CFZ Tyler Smith the latest fork in the eye of the so-called draft experts

erod

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Picking on Bob Sturm here, but the list is endless.

The nerdy statistical and analytical arguments they bring - and with such intensity and condescension - would be insulting if it wasn't so tragically and comically pathetic. Doesn't matter how many times they're wrong, the next go-round, they're equally as certain and arrogant about their opinions they gift to us as charity from heaven itself.

Sturm rambled to no end about what a ridiculously stupid pick Tyler Smith was. Just drafted way too high, and a horribly flawed prospect in the early rounds to be even considered anywhere near a first-round pick. So many of his know-it-all ilk pounded the pulpits with the same drivel before a single ball was snapped.

Fast forward about 30 days, and now Tyler Smith looks like the best pick in the 2022 draft. Dude has played at an elite level from his first snap as a rookie against good pass rushers. Absolutely dominating people at times, and surprising Jason Peters with his knowledge, even correcting him at times.

Terrance Steele was going to be a disaster in August. Remember? Losing Gregory was really going to hurt, as was Cooper and Wilson.

Rewind to the 2021 draft when, according to Sturm's calculations, Micah Parsons was an unfortunate second prize, he told us, for a Cowboys team needing a OT or CB much worse. That doozy looks like "Dewey Defeats Truman" times a million now, eh?

This is the same Sturm who lambasts the Dak doubters as backwoods football imbeciles, as he giggly recites his bible of statistics ad nauseum. Meanwhile, again and again when the games really matter, Dak breaks windows and sets off fire alarms as he clangs passes off everything but receivers hands downfield. Yeah, he's not quite as vocal about Dak these days if you haven't noticed.

Again, he's far from alone, and I'm picking on Sturm because of his locale.

The mighty football expert world is dripping with these contrarians with slide rules, trying to reduce the most complicated team sport on the planet into pocket-protector analytics, as if fantasy football really is football. It is to them.

Go back and watch draft shows from 5 years ago and bring some popcorn and a mood to laugh. It's high comedy, especially with the vitriol and absolute certainty brought into these conversations over guys that prove to be everything but what was said, better and worse.

Mike Mayock actually parlayed his "expertivity" into a gig with Mark Davis' Raiders, and lo and behold, he's proving what a know-nothing talent evaluator he was all along. Almost all of their top picks since he's been there are either gone or are on their way out the door.

Of course, I'm just having some fun here, and I don't know who's going to hit or not either. It's time everyone stopped quoting and paying attention to these "O-fers", and just let time and observation be the judge.

Will McClay has the track record none of these professional guessers do. Trust those very few elite talent evaluators like him, even if Bob Sturm tells you otherwise.

And if you don't believe me, just ask Travis Frederick.
 

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We have gotten fortunate the several years that “our guy” disappears a pick or three before we are up and we have to just that the BPA on our board. We got Fredbeard, Martin, and Parsons that way.
 

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Almost got a like until you switched topics and worked in your Dak bashing.

Mayock also was the only one pimping Demarcus Ware as being better than Merrimen.
 

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Certain positions get over drafted. QB and OL to name a couple. I do seem to remember Tyler was a concensus late first round pick, with some having him mid first. The only real knocks on him were penalties and level of competition. The bottom line though is when in doubt, what does his tape and your eyes tell you?
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Tyler Smith was an interesting prospect. I didn't love the pick or hate the pick, I just figured he absolutely was not a day 1 starter at tackle. The crow tastes good.

Even Jerry himself noted that when Tyler was drafted he and the FO believed that he'd be the best OL in the draft, but you wouldn't see it for 2-3 years.
 

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I was on board with this pick; he was my favorite OL prospect for the 1st round.

xwalker put me on him, and from there I was convinced.

I saw PFF has Tyler Smith underrated. I wonder if they're just stupid or trying to motivate him.

But he's been great so far, especially in the run game.
 

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I was on board with this pick; he was my favorite OL prospect for the 1st round.

xwalker put me on him, and from there I was convinced.

I saw PFF has Tyler Smith underrated. I wonder if they're just stupid or trying to motivate him.

But he's been great so far, especially in the run game.


This, when I heard he was a mauler I was won over.
 

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He's turned out to be pretty decent so far. Plenty of upside. That said, there are some really good pass rushing teams on the schedule. Lets see how he does against the Rams and Eagles. They have a big boy pass rush. As Parcells used to say, "Don't eat the cheese".
 

