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Please Don’t Trade Our Starting Tailback

By Rafael Vela

Blog regular Luke makes the case for keeping Julius Jones. Take it away, Luke:

I don’t see the appeal in trading Julius Jones and am surprised it’s being considered even if only half heartedly. As Jarhead has pointed out, who do you replace him with? Should go into this season relying solely on Marion [Barber] and [Tyson] Thompson (who is coming off a serious injury)?
Squidlo97 said earlier “my biggest question on Julius is why he didn’t run all year like he did against Seattle?”

I’ve heard this quite a few times on the blog and the answer is simple if you go look at his carries. He got 22 against the Seahawks for 112 yards. The last time he got over twenty carries was in the victory against the undefeated Colts in week 10. He had 20 for 79 with 3 receptions for 25. 105 total yards for the game, good no?

In fact every time Julius received the substantial amount of carries he put up solid numbers.

– Wk1 Jags – 17 for 72 at 4.2 (1 for 39 = 18 for 111 total)
– Wk2 Skins – 20 for 94 at 4.7
– Wk3 Titans – 23 for 122 at 5.3
– Wk4 Eagles – 26 for 100 at 3.8 (1 for 22 = 27 for 122)
– Wk5 Texans – 22 for 106 at 4.8
– Wk7 Panthers – 24 for 92 at 3.8
– Wk8 Skins – 20 for 73 at 3.7
– Wk10 Colts – 20 for 79 at 3.9 (3 for 25 = 23 for 104 total)

Eight games total where he received 17 or more carries.
Over these eight games he had 172 carries for 860 yards at a 5.0 average per carry.

Per game average over those eight games was 21.5 carries at 107.5 yards.
Even at this high rate of carries Jones was safe with the ball. He only fumbled once all year (week 2 against the Skins) in his 267 carries.
In the last six weeks Jones only got 65 carries and only rushed for 271 yards (4.1 average) but a lot of that came from one run, the 77 yarder against the Saints. To me this was also the period that the Oline started to wear down. Gurode was becoming inconsistent again and Rivera was melting right before our eyes.

With the Oline performance sinking this might be the reason that so many late carries were given to Marion Barber because he is more physical and better at yards after contact and creating his own hole and pushing the pile.
Julius also only caught 9 passes all year. I can’t fathom this. On his 9 catches he had 142 yards. That’s almost a 16 yard average per reception. Yet they only found a way to get him the ball nine times. I am hopeful however that Jason Garrett can find a way to get him the ball in the receiving game. Garrett’s former team the Dolphins got RB Ronnie Brown 33 receptions in 07.

Norv Turner, of whom I’ve heard Garrett’s offense might take some influence, found a way to get the ball into Frank Gore’s hands 61 times in the receiving game. Getting Julius into space is his strength, when he has space or a hole he looks as good as anyone in the league, why we didn’t try to get Julius into receiving space last year is beyond me and hopefully something that is rectified in 2008.

Is Jones the new Emmitt Smith? No, and we may never see the like of him again. But Jones is a solid back who has big play potential and he might play even better this year if he just gets the carries or at least a more even distribution. Marion had the advantage of coming into the game in the forth fresh against tired defenders. If Julius got some of those carries I think the stats show he could have made some plays too. It’s not a knock on Marion, I think he’s a great backup but I think his style would wear him out over whole season.

The signing of Chunk Davis for RG at the least should greatly improve the run blocking inside. Kozier, Gurode and Chunk could form an effective inside run blocking trio. Julius Jones could benefit more than any player from this new group. The new offense might also benefit Julius greatly if it involves getting the running back drawn into the passing game.

I see Julius Jones primed for a big season. The free agent additions and the new coaching style could favour him greatly. He is also in the last year of his contract and still has plenty to prove so motivation will not be an issue. What’s the real value in trading him for a second round pick even in the unlikely event we get offered it?

