Very good comment from a fan on cowboys practice live blog, see what u think;

[cowboyjoe]

[Comment From Sam]
Wouldn't a soft camp cost you towards the end of the season when your conditioning really comes into play and your mental toughness as a team? I don't think strong starts to the year always indicate successful training camps. Wade is too easy on his players. It's why he's a career loser and won't win again this year.
9:51 Tim MacMahon: This is the kind of comment that goes in the comments section at the bottom of the post, by the way. But I approved this one because it makes an interesting point.

 

[Kilyin]

[Comment From Sam]
Wouldn't a soft camp cost you towards the end of the season when your conditioning really comes into play and your mental toughness as a team? I don't think strong starts to the year always indicate successful training camps. Wade is too easy on his players. It's why he's a career loser and won't win again this year.
9:51 Tim MacMahon: This is the kind of comment that goes in the comments section at the bottom of the post, by the way. But I approved this one because it makes an interesting point.

How original.

Parcells' teams did the same thing (crash and burn down the stretch). Was he too easy on his players?

Maybe training camp isn't the real problem.

 

[theogt]

The "camp cupcake" name has nothing to do with conditioning. It's been pointed out several times, Wade's camps are more grueling condition-wise than Parcells' camps. There are more two-a-days, etc. The "cupcake" name comes from the criticism that there is a "no tackling" policy. And I can't for the life of me see why a team would tackle well early on in the season and not tackle well later in the season.

So, no, it's not a "very good comment." It's actually not a very well thought out comment at all.

 

[Rampage]

[Comment From Sam]
Wouldn't a soft camp cost you towards the end of the season when your conditioning really comes into play and your mental toughness as a team? I don't think strong starts to the year always indicate successful training camps. Wade is too easy on his players. It's why he's a career loser and won't win again this year.
9:51 Tim MacMahon: This is the kind of comment that goes in the comments section at the bottom of the post, by the way. But I approved this one because it makes an interesting point.

the Eagles tackle in practice and just lost there starting MLB for the season. would you like for us to tackle in TC and lose D-ware for the season?

 

[jrumann59]

I am sorry but at the end of a season besides nicks and bruises you are in tip top shape conditioning wise. With this team it is all mental.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The "camp cupcake" name has nothing to do with conditioning. It's been pointed out several times, Wade's camps are more grueling condition-wise than Parcells' camps. There are more two-a-days, etc. The "cupcake" name comes from the criticism that there is a "no tackling" policy. And I can't for the life of me see why a team would tackle well early on in the season and not tackle well later in the season.

So, no, it's not a "very good comment." It's actually not a very well thought out comment at all.

Conditioning.

Because how tough he is during the camp doesn't address his demands for the players to continue lifting during the season. Witness Romo's comments about being sore and not lifting later in the year.

Camp Cupcake doesn't cause this. Coach Stay-Puft doesn't enforce a strict enough regimine to keep these athletes at top form.

 

[dadymat]

How original.

Parcells' teams did the same thing (crash and burn down the stretch). Was he too easy on his players?

Maybe training camp isn't the real problem.

and back then I remember people saying they were crashing and burning because Parcells was too rough on them and wore them out....go figure.....itll never be good enough

 

[theogt]

Conditioning.

Because how tough he is during the camp doesn't address his demands for the players to continue lifting during the season. Witness Romo's comments about being sore and not lifting later in the year.

Camp Cupcake doesn't cause this. Coach Stay-Puft doesn't enforce a strict enough regimine to keep these athletes at top form.

Is there some evidence that our off-season condition program is insufficient or any different than any other program?

For the most part, I've heard nothing but praise about our condition coach, Jurascek (I'm sure I'm butchering the spelling of his name).

 

[TwoDeep3]

Is there some evidence that our off-season condition program is insufficient or any different than any other program?

For the most part, I've heard nothing but praise about our condition coach, Jurascek (I'm sure I'm butchering the spelling of his name).

Romo said in an interview that as the season wore on he stopped lifting because he was sore.

I am not talking off-season, training camp, or even the beginning of the season.

If the coach doesn't demand these guys lift in Nov and Dec, is this the causal effect that makes this team weak at the end of the year?

Because they are playing a season doesn't mean they are staying in shape. If you stop lifting, the muscles will weaken quickly.

A lot? Unknown.

But maybe enough.

 

[theogt]

Romo said in an interview that as the season wore on he stopped lifting because he was sore.