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It wasn’t like Smith was some completely out of left field pick. He was showing up in the first round of a lot of mock drafts, especially near the end. Pete Prisco was one of the few media types who got it right because he knew the NFL liked Smith more than the draft media. You would think some of these media draftniks, knowing that the NFL liked him, would have gone back to take another look at Smith to see what they were missing but they didn’t. Maybe these media scouts need to be better at their jobs.
 

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It wasn’t like Smith was some completely out of left field pick. He was showing up in the first round of a lot of mock drafts, especially near the end. Pete Prisco was one of the few media types who got it right because he knew the NFL liked Smith more than the draft media. You would think some of these media draftniks, knowing that the NFL liked him, would have gone back to take another look at Smith to see what they were missing but they didn’t. Maybe these media scouts need to be better at their jobs.
Yep, which was my whole point.
 

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Picking on Bob Sturm here, but the list is endless.

The nerdy statistical and analytical arguments they bring - and with such intensity and condescension - would be insulting if it wasn't so tragically and comically pathetic. Doesn't matter how many times they're wrong, the next go-round, they're equally as certain and arrogant about their opinions they gift to us as charity from heaven itself.

Sturm rambled to no end about what a ridiculously stupid pick Tyler Smith was. Just drafted way too high, and a horribly flawed prospect in the early rounds to be even considered anywhere near a first-round pick. So many of his know-it-all ilk pounded the pulpits with the same drivel before a single ball was snapped.

Fast forward about 30 days, and now Tyler Smith looks like the best pick in the 2022 draft. Dude has played at an elite level from his first snap as a rookie against good pass rushers. Absolutely dominating people at times, and surprising Jason Peters with his knowledge, even correcting him at times.

Terrance Steele was going to be a disaster in August. Remember? Losing Gregory was really going to hurt, as was Cooper and Wilson.

Rewind to the 2021 draft when, according to Sturm's calculations, Micah Parsons was an unfortunate second prize, he told us, for a Cowboys team needing a OT or CB much worse. That doozy looks like "Dewey Defeats Truman" times a million now, eh?

This is the same Sturm who lambasts the Dak doubters as backwoods football imbeciles, as he giggly recites his bible of statistics ad nauseum. Meanwhile, again and again when the games really matter, Dak breaks windows and sets off fire alarms as he clangs passes off everything but receivers hands downfield. Yeah, he's not quite as vocal about Dak these days if you haven't noticed.

Again, he's far from alone, and I'm picking on Sturm because of his locale.

The mighty football expert world is dripping with these contrarians with slide rules, trying to reduce the most complicated team sport on the planet into pocket-protector analytics, as if fantasy football really is football. It is to them.

Go back and watch draft shows from 5 years ago and bring some popcorn and a mood to laugh. It's high comedy, especially with the vitriol and absolute certainty brought into these conversations over guys that prove to be everything but what was said, better and worse.

Mike Mayock actually parlayed his "expertivity" into a gig with Mark Davis' Raiders, and lo and behold, he's proving what a know-nothing talent evaluator he was all along. Almost all of their top picks since he's been there are either gone or are on their way out the door.

Of course, I'm just having some fun here, and I don't know who's going to hit or not either. It's time everyone stopped quoting and paying attention to these "O-fers", and just let time and observation be the judge.

Will McClay has the track record none of these professional guessers do. Trust those very few elite talent evaluators like him, even if Bob Sturm tells you otherwise.

And if you don't believe me, just ask Travis Frederick.
I would say that we are really good at drafting. Even though the folks that you mention and most people on this forum will try to convince you otherwise.
 

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This is why I get irritated when posters say stuff like “I’ll take the opinion on so and so from a paid professional over yours” or something to that effect. I’m seriously convinced,as I’ve been tracking the boys draft and online message board since early 2000s, there are some posters around here who could draft better and more consistently than most of the folks who get paid to do it. Zero doubt. Every year Kiper and Mayock end up looking like idiots as do a ton of FOs. Every year there are some posters here touting some hidden gems that turn out to be pro bowlers over Kiper or Mayocks picks.
 

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I try to make it habit to not call any player a bad pick or a bust until they are out of the league. It's a lot harder to be wrong that way.
 
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