Outside of Peterson I can’t see anyone who could come in as a rookie and offer more than what Julius could give us this year and Peterson is way out of our range. Why not ride Julius hard this year? Forget the ‘worrying about Jones longevity’ that Bill Parcells wrought over and make full use of his talents, he might just have a super season and remind us of the freakish player we saw in his rookie year.
 

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austintodallas;1420262 said:
Please Don’t Trade Our Starting Tailback

By Rafael Vela

Blog regular Luke makes the case for keeping Julius Jones. Take it away, Luke:

I don’t see the appeal in trading Julius Jones and am surprised it’s being considered even if only half heartedly. As Jarhead has pointed out, who do you replace him with? Should go into this season relying solely on Marion [Barber] and [Tyson] Thompson (who is coming off a serious injury)?
Squidlo97 said earlier “my biggest question on Julius is why he didn’t run all year like he did against Seattle?”

I’ve heard this quite a few times on the blog and the answer is simple if you go look at his carries. He got 22 against the Seahawks for 112 yards. The last time he got over twenty carries was in the victory against the undefeated Colts in week 10. He had 20 for 79 with 3 receptions for 25. 105 total yards for the game, good no?

In fact every time Julius received the substantial amount of carries he put up solid numbers.

– Wk1 Jags – 17 for 72 at 4.2 (1 for 39 = 18 for 111 total)
– Wk2 Skins – 20 for 94 at 4.7
– Wk3 Titans – 23 for 122 at 5.3
– Wk4 Eagles – 26 for 100 at 3.8 (1 for 22 = 27 for 122)
– Wk5 Texans – 22 for 106 at 4.8
– Wk7 Panthers – 24 for 92 at 3.8
– Wk8 Skins – 20 for 73 at 3.7
– Wk10 Colts – 20 for 79 at 3.9 (3 for 25 = 23 for 104 total)

Eight games total where he received 17 or more carries.
Over these eight games he had 172 carries for 860 yards at a 5.0 average per carry.

Per game average over those eight games was 21.5 carries at 107.5 yards.
Even at this high rate of carries Jones was safe with the ball. He only fumbled once all year (week 2 against the Skins) in his 267 carries.
In the last six weeks Jones only got 65 carries and only rushed for 271 yards (4.1 average) but a lot of that came from one run, the 77 yarder against the Saints. To me this was also the period that the Oline started to wear down. Gurode was becoming inconsistent again and Rivera was melting right before our eyes.

With the Oline performance sinking this might be the reason that so many late carries were given to Marion Barber because he is more physical and better at yards after contact and creating his own hole and pushing the pile.
Julius also only caught 9 passes all year. I can’t fathom this. On his 9 catches he had 142 yards. That’s almost a 16 yard average per reception. Yet they only found a way to get him the ball nine times. I am hopeful however that Jason Garrett can find a way to get him the ball in the receiving game. Garrett’s former team the Dolphins got RB Ronnie Brown 33 receptions in 07.

Norv Turner, of whom I’ve heard Garrett’s offense might take some influence, found a way to get the ball into Frank Gore’s hands 61 times in the receiving game. Getting Julius into space is his strength, when he has space or a hole he looks as good as anyone in the league, why we didn’t try to get Julius into receiving space last year is beyond me and hopefully something that is rectified in 2008.

Is Jones the new Emmitt Smith? No, and we may never see the like of him again. But Jones is a solid back who has big play potential and he might play even better this year if he just gets the carries or at least a more even distribution. Marion had the advantage of coming into the game in the forth fresh against tired defenders. If Julius got some of those carries I think the stats show he could have made some plays too. It’s not a knock on Marion, I think he’s a great backup but I think his style would wear him out over whole season.

The signing of Chunk Davis for RG at the least should greatly improve the run blocking inside. Kozier, Gurode and Chunk could form an effective inside run blocking trio. Julius Jones could benefit more than any player from this new group. The new offense might also benefit Julius greatly if it involves getting the running back drawn into the passing game.

