Tyrann Mathieu compared to Jourdan Lewis

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How about Malcolm Butler? Or my fav, Joe Haden
Joe Hayden
Height: 5106
Weight: 193
40 Yrd Dash: 4.43 (4.62 combine)
20 Yrd Dash: 2.60
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.34
3-Cone Drill: 6.94


Malcolm Butler
Height: 5096
Weight: 187
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash: 2.75
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 13
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.27
3-Cone Drill: 7.20
 

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Joe Hayden
Height: 5106
Weight: 193
40 Yrd Dash: 4.43 (4.62 combine)
20 Yrd Dash: 2.60
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.34
3-Cone Drill: 6.94


Malcolm Butler
Height: 5096
Weight: 187
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash: 2.75
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 13
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.27
3-Cone Drill: 7.20

Thanks for all your work, X...
 

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Joe Hayden
Height: 5106
Weight: 193
40 Yrd Dash: 4.43 (4.62 combine)
20 Yrd Dash: 2.60
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.34
3-Cone Drill: 6.94


Malcolm Butler
Height: 5096
Weight: 187
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash: 2.75
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 13
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.27
3-Cone Drill: 7.20

Had no clue these guys were this small. Guess the myth you need to be 6 foot to play outside is just that. A myth.
 

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I wonder why we didn't take a look at Tyrann.
No one did. He was a headache in school. Teams would've welcomed his headache if he was 3 inches taller. Plus they thought his size would be a hinderence but the Cardinals have found the perfect position for him. He does it all to where he can't get exploited. Though I do remember there was a points where the Cardinals were the worst in the league guarding tight ends a few years ago.
 

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The only thing that bothers me is his shuttle time. All the comparisons have him slower, so hopefully his speed makes up for it.

Edit: and his agility. The only one more agile was Honeybadger.
 

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Janoris Jenkins
Height: 5100
Weight: 193
40 Yrd Dash: 4.46
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.55
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.13
3-Cone Drill: 6.95

Jourdan Lewis
Height: 5100
Weight: 188
40 Yrd Dash: 4.47
20 Yrd Dash: 2.51
10 Yrd Dash: 1.57
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 15
Vertical Jump: 34 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.38
3-Cone Drill: 6.88
That's a good one:thumbup:
 

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No one did. He was a headache in school. Teams would've welcomed his headache if he was 3 inches taller. Plus they thought his size would be a hinderence but the Cardinals have found the perfect position for him. He does it all to where he can't get exploited. Though I do remember there was a points where the Cardinals were the worst in the league guarding tight ends a few years ago.
He does it all except stay on the field. Size is often a question because of fear a smaller body won't hold up against the rigors of the NFL. Honey badger has proven that point.
 

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So the overwhelming evidence here in your thread shows that Lewis has all the measurables of other elite DBs.

Soon enough we'll see his intangibles in the pros :)

Thanks, X!
Can't wait to see how this goes. :flagwave:
 

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Joe Hayden
Height: 5106
Weight: 193
40 Yrd Dash: 4.43 (4.62 combine)
20 Yrd Dash: 2.60
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 35
Broad Jump: 10'05"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.34
3-Cone Drill: 6.94


Malcolm Butler
Height: 5096
Weight: 187
40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
20 Yrd Dash: 2.75
10 Yrd Dash: 1.62
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 13
Vertical Jump: 33 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'10"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.27
3-Cone Drill: 7.20

Haden is a great corner, and so is Butler. So I don't think his size will be a issue.

Appreciate it
 

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Had no clue these guys were this small. Guess the myth you need to be 6 foot to play outside is just that. A myth.

Corners are typically "small" because the taller you are, the less flexible you generally are. Corners need to have quick hips to turn and run and quick feet for quick re-routes, for planting and for driving.

Corners like Richard Sherman are anomalies. And, personally, I don't think Sherman is all that great as a pure cover corner. He gets by on physicality and has mastered the art of pushing, holding and mugging the receiver without getting caught. Furthermore, his height matches up well with the league's big receivers.

Lewis plays much like Sherman, minus the size. He sticks to his receiver well and he can "hold" without getting caught. Not to mention, he has excellent ball awareness when the ball is in the air. I think he's going to be a ball magnet given a good pass rush.

By the way, here's my grammar obsessive compulsive disorder kicking in ... the title of the thread should be Jourdan Lewis compared to Tyrann Mathieu. You compare to the standard; the standard isn't compared to that which is/one who is not the standard. :)

Oh, and it appears that Mathieu is thicker than Lewis.
 

