Vela: Crazy from the heat -- the Larry Johnson to Dallas rumor

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Crazy from the Heat — the Larry Johnson to Dallas Rumor
By Rafael Vela

You’ve head it. I’ve heard it. It’s fun. It provokes discussion, but what chance is there that Larry Johnson become a Cowboy, in exchange for Flozell Adams and Julius Jones, or some permutation thereof?

Practically none. Let’s see if we can diffuse some arguments:

1. Dallas would be trading two players who could walk next year in Adams and Jones. True, but let’s remember:

– Left tackles, even decent ones like Adams, are much harder to find than good running backs. Dallas is high on Pat McQuistan, with cause, but how many starts does he have? We all recall how the line fell part two years ago when Adams went down, right?

Why risk Tony Romo’s future — and that’s what you put at stake leaving LT in an unproven’s hands — trading Adams away? This is Tony’s show-me season and he needs the most support possible. Even if Dallas plans on letting Flozell walk after this year, he offers them certainty on the blind side. Is two to three good years of Johnson — at best — worth risking ten years of Romo?

It’s not even worth considering in my opinion.

2. Why would Dallas want Larry Johnson anyway? Yeah, he’s been a great back the past two years, but his stellar ‘05 was vastly different from his ‘06

‘05 — 336 carries, 1750 yards, 5.2 average;
‘06 — 416 carries, 1789 yards, 4.3 average;

In other words, Larry Johnson replicated his 2005 season last year. Then, Herman Edwards ordered him to carry on 80 more plays where his lineman fell down at the snap, leaving poor Larry to slam headfirst into NFL front lines. He’s so good he averaged half a yard per play. Four feet or so.

He’s not a shifty runner. He’s the next incarnation of Eddie George. And for those with short memories, Eddie could turn the corner when he joined the pros. Then, in 2000 he carried the ball 403 times. He was never the same again. Neither was Jamal Lewis after the Ravens put 695 carries on his odometer in consecutive years. He’s been injury prone and ordinary ever since. Baltimore swapped him out for Willis McGahee, just three seasons after he gained 2066 yards.

Johnson has 724 carries the past two seasons. He wants a contract with $24 million guaranteed — at least.

You pay contracts on calculated future production, not as a reward for past performance, especially for another team.

The Cowboys face negotiations for Romo and Terence Newman. They’re going to command huge salaries, but play at positions where there’s a good chance they’ll play the duration of their new deals at high levels.

What are the odds you’ll get more than two to three quality seasons from Johnson? Then you’re paying franchise money for a mediocre back. I’ve seen Earl Campbell, George Rogers, George and Lewis go down this path. When they’re done, they fade quickly.

Sorry you Johnson rooters, but the more I think about this deal, the more ridiculous it seems.

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He’s not a shifty runner. He’s the next incarnation of Eddie George. And for those with short memories, Eddie could turn the corner when he joined the pros. Then, in 2000 he carried the ball 403 times. He was never the same again. Neither was Jamal Lewis after the Ravens put 695 carries on his odometer in consecutive years. He’s been injury prone and ordinary ever since. Baltimore swapped him out for Willis McGahee, just three seasons after he gained 2066 yards.

And now we know why Jones/Barber will be the backfield for the Cowboys for the foreseeable future. Little old running backs can't take a lot of pounding by bigger linebackers and even larger defensive linemen.
 

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First I will say that I seriously doubt we would trade for Johnson but Vela reasoning definitely have flaws.

1. Adams is a good LT, not great just good. He has knee problems with the clean out of the knee just recently. He should be our LT this year but I doubt beyond that. If I remember correctly he started as a rookie on the right side so if he were traded would it surprise anyone to see either Davis or Colombo move to LT for awhile if McQuistan didn't pan out. It is not as if there is only one choice if Adams is traded.

2. Johnson would not carry the full load here. He would alternative with a proven commodity in Barber, thus far less carries and a more rested Johnson. Yes, Johnson isn't shifty but Jones and Barber are? Lets be real. And what has Garrett said time and again, timing passing and power running. Sorry but if the choice is the power runner Johnson or the power runner Jones, guess which one am taking.

3. KC lost there starting LG in Shields so did I miss something. Why wouldn't they ask for Kosier and Jones and probably a third guy like say Ellis since they have also lost J. Allen for the first four games. I would bet that Julius would get a new contract and Ellis an extension.

4. Is it a possiblity, very doubtful but with Jerry anything really is possible.

Just to dismiss the rumor is just not to bright just because someone believes there is no way it could happen. Johnson is only 28 years old and either KC or someone will give him a hefty 5 year deal which probably will in reality be a 3 year deal.

BUT for grins just say that we did get Johnson for the above mention guys, who do you think would then be the odds on favorite to be the NFC champ and possibly Super Bowl champ. You want to protect Romo, who do you think the defenses would prepare more for, Jones/Barber or Johnson/Barber. Yes, Johnson got crush sometimes when his OL laid down last year but he still gained half yard or better when they did, wanta take a look on what Julius LOST when our OL didn't block.

Sorry it may just be a rumor but it is one that I believe may have just a small bit of substance behind it.
 

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No way would I make the trade for Larry Johnson.

Totally nuts.
 

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If Pat is as good as we think he is than why not?

I just don't want us to trade any of our picks away.
 

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IMO, Flozell Adams is far too important in 2007 to trade away.

There may be a guy (or two) on the roster who could replace Adams in the near future (e.g., 2008), but I wouldn't be willing to bet the 2007 season on it.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1544681 said:
No way would I make the trade for Larry Johnson.

