Update: Dolphins agree to deal with Jeff Ireland...To leave immediately

[Chief]

What?

Well, good riddance then.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[windward]

The real question is, who is a better talent. Ireland or Garrett? The only thing Garrett has done so far is produce 30 more points on offence. TO and Witten's extra yards and TDs could be explained by Terry Glenn's absents.

It could be explained that way, but without a healthy Terry Glenn all year, who knows how much more the team could have scored?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Garrett is our next HC. I prefer keeping him.

At this point there is no real "correct" answer.

Prior to Parcells arriving the only real talent the Cowboys drafted with Ireland was Roy Williams, Andre Gurode, and Antonio Bryant. Roy Williams was a no-brainer in the draft, and Antonio Bryant was a freakin head case.

So, the only 100% hit the nail on the head was Andre Gurode. It wasn't until after Parcells arrived did the windfall of big talent really start to pour in.

As for Garrett, I'm not sold that the Cowboys couldn't have produced as many points as they did this year without Garrett. Thirty points in 16 games isn't a whole hell of a big difference.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This followed his playing career at Baylor University, where he was a kicker from 1988-91.

Anybody else find it amusing that the first hire Parcells goes after is a kicker?

 

[khiladi]

That's your story and you're sticking to it, hell, high water or facts to the contrary be damned.....I realy do respect your tenacity.

Uh, that is the fact of the matter... Ireland was around before Parcells even got here...

 

[windward]

this is no favor to Bill -- it is how good employers treat good employees. The Dolphins obviously weren't going to wait four months to hire a GM. A good employer lets people move on to better opportunities -- and that's exactly what happened here.

I wonder if people would appreciate it if they were subject to some of their own recommendations on how Jerry should keep people.

 

[Hostile]

At this point there is no real "correct" answer.

Prior to Parcells arriving the only real talent the Cowboys drafted with Ireland was Roy Williams, Andre Gurode, and Antonio Bryant. Roy Williams was a no-brainer in the draft, and Antonio Bryant was a freakin head case.

So, the only 100% hit the nail on the head was Andre Gurode. It wasn't until after Parcells arrived did the windfall of big talent really start to pour in.

As for Garrett, I'm not sold that the Cowboys couldn't have produced as many points as they did this year without Garrett. Thirty points in 16 games isn't a whole hell of a big difference.

I agree with that. Ireland wasn't going to go any higher here. He deserves this. I'm happy for him.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It could be explained that way, but without a healthy Terry Glenn all year, who knows how much more the team could have scored?

With Terry Glenn healthy, Witten and TO wouldn't have had as much production either. The plays were still ran on the offensive side of the ball. They just went to Witten and TO instead of Glenn.

Remember guys, Glenn has only had (4) 1,000 yard season in 11 years. It's not like he is an extremely dominating wide receiver. He is just a very good one. His catches were replaced by an extremely dominating WR in TO and dominating TE in Witten.

 

[Mash]

I think Jerry has always helped his employee's....and his players....

You can not ask for a better owner...


We will be ok in draft time.....I think Jerry has learned alot.....he always made the final decisions and always will......

I think we will still continue to draft like before .....miss some....hit some.......one thing tho..... hopefully we will be drafting at the bottom of the 1st rd for some time now........

 

[SDogo]

His time has passed? Do you know our record before he arrived and passed some time on the Boys? Maybe it's passed as a coach but Miami just turned their franchise around.

Many people have turned bad franchises around. It hardly makes him a god and last I checked he has exactly as many playoff wins as the guy he took over for in Dallas.

 

[superpunk]

Many people have turned bad franchises around. It hardly makes him a god and last I checked he has exactly as many playoff wins as the guy he took over for in Dallas.

Why cutoff at playoff wins? Why not playoff appearances? Why not winning seasons? Why not members of the team who made the pro-bowl?

If you're gonna set up arbitrary criterion for success evaluation, let's get ****ing nuts, hon.

 

[The Panch]

Remember guys, Glenn has only had (4) 1,000 yard season in 11 years. It's not like he is an extremely dominating wide receiver. He is just a very good one. His catches were replaced by an extremely dominating WR in TO and dominating TE in Witten.

You make it seem like Glenn's been an underachieving receiver in a full 16 same season. You look at his history in Dallas, he only had a poor 15/16 game season in '03 when "Turned the Ball Over" Carter was behind Center. He had an 1136 yard season in '05 and 1047 yards last year despite missing a game and having to share receptions with "Gimmie the ball!" Owens.

