so dont know why they picked it up.
and there are many other questionable calls.

I agree calls are questionable. But I don't assign a sinister motive to them. As I've said before, I'm a baseball umpire. I take grief from coaches who dispute my calls. Sometimes, I don't like the coach. But when I'm making a call I'm not thinking "I'll make the wrong call to screw this coach I don't like".

I'm too busy trying to make the correct call to think about that. And I think most refs are like that too.

I was debating another poster here about this very issue. He said that umps and refs have natural biases and allow them to affect their decisions. I then asked him "Are you saying that as a ref, you have made a call against a team/coach just because you didn't like that team/coach"?

He never answered because he knew ...
1.) That would have been a very telling statement for a ref to make and
2.) That just doesn't happen, for the most part.

Now, there are times when I look back, and if I lacked integrity, wished I could have made a call against a coach that acted like a jerk throughout the game. But when you're involved in the game, you really have no time to think about stuff like that.
 

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I don't believe the NFL is manipulating situations to favor one team over another.

ok but you have to admit they sure made it easier for all teams to compete regardless if the teams can make the nfl better.
 

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The playing field is NOT level.
They do NOT.
How is the playing field not level? What advantages do certain teams have that others don't?

Every team has the exact same amount of money they are allowed to spend on players. Just because some teams spend more wisely than others doesn't mean parity isn't accomplishing what it sets out to accomplish.
 
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