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Can't wait to see how this goes. :flagwave:
Same, JC! We will see soon enough how much anticipation/intangibles these young rook DBs have! Gonna be one of the most fun training camps in a while (add Jaylon, Rico, and Tapper, too :)). So much to be excited about.

Doesn't mean we hit on all these guys, but we've drafted awfully well the last few years, so I'm gonna go ahead and be optimistic :flagwave:
 

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By the way, here's my grammar obsessive compulsive disorder kicking in ... the title of the thread should be Jourdan Lewis compared to Tyrann Mathieu. You compare to the standard; the standard isn't compared to that which is/one who is not the standard. :)

Oh, and it appears that Mathieu is thicker than Lewis.
I put Mathieu first intentionally. I didn't want any chance of the thread getting merged with another Lewis thread. It was painful for me to read the thread title as it is definitely backwards.
 

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If Lewis compares to Mathieu in performance in the pros, that'll be some pretty fast company he's in! His college history does appear quite encouraging in that respect, though.

Lewis will be a good player but he wasn't even close to making the kind of impact of Honey Badger in college. The instincts and talent of Mathieu at LSU was absurd, he just couldn't put down the synthetic.

Let's hope Lewis, unlike HB, can stay on the field.
 

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Lewis will be a good player but he wasn't even close to making the kind of impact of Honey Badger in college. The instincts and talent of Mathieu at LSU was absurd, he just couldn't put down the synthetic.

Let's hope Lewis, unlike HB, can stay on the field.
True, but the surrounding talent at LSU was incredible. In 2010 they had these players in the secondary:
Tyrann Mathieu
Patrick Peterson
Morris Claiborne
Eric Reid
 

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Lewis will be a good player but he wasn't even close to making the kind of impact of Honey Badger in college. The instincts and talent of Mathieu at LSU was absurd, he just couldn't put down the synthetic.

Let's hope Lewis, unlike HB, can stay on the field.

As I recall, Lewis was generally touted as possibly the best cover CB in this year's draft. That's not exactly what I'd call wanting for impact. In regards to his character factor, I'm hoping he'll be sure to use self discipline and pick girl friends who aren't looking to invite legal trouble. ;)
 
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He wasn't wanting for impact at all, Lewis was great at Michigan. But that doesn't change the fact that in terms of on-field impact Honey Badger was on a completely different level. He did whatever he wanted on (and off, unfortunately) the field.
 

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There is a glitch on nflds that causes a number to show up under the 3-cone time for the combine. You'll notice that 4.43 is below the 3-cone, not on the same line.

I always list the best times because some players only have 1 or the other and it's the most consistent for me to just use the best ones.

Selectively picking the best times from either Pro Day or Combine results is the "most consistent" thing to do, lol?

Here I was thinking using the times taken at the same event, on the same day, from the same playing surface, under the same conditions with the same timing system would be the "most consistent" thing to do.
 

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Selectively picking the best times from either Pro Day or Combine results is the "most consistent" thing to do, lol?

Here I was thinking using the times taken at the same event, on the same day, from the same playing surface, under the same conditions with the same timing system would be the "most consistent" thing to do.

This might be difficult to understand if you have not put in the work of posting the measurable(s) of hundreds of players over the years. Nevertheless, I'll try to explain.

Not all players participate at the combine.

If I post the times from 2 players that both participated at the combine and 1 or both also participated in a Pro Day, then when someone inevitably asks for the times of a 3rd player, the times become muddled.

Player 1: Combine and Pro Day (Pro Day was better).
Player 2: Combine only.
Player 3: Pro Day Only.

If I originally posted the combine times for players 1 and 2, then when someone inevitable asks to compare player 3, the situation is this:
Player 1: Combine times posted.
Player 2: Combine times posted.
Player 3: Pro Day times posted.

Now although player 1 had better times at his Pro Day, only his combine times are being compared to player 3's Pro Day times.

Players that participate at the combine have the option to participate at a Pro Day.

The combine only player had the option to participate at a Pro Day so it's not as if that player is disadvantaged by compared him to another players Pro Day numbers.

If I just use the best times, then none of this is an issue.
 

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If used correctly, Lewis can be a very effective cornerback in this league.

There is far too much emphasis placed on being "tall" and "having length".

The name of the game is coverage. Going where the other player goes.

Match them off the jam with strength, stay close and track the football in flight.

If that means OMG they might complete a fade or two, I will take it.

he will man the Slot next year with Cheto and Brown on the outside.
 
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