I see Julius Jones primed for a big season. The free agent additions and the new coaching style could favour him greatly. He is also in the last year of his contract and still has plenty to prove so motivation will not be an issue. What’s the real value in trading him for a second round pick even in the unlikely event we get offered it?

Outside of Peterson I can’t see anyone who could come in as a rookie and offer more than what Julius could give us this year and Peterson is way out of our range. Why not ride Julius hard this year? Forget the ‘worrying about Jones longevity’ that Bill Parcells wrought over and make full use of his talents, he might just have a super season and remind us of the freakish player we saw in his rookie year.
Jones had better have a breakout year or he's soon gone anyway. No way we offer him a huge contract based on his career so far.
 

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philo beddoe;1420272 said:
Jones had better have a breakout year or he's soon gone anyway. No way we offer him a huge contract based on his career so far.
Define 'huge contract'.
 

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I agree with this article. I see no valid reason to trade Julius Jones and no solid running back capable of replacing him (save the Peterson pipe-dream stories for somebody listening!).

One key point that I really agree with is the lack of passes thrown Jones' way.

I remember game 1 against Jacksonville when they ran Jones downfield and save for a Bledsoe overthrow, Jones was looking at a huge receiving touchdown. The play had the Jags completely fooled. And I never saw that play run again the rest of the season.

I think the Cowboys missed the boat by not throwing more passes to both Jones and Barber - and not just on third and forever mind you - but 1st and 2nd down passes as well.

Despite a solid ranking overall, failure to better utilize the running backs in the passing game is one criticism I have of the Cowboys' offense.
 

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philo beddoe;1420272 said:
Jones had better have a breakout year or he's soon gone anyway. No way we offer him a huge contract based on his career so far.

If anything, I would hope JJones offers him a decent salary now before the possibility of him breaking out this coming year. Even with a halfway decent new contract, he is still a tradeable rb if necessary. I just think that Parcells had a large part in not allowing JJones to really show us what he had because they were always so worried about him getting injured. Yes, he has had some injuries, but I really hope Jones gets some play this year so he will remind everyone of the talent he has.

I agree with this article though. There is no rb in this years draft better then JJones. Not worth trading unless you can gain a player like wr Johnson who would be almost impossible in obtaining.
 

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So he had 8 good games. Let's look at the rush defense (based on YPC) of 6 of those 8 games.

Skins - 24th
Titans - 28th
Eagles - 25th
Texans - 21st
Skins - 24th
Colts - 32nd
 

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theogt;1420289 said:
So he had 8 good games. Let's look at the rush defense (based on YPC) of 6 of those 8 games.

Skins - 24th
Titans - 28th
Eagles - 25th
Texans - 21st
Skins - 24th
Colts - 32nd

most backs have good games against poor rush defences...

and I like Barber, but who exactly did he light up?
 

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I don't need statistics to see that JuJo isn't the running back he used to be. I can just watch how he runs timid, fails to cutback, and hardly makes big plays. He can't make guys miss when he gets to the 2nd level, and I've seen him get tackled by safeties many times when he had 1 on 1 opportunities to break off a big one.
 

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I just don't see them trading a known entity (JJ) for an unknown one. The draft is a crapshoot and potential replacements like Ricky Williams (gasp) are undesirable.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1420294 said:
most backs have good games against poor rush defences...

and I like Barber, but who exactly did he light up?
My point was that saying, "Look he had good games against horrible run defenses," isn't very convincing.

As a side point, the same argument -- more carries equals more production -- could be made for Barber. In the games in which Barber had at least 9 carries, he averaged 5.74 YPC. In the games that he had at least 10 carries he averaged 5.81 YPC. In the games that he had at least 12 carries he averaged 5.46 YPC.
 

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theogt;1420318 said:
My point was that saying, "Look he had good games against horrible run defenses," isn't very convincing.