 

[Paniolo22]

It's not that big of a deal anyway. Ireland's specialty was finding players Parcells coveted. Wade covets different types of players. Hopefully they have another front man that can find FOW. (Friends of Wade)

 

[zrinkill]

I may be in the Minority here ..... but as much as I liked the late round gems we found with Ireland and Bill ......

The high draft choice flops have hurt this team as well.

J. Jones ...... Average since his first year.

Carpenter ..... shown nothing yet ..... borderline since its only his second year.

Spears ..... Average

Fasano ..... great talent but will only be worth his draft placement if our star TE gets injured.

Jacob Rogers ......Bust

Stephen Peterman ...... Bust

Bruce Thornton ..... Bust

Kevin Burnett ..... Average

Chris Canty ...... Average

Jason Hatcher ...... Average

Skyler Green ...... Bust


Thats a big list of 1st through 4th rounders ....... I do not think I will mind some fresh ideas.

 

[SDogo]

Why cutoff at playoff wins? Why not playoff appearances? Why not winning seasons? Why not members of the team who made the pro-bowl?

If you're gonna set up arbitrary criterion for success evaluation, let's get ****ing nuts, hon.

arbitrary? lmao

What's the point in playing? Is it probowl players, personal accolades or is it getting to the big show. That's all it's about and that what players and coaches are judged on. For the record, Chan Gailey had a higher winning % and appeared in the same amount of playoff games in 2 less years.

 

[TheCount]

I may be in the Minority here ..... but as much as I liked the late round gems we found with Ireland and Bill ......

The high draft choice flops have hurt this team as well.

JJ ...... average talent since his first year.

Carpenter ..... shown nothing yet ..... borderline since its only his second year.

Spears ..... average talent

Fasano ..... great talent but will only be worth his draft placement if our star TE gets injured.

Jacob Rogers ......Bust

Stephen Peterman ...... Bust

Bruce Thornton ..... Bust

Kevin Burnett ..... Average

Chris Canty ...... Average

Jason Hatcher ...... average

Skyler Green ...... Bust


Thats a big list of 1st through 4th rounders ....... I do not think I will mind some fresh ideas.

I'm curious as to how you judge players with average talent.

You may also want to look at the draft history of other teams, before you start condemning our drafts.

 

[windward]

With Terry Glenn healthy, Witten and TO wouldn't have had as much production either. The plays were still ran on the offensive side of the ball. They just went to Witten and TO instead of Glenn.

Remember guys, Glenn has only had (4) 1,000 yard season in 11 years. It's not like he is an extremely dominating wide receiver. He is just a very good one. His catches were replaced by an extremely dominating WR in TO and dominating TE in Witten.

You don't get it. He may have been able to stretch the field in ways Crayton can't. Games in which we scored 24 points we may have scored 28 or 31 or more.

It's a moot point, though unprovable either way. For you to go around making as if it's a foregone conclusion is intellectually dishonest.

 

[superpunk]

arbitrary? lmao

What's the point in playing? Is it probowl players, personal accolades or is it getting to the big show. That's all it's about and that what players and coaches are judged on. For the record, Chan Gailey had a higher winning % and appeared in the same amount of playoff games in 2 less years.

Yeah, I remember that. Then, it was great when Chan Gailey and Dave Campo left us with one of the most talented rosters in the NFL, too. Oh, that didn't happen, you say?

Yes, arbitrary. You've taken something that wasn't accomplished and decided that's the be-all end-all to evaluating the success of a head coach, thereby ignoring all the good that was accomplished. That is extremely myopic.

 

[zrinkill]

I'm curious as to how you judge players with average talent.

You may also want to look at the draft history of other teams, before you start condemning our drafts.

I haven't condemned anything .... I am one of the biggest "homers" on this board.

But some people are acting like the Organization is about to fall apart ..... I wanted to show some perspective on all the Busts that the 2 people who are no longer on the staff picked.

as far as the average players ..... would you say any of them are above average this year?

 

[TheCount]

I haven't condemned anything .... I am one of the biggest "homers" on this board.

But some people are acting like the Organization is about to fall apart ..... I wanted to show some perspective on all the Busts that the 2 people who are no longer on the staff picked.

as far as the average players ..... would you say any of them are above average this year?

I would say Canty is above average as a 3/4 DE, same with Spears (if barely), and Burnett might be pretty good if he wasn't made of glass and didn't play on just passing downs.

The 2005 draft basically made our team, outside of that, I agree that we haven't exactly been great and I certainly agree we will be fine.