U.S. Court of Appeals overturns Judge Doty on 2012 collusion case

[big dog cowboy]

The most realistic remedy is to reverse the penalty and give Dallas and Washington a cap credit spread over two years.

The most LIKELY remedy is nothing more than injunctive relief, and possibly monetary damages.

Unless any remedy includes Goodell kissing Jerry's backside I'm against it.

 

[kevinhickey]

don't know that this will get the cap space back but i could. the case is really not about that, it's about the collusion and this just happens to be the best proof of it. i've always thought this case would get to court. it's just so obvious that nfl team did conspire to lower salaries and thats collusion. by punishing those who did'nt that made the case even stronger against them. in the end if the nflpa wins it may still not get back to cap space we lost but it could cost the rest of the nfl a ton of money

Tell me that Dallas would not have to pay damages if the NFL loses.

 

[kevinhickey]

There has got to be some way to make up for the bs that they did to us by taking away that cap space. Perhaps if the rest of the league is hit, the Commanders and us would be excluded from the punishment

I would hope that your right; since the league basically stated that we did not follow their collusion plans.

 

[CooterBrown]

I'd tap the brakes on the jubilation... This thing is a long ways from being a win for the Cowboys.

I agree. A win for the NFLPA does not mean the Cowboys will benefit from it. The penalty is evidence of collusion, but the Cowboys are part of the Defendant NFL, not part of the Plaintiff NFLPA. My guess is that the NFL will consider an appeal, but probably just pay some settlement to the NFLPA and the whole thing will disappear again without any mention of the salary cap penalty paid by the Cowboys and Commanders.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I agree. A win for the NFLPA does not mean the Cowboys will benefit from it. The penalty is evidence of collusion, but the Cowboys are part of the Defendant NFL, not part of the Plaintiff NFLPA. My guess is that the NFL will consider an appeal, but probably just pay some settlement to the NFLPA and the whole thing will disappear again without any mention of the salary cap penalty paid by the Cowboys and Commanders.

Yea, I think this is the most realistic scenario.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just a reminder, Dallas and Washington are part of the defendants (NFL) in the case. It's highly unlikely that the court, if it found merits in the case would impose any ruling that split the defendants, First Dallas or Washington or both would have to request to be part of the plaintiffs, and again, it's highly unlikely that Jones or Snyder is going to go Al Davis on the league's a** and join on the NFLPA's side, when the NFLPA originally agreed to both Washington and Dallas getting the penalty in the first place.

The NFLPA has maintained that they did so under duress. Mara handed the judgment down days before free agency was to begin and insisted that they accept the deal or they would hold the period up. Doty didn't care but apparently the appeals court does.

The NFL acted in horribly bad faith and I am glad that the appeals court took issue with it.

 

[Floatyworm]

Would we get a cap bump with this or is this just a moral victory? And imagine the skins with 30-40 million to blow.

You know they would find a way to blow it ALL on a guy like Hatcher

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Why is it, this board overwhelmingly believes the collusion that occurred, that ultimately cost the Cowboys and Commanders cap space was wrong, but the collusion that occurred when the owners accepted less overall money from directv, for more upfront money in order to have the upper hand in the lockout, was ok? Seems most are ok with illegal business habits as long as it doesn't effect them.

 

[starfrombirth]

Speak for yourself. I just want to punch him in the face with cactus covered gloves.

Ouch! It takes an especially cough: creative: mind to come up with that

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think it would put the rest of the league at a disadvantage to just give a bunch of extra cap space back. I don't know that you can do that.

It wouldn't be a bunch. Each season, 23 million was taken and awarded to 28 teams I believe (New Orleans, Oakland, Dallas and Washington did not get any)., so each team would lose less than a million each of the next 2 years.

 

[dbonham]

The damage was already done, and any ruling for the NFLPA will be to the detriment of Dallas and Washington like every other team. I hope the NFL has to answer for the crap they pulled during the lockout, Jerry and Dan included

 

[arglebargle]

I agree. A win for the NFLPA does not mean the Cowboys will benefit from it. The penalty is evidence of collusion, but the Cowboys are part of the Defendant NFL, not part of the Plaintiff NFLPA. My guess is that the NFL will consider an appeal, but probably just pay some settlement to the NFLPA and the whole thing will disappear again without any mention of the salary cap penalty paid by the Cowboys and Commanders.

It's a fishing expedition, looking for ammo for the next bargaining period. Given that the NFL was foolishly cavalier about their behavior, and free and easy with the evidence, it shouldn't be that difficult to dig up a couple of smoking guns for the NFLPA to put in their reserve.

I personally hope the NFL gets skewered real good.

 

[CooterBrown]

It's a fishing expedition, looking for ammo for the next bargaining period. Given that the NFL was foolishly cavalier about their behavior, and free and easy with the evidence, it shouldn't be that difficult to dig up a couple of smoking guns for the NFLPA to put in their reserve.

I personally hope the NFL gets skewered real good.

Arrogance is a litigants greatest folly.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Arrogance and obvious have different meanings.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

I think it would put the rest of the league at a disadvantage to just give a bunch of extra cap space back. I don't know that you can do that.

We were put at a huge disadvantage already. Screw the rest of the league, they essentially took a bribe of extra cap room at our expense. Take that cap room back and give it to our teams who were severely handicapped for not being shady businessmen.

 

[CooterBrown]

Arrogance and obvious have different meanings.

So do dog and cat.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Take that cap room back and give it to our teams who were severely handicapped for not being shady businessmen.

There was nothing noble about what either team did. It wasn't a case of Dan or Jerry saying this isn't fair, and I will not comply, Dan wanted Albert Hayensworth, knew he couldn't afford him, so he put a huge roster bonus in the uncapped year. But instead of converting it to a signing bonus, like every other contract he does, he allowed it to remain in that one season, thus lowering his cost in subsequent seasons. To a lesser extent, the same was done with Deangelo Hall and Miles Austin with us.

What they did was shady, just not illegal, unlike the other 28 teams that did not do some form of this.

 

[DuDa]

I don't see how a ruling against the NFL would hurt the Cowboys and Commanders. The NFLPA is pretty much saying that the NFL colluded to keep salaries at a certain level which is called wage fixing and is highly illegal. The players lost 46 million and possibly more in salaries but here is the kicker, the Dallas Cowboys did not adhere to said collusion. A judgement against the NFL would return that money back into the players pocket, through the Cowboys and Commanders. Perhaps the NFL would have to pay a hefty fine as well but I don't see how Cowboys and Commanders, who did not participate in collusion, would have to pay any sort extra fine.

 

[DuDa]

There was nothing noble about what either team did. It wasn't a case of Dan or Jerry saying this isn't fair, and I will not comply, Dan wanted Albert Hayensworth, knew he couldn't afford him, so he put a huge roster bonus in the uncapped year. But instead of converting it to a signing bonus, like every other contract he does, he allowed it to remain in that one season, thus lowering his cost in subsequent seasons. To a lesser extent, the same was done with Deangelo Hall and Miles Austin with us.

What they did was shady, just not illegal, unlike the other 28 teams that did not do some form of this.

So your saying that participating in collusion is not shady?

 

[NJ22]

Ruh Roh! Mara and company may come to really regret their little vendetta against Washington and Dallas.

This would be great. They should take commissioner Mara's cap money away. Scumbag.