Totally nuts.

agree 100%...he doesnt make us any better

and if JuJo/MBIII prove to be no more than adequate this yr (unlikely IMO if everyone stays healthy) then we are in prime position next yr to draft a REAL franchise back in McFadden...McFadden has the home run speed that LJ lacks, and doesnt come with anywhere near the baggage

David
 

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Eric Dickerson was the only back to have a huge load of carries and not have it tell on him right away. Could we be as confident that LJ is another dickerson-instead of another Williams, Lewis, Etc?
 

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That is the worst of this time period. Incredibly STUPID threads abound.
 

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dbair1967;1544902 said:
agree 100%...he doesnt make us any better

and if JuJo/MBIII prove to be no more than adequate this yr (unlikely IMO if everyone stays healthy) then we are in prime position next yr to draft a REAL franchise back in McFadden...McFadden has the home run speed that LJ lacks, and doesnt come with anywhere near the baggage

David


Im with you fully on this idea....:starspin
 

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I haven't seen McFadden run but I've heard he uses a stiff-arm. If so, SIGN ME UP AS A FAN! :bow:
 

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MichaelWinicki;1544681 said:
No way would I make the trade for Larry Johnson.

Totally nuts.

General McAuliffe and I agree.
 

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Sandyf;1544644 said:
First I will say that I seriously doubt we would trade for Johnson but Vela reasoning definitely have flaws.
Actually, yours does as well.
1. Adams is a good LT, not great just good. He has knee problems with the clean out of the knee just recently. He should be our LT this year but I doubt beyond that. If I remember correctly he started as a rookie on the right side so if he were traded would it surprise anyone to see either Davis or Colombo move to LT for awhile if McQuistan didn't pan out. It is not as if there is only one choice if Adams is traded.
And you leave LT in unproven hands to start the season. Q.E.D.
2. Johnson would not carry the full load here. He would alternative with a proven commodity in Barber, thus far less carries and a more rested Johnson. Yes, Johnson isn't shifty but Jones and Barber are? Lets be real. And what has Garrett said time and again, timing passing and power running. Sorry but if the choice is the power runner Johnson or the power runner Jones, guess which one am taking.
And how well would a feature back like no longer being the feature back?
3. KC lost there starting LG in Shields so did I miss something. Why wouldn't they ask for Kosier and Jones and probably a third guy like say Ellis since they have also lost J. Allen for the first four games. I would bet that Julius would get a new contract and Ellis an extension.
There might be some rationale to this one, but why would we give up 3 for 1, which is what this sounds like? And it's been beaten to death about a guy like Ellis coming off an achilles' injury at his age; he's got a hard road back. Many GMs would rather see us have to deal with that than take it on.
4. Is it a possiblity, very doubtful but with Jerry anything really is possible.
This gets trotted out so many times it's lost its novelty value. Jones has done things like Deion, Haley, and TO, but I don't consider Johnson to be in that same category. You don't address the most compelling part of Vela's argument either: wear and tear, other than saying he'd split time with Barber. I believe Johnson's head is too big to want to split tme with another back. For one thing, look at the money he's demanding: feature back, give me the ball 30 time a game money (like LT, remember he thinks he's in thesame class of back).
Just to dismiss the rumor is just not to bright just because someone believes there is no way it could happen. Johnson is only 28 years old and either KC or someone will give him a hefty 5 year deal which probably will in reality be a 3 year deal.

BUT for grins just say that we did get Johnson for the above mention guys, who do you think would then be the odds on favorite to be the NFC champ and possibly Super Bowl champ. You want to protect Romo, who do you think the defenses would prepare more for, Jones/Barber or Johnson/Barber. Yes, Johnson got crush sometimes when his OL laid down last year but he still gained half yard or better when they did, wanta take a look on what Julius LOST when our OL didn't block.

Sorry it may just be a rumor but it is one that I believe may have just a small bit of substance behind it.
Very small. On-paper favorites do not necessarily translate to on-field success. But continue to dream; it costs nothing.
 

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I know there is no chance of this happening....

But it would be nice to have an elite back instead of Jones/Barber....
 

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Have to say Zeromaster made good points except on the wear and tear issue.

Johnson has been in the league four years, this coming one is his fifth. He has 892 carries in the four years over 48 games, about 220 carries a year or 19 carries a game. He has quite a bit of mileage left, IMO.

Sharing carries with Barber, I don't think would be much of a problem with him because he will get the ball 20-25 times a game. Funny how many of us don't see him as an elite back but name one NFL team that doesn't because they all scheme to stop him just like they do LT. Is LT the better back, yes but I would take Johnson over anyone else in the league.

If you want a comparsion on carries, during Emmitt's first four years he had 1262 carries and averaged 300 carries a year over his career, and 20 carries a game. The fuss about how much Johnson has left is groundless.

I understand what everyone is saying on Adams, but Adams started as rookie although at guard not tackle. Not saying we should start one of the rookies or McQuistan at LT but then again Davis is an option there as well if we did do something like trade Adams. I just see Adams as a good tackle, nothing spectular. But maybe good is enough, I'm just hopefully either Marten, Free or McQuistan can be an outstanding LT soon in the mode of an Ogden. I know wishful thinking.

Really doesn't matter though because it is a rumor and Jerry would never pull the trigger.
 

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burmafrd;1544907 said:
Eric Dickerson was the only back to have a huge load of carries and not have it tell on him right away. Could we be as confident that LJ is another dickerson-instead of another Williams, Lewis, Etc?


What's more, I think it was a strike shortened season that Dickerson came back and had good numbers. This article basically says the same things I discussed in a previous thread a week or so ago. I'm not in favor of trading for LJ if the price is too steep. However, I think Adams might be on his last legs as well. He has a huge salary attached and will need to be resigned. If we could make a trade and sign LJ to a reasonable deal, then I'd actually be for this trade. However, I don't see that happening. I'm against a huge contract for LJ.
 
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