Vela Blog: Possible Trade Down

Teague31

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Jerry Jones mentioned yesterday that the team has already received two offers that would have the Cowboys moving into the second round and getting an ‘08 first rounder.

To keep things in context, lets examine the Cowboys deal with Buffalo that put QB J.P. Losman in Bills colors and brought Julius Jones and Marcus Spears to Dallas.

In 2004 Dallas had the 22nd pick, just as they do today. It’s worth 780 points. Buffalo owned the 43rd overall pick (which, coincidentally, they have again this year) worth 470 points.

The difference between the two picks is 310 points, or a late 2nd rounder. Since the Bills did not have a second 2nd rounder to spare, they gave Dallas a futures pick. In trades, futures are generally promoted one round; a 2nd rounder today is worth a 1st rounder next year. A 4th now is a 3rd in ‘08, etc. Teams exact a premium of one round if they have to delay their gratification.

This tells me that both of the offers likely came from teams in the 40 to 50 range. Any team picking in the 33 through 40 range could satisfy Dallas by giving their 3rd rounder this year for the move.

Do you really want the Cowboys to move down that far? I don’t. In my opinion, that’s getting too cute. Dallas picks up an extra 08 first rounder, but severely hampers its ability to get quality this year, since there’s a chance for a second talent dropoff at just the spot the Cowboys would be landing.

In other words, not only would they miss out on Jerry’s “wow” tier that runs eight or so players deep, but they would miss out on that second level of talent as well.

That’s a wow I can’t delay. This isn’t 2004, when Dallas was in year two of the Bill Parcells rebuilding project. The team is a couple of playmakers from making a move. Moving up, something Jerry also mentioned yesterday, seems like a better option this time around.

Which gets me back to a point I raised yesterday. Which wow player could fall? On further review I think the Adrian Peterson drop I predicted weeks ago is the most likely. That said, it’s hard to see him falling too far. The Browns would be an obvious fit for him at three. The Cards could take him at five. If he passes those two, the Bills will snap him up at pick 12, guaranteed.

That’s assuming the Texans don’t take him at 10. If Jones covets Peterson, he’ll likely have to move up to Miami’s spot at nine. That’s a 570 point jump, which would cost Dallas next year’s #1 and perhaps a late pick this year.

If the Cowboys want DLs Omobi Okoye or Alan Branch, they could land them by moving up to, oh, Buffalo’s pick at 12. That would cost Dallas next year’s #1 as well.

Are you willing to play the Julius Jones trade in reverse this time?
 

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Wow....that is alot to give up and then wait for another 12 months for any gratification.
 

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I'm a fan of moving up I would rather stay where we are or move down but still stay in the late 20's and get a good player
 

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CrazyCowboy;1466686 said:
Wow....that is alot to give up and then wait for another 12 months for any gratification.

Good things come to those who wait. I don't see a player at 22 who'll get us a ring, but with 2 first rounders next year I see the ability to move around and get a cornerstone player (McFadden) next year, or a Franchise QB if Romo doesn't pan out.
 

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Why are people still going off the chart when the chart is obsolete. Some of the teams at the top would love to move back.
 

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dboyz;1466708 said:
Why are people still going off the chart when the chart is obsolete. Some of the teams at the top would love to move back.

Yeah, they'd love to move down but they want an arm and both legs to do it. They may not go by the chart but the cost of moving into the top ten hasn't changed.
 

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L-O-Jete;1466697 said:
Good things come to those who wait. I don't see a player at 22 who'll get us a ring, but with 2 first rounders next year I see the ability to move around and get a cornerstone player (McFadden) next year, or a Franchise QB if Romo doesn't pan out.

I don't have a problem with waiting, but the issue with Peterson is that he'd represent a considerable value in this draft if he slid to 10. You might have to move up several more slots next year to get a shot at McFadden, and that would be very expensive, even with an extra 1st.
 

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vela also had this

Uh Oh!
By Rafael Vela 45 Comments
Denver is contemplating trading out of the 21st spot. Does this mean a team is trying to leapfrog Dallas and take a player the Cowboys might be targeting?

I’ve written before that several teams immediately behind the Cowboys are looking for cornerback and safety help. Keep an eye on the Broncos.

The same story says the Broncos offered 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds picks this year plus an ‘08 first rounder for Detroit’s #2 overall pick, contingent on Calvin Johnson being available. That’s about 2,000 points worth of picks, which equals the third overall spot.

If I’m Detroit and Johnson is available, I make this trade. You would have five picks between the 21st and 86th spots plus two #1s next year.

– Yesterday I mentioned in thread that Arizona could be a candidate for a 1st or 2nd round running back, either taking Adrian Peterson in the first or perhaps talking to Dallas or other teams about a veteran running back in the early 2nd.

Today comes confirmation that Arizona has Peterson on its short list — from none other than Peterson himself.

If a player Dallas likes, like Brandon Meriweather, Anthony Spencer, Ben Grubbs or Justin Blalock is sitting on the board at Arizona’s 36th pick, and the Cards have taken somebody besides Peterson at pick five, I’ll bet the Cowboys and Cards talk.



I am worried that if denver wants to move out of 21, philly may jump up and steal a player we want again, like they did in 04 when they stole andrews from us.

I would think the eagles have to love anthony spencer and they have shown they will trade and go get what they want, so I am worried that the eagles may move up ahead of us to get spencer.
 

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IT's not a bad move to move down on draft day...as long as the deal isn't made until you are on the clock.

If #22 comes up and the players you had your sights on are gone, there could be a quality player there that you just don't really want or need that high, but someone else has aimed for. Then I think it makes perfect sense to move down and out of round 1 for extra picks and a 1 next year.

It's not like you do it with your favorite WR, CB, or pass rusher on the board. But at #22, while there could be good players, it is very possible to NOT have anyone you were hoping for.

That's a very different scenerio than when Manboobs let all the Top RB's in the draft sit there, needing a RB, and still traded down.
 

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I think a very good player can slip down to us at 22.

While I want Spencer, I'd be happy with players like Meachem, Nelson, and Staley as well, to name a few. I think at least 1 of these guys will be available at 22. And if we get a bit lucky, Branch could fall to us as well.

I think even if we remain at 22, we'll be o.k.
 

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Idgit;1466904 said:
I don't have a problem with waiting, but the issue with Peterson is that he'd represent a considerable value in this draft if he slid to 10. You might have to move up several more slots next year to get a shot at McFadden, and that would be very expensive, even with an extra 1st.

You have to take some risks nothing in a draft is a sure thing, anyway each draft there's someone falling and with 2 1st's you have a lot of wiggle room and "power" and this years draft seams rather "weak" except at WR so we can get a good one with a 2nd. I say roll them dice! Besides it's much more fun making mock draft's when you have some ammo:D
 

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L-O-Jete;1466697 said:
Good things come to those who wait. I don't see a player at 22 who'll get us a ring, but with 2 first rounders next year I see the ability to move around and get a cornerstone player (McFadden) next year, or a Franchise QB if Romo doesn't pan out.

Yeah I pretty much agree. Unless you can trade up and grab Peterson in the top 11 without breaking the bank, I'd trade down. The Cowboys really havent had much luck drafting OL in the last few years. That's why I think Blalock is the safest pick in the top of the 2nd round if they trade down.
 
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