As a side point, the same argument -- more carries equals more production -- could be made for Barber. In the games in which Barber had at least 9 carries, he averaged 5.74 YPC. In the games that he had at least 10 carries he averaged 5.81 YPC. In the games that he had at least 12 carries he averaged 5.46 YPC.

so we have 2 good backs and a good system, hooray!

what's the problem then?
 

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I don't understand the hate for Julius. I think in many ways he's one of many guys that needs to be given an opportunity under the new regime. I don't know of another guy (outside of TO) who did more for this club last year that gets less respect.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1420325 said:
so we have 2 good backs and a good system, hooray!

Exactly.

So why are so many intent on breaking up this combination-- what was it? Like 1,800 yards and 18 TD's?

So many people-- so much stupidity... sigh.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1420325 said:
so we have 2 good backs and a good system, hooray!
The question is, which guy is going to be more productive when given the majority of the carries?

bbgun;1420308 said:
I just don't see them trading a known entity (JJ) for an unknown one. The draft is a crapshoot and potential replacements like Ricky Williams (gasp) are undesirable.
I don't really think the plan would be to draft a RB to replace Julius with the exact same draft choice we received in exchange. I think that pick would be used for something else. If the plan is to give Marion the rock full-time, then the question becomes, would a 4th round RB plus a 2nd round pick give us the same value of Julius' production when he only receives 20% of the carries?
 

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austintodallas;1420262 said:
Please Don’t Trade Our Starting Tailback

By Rafael Vela

Blog regular Luke makes the case for keeping Julius Jones. Take it away, Luke:

I don’t see the appeal in trading Julius Jones and am surprised it’s being considered even if only half heartedly. As Jarhead has pointed out, who do you replace him with? Should go into this season relying solely on Marion [Barber] and [Tyson] Thompson (who is coming off a serious injury)?
Squidlo97 said earlier “my biggest question on Julius is why he didn’t run all year like he did against Seattle?”

I’ve heard this quite a few times on the blog and the answer is simple if you go look at his carries. He got 22 against the Seahawks for 112 yards. The last time he got over twenty carries was in the victory against the undefeated Colts in week 10. He had 20 for 79 with 3 receptions for 25. 105 total yards for the game, good no?

In fact every time Julius received the substantial amount of carries he put up solid numbers.

– Wk1 Jags – 17 for 72 at 4.2 (1 for 39 = 18 for 111 total)
– Wk2 Skins – 20 for 94 at 4.7
– Wk3 Titans – 23 for 122 at 5.3
– Wk4 Eagles – 26 for 100 at 3.8 (1 for 22 = 27 for 122)
– Wk5 Texans – 22 for 106 at 4.8
– Wk7 Panthers – 24 for 92 at 3.8
– Wk8 Skins – 20 for 73 at 3.7
– Wk10 Colts – 20 for 79 at 3.9 (3 for 25 = 23 for 104 total)

Eight games total where he received 17 or more carries.
Over these eight games he had 172 carries for 860 yards at a 5.0 average per carry.

Per game average over those eight games was 21.5 carries at 107.5 yards.
Even at this high rate of carries Jones was safe with the ball. He only fumbled once all year (week 2 against the Skins) in his 267 carries.
In the last six weeks Jones only got 65 carries and only rushed for 271 yards (4.1 average) but a lot of that came from one run, the 77 yarder against the Saints. To me this was also the period that the Oline started to wear down. Gurode was becoming inconsistent again and Rivera was melting right before our eyes.

With the Oline performance sinking this might be the reason that so many late carries were given to Marion Barber because he is more physical and better at yards after contact and creating his own hole and pushing the pile.
Julius also only caught 9 passes all year. I can’t fathom this. On his 9 catches he had 142 yards. That’s almost a 16 yard average per reception. Yet they only found a way to get him the ball nine times. I am hopeful however that Jason Garrett can find a way to get him the ball in the receiving game. Garrett’s former team the Dolphins got RB Ronnie Brown 33 receptions in 07.

Norv Turner, of whom I’ve heard Garrett’s offense might take some influence, found a way to get the ball into Frank Gore’s hands 61 times in the receiving game. Getting Julius into space is his strength, when he has space or a hole he looks as good as anyone in the league, why we didn’t try to get Julius into receiving space last year is beyond me and hopefully something that is rectified in 2008.

Is Jones the new Emmitt Smith? No, and we may never see the like of him again. But Jones is a solid back who has big play potential and he might play even better this year if he just gets the carries or at least a more even distribution. Marion had the advantage of coming into the game in the forth fresh against tired defenders. If Julius got some of those carries I think the stats show he could have made some plays too. It’s not a knock on Marion, I think he’s a great backup but I think his style would wear him out over whole season.

The signing of Chunk Davis for RG at the least should greatly improve the run blocking inside. Kozier, Gurode and Chunk could form an effective inside run blocking trio. Julius Jones could benefit more than any player from this new group. The new offense might also benefit Julius greatly if it involves getting the running back drawn into the passing game.

I see Julius Jones primed for a big season. The free agent additions and the new coaching style could favour him greatly. He is also in the last year of his contract and still has plenty to prove so motivation will not be an issue. What’s the real value in trading him for a second round pick even in the unlikely event we get offered it?

Outside of Peterson I can’t see anyone who could come in as a rookie and offer more than what Julius could give us this year and Peterson is way out of our range. Why not ride Julius hard this year? Forget the ‘worrying about Jones longevity’ that Bill Parcells wrought over and make full use of his talents, he might just have a super season and remind us of the freakish player we saw in his rookie year.

Bravo Vela.And that reason comes from the Jones-will-be-a-free-agent-next-year-so-we-need-to-trade-him-eeeekkkkk! faction.Throw half the money Jerra threw at that O-lineman from Arizona to Jones and problem solved. Jones will command a hefty sum, but so do other RBs with skills.It's as if Jones has been a third-stringer with a 1.0 per carry average. It's as if giving someone a new contract is crazy idea. It's as if that faction WANTS the 'Boys to go into the season next year with Barber as the sole RB when we have a perfectly workable tandem right now.Get a RB in the draft? Morons. With all the needs the Cowboys have, jerra is gonna select a running back that will take two or so years to work out the kinks. And that is IF he is better or just comparable to Jones.Yeah, throw money at the T.O.'s, Riveras, Davis' and underachieving defensive players and toss Jones, a skilled performer, under a bus.Classic.
 

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Good read.

I actually think Julius is a fine back. He's good, but I wonder if he's not special. In fact, I think Jean Jacque Taylor used those exact words to describe him...

Regardless, I would be more than fine holding on to Julius. I think there is always a chance that he blossoms into a very good running back. I can't say I would blame Dallas for shopping him though. Because of his contract status and the fact that Marion Barber was a more effective runner for much of the year, it might make sense to see what you can get from him.

As a side note, I always believed that Julius Jones was a much scarier back to opponents than Barber. I figured his breakaway speed made a lot of defenses nervous. But last year, literally everyone in the world pointed out how much more concerned they were about bottling up Barber. Opposing coaches, players, and even announcers believed that Barber was the better back for this team, and most of the team that seemed especially true. Barber brought a toughness and swagger to the offense that was hard to define but certainly helped.
 

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theogt;1420342 said:
The question is, which guy is going to be more productive when given the majority of the carries?

it's called competition, in other words, let them compete
 

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MichaelWinicki;1420336 said:
Exactly.

So why are so many intent on breaking up this combination-- what was it? Like 1,800 yards and 18 TD's?

So many people-- so much stupidity... sigh.

Not to mention creating a need instead of filling one!
 

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theogt;1420289 said:
So he had 8 good games. Let's look at the rush defense (based on YPC) of 6 of those 8 games.

Skins - 24th
Titans - 28th
Eagles - 25th
Texans - 21st
Skins - 24th
Colts - 32nd
JuJones is NOT SPECIAL. We'd all better wise up to this fact.
 
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