I am not talking off-season, training camp, or even the beginning of the season.

If the coach doesn't demand these guys lift in Nov and Dec, is this the causal effect that makes this team weak at the end of the year?

Because they are playing a season doesn't mean they are staying in shape. If you stop lifting, the muscles will weaken quickly.

A lot? Unknown.

But maybe enough.

Most players don't do weight training during the season from what I know. I thought this was common knowledge.

Either way, this thread and my first post in this thread were about training camp.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Conditioning.

Because how tough he is during the camp doesn't address his demands for the players to continue lifting during the season. Witness Romo's comments about being sore and not lifting later in the year.

Camp Cupcake doesn't cause this. Coach Stay-Puft doesn't enforce a strict enough regimine to keep these athletes at top form.

And by the same token an arguement could be made that a tough training camp would contribute to wearing down down the stretch. It is a no win for any coaching staff. They are all trying to find the medium of hard and soft.

 

[Mash]

Andy Reid has won how many Championships?....and he just lost a starter because of his so hard and physical practices....if you can believe those mediots.

Its been mentioned by many mediots....most camps dont have alot of tackling going on.

Also...its been reported that Camp Cupcake is more tasking because of a faster pace then Parcells camp.....ever

Physcial camp....no playoff wins
camp cupcake...no playoff wins

 

[Faerluna]

Romo said in an interview that as the season wore on he stopped lifting because he was sore.

He was sore because with Proctor in the line he was getting the crap knocked out of him game after game.

That had zero to do with his conditioning.

 

[viman96]

The Cowboys crash at the end of the season because mentally they fade. It is a "state of mind" issue with this team that was here before BP arrived.

 

[Doomsday101]

Where is this good comment from a fan? I did not see one in the thread.

 

[Mash]

Romo said in an interview that as the season wore on he stopped lifting because he was sore.

I am not talking off-season, training camp, or even the beginning of the season.

If the coach doesn't demand these guys lift in Nov and Dec, is this the causal effect that makes this team weak at the end of the year?

Because they are playing a season doesn't mean they are staying in shape. If you stop lifting, the muscles will weaken quickly.

A lot? Unknown.

But maybe enough.

I dont think Haley ever lifted a weight and how many championships did he win

just sayin....I think our dec swoon is from execution and poor play from our players and coaches.....IMHO the Cowboys didnt look any slower or weaker.....they just looked unprepared for whatever reason but I dont think it was for the lack of conditioning.

 

[AsthmaField]

He was sore because with Proctor in the line he was getting the crap knocked out of him game after game.

That had zero to do with his conditioning.

This is what I thought, as well.

The OP fan comment isn't a good one. The end of season slump has nothing to do with not tackling our own team in training camp.

Besides, it isn't camp cupcake. That has been debunked long ago. Phillips has them going through a more grueling camp than Parcells did (more running). The only difference between the hitting parcells did and the hitting Phillips does is a goal-line drill that parcells let them do live. Other than that, the hitting is the same as when Big Bill was here.

However, Phillips still has them running more.

The cupcake crap is just media (thanks JFE) driven BS.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Conditioning.

Because how tough he is during the camp doesn't address his demands for the players to continue lifting during the season. Witness Romo's comments about being sore and not lifting later in the year.

Camp Cupcake doesn't cause this. Coach Stay-Puft doesn't enforce a strict enough regimine to keep these athletes at top form.

Thats the point im trying to make, we all know that wade teams come out in september great, but slip after sept. If you did listen to what twodeep says, about romo being sore and not lifting late in the year. DO you remember in 2007, that the offensive linemen werent doing their cardivacular work, and no hitting or working out in pads at all in november and december?

thats what im pointing too, maybe you need a mixture;
maybe hit once a week, tackle;
hit in pads during the season maybe once a week, be sure that the players do their work, lifting etc during the season, keep them fine tuned.

 

[theogt]

Thats the point im trying to make, we all know that wade teams come out in september great, but slip after sept. If you did listen to what twodeep says, about romo being sore and not lifting late in the year. DO you remember in 2007, that the offensive linemen werent doing their cardivacular work, and no hitting or working out in pads at all in november and december?

thats what im pointing too, maybe you need a mixture;
maybe hit once a week, tackle;
hit in pads during the season maybe once a week, be sure that the players do their work, lifting etc during the season, keep them fine tuned.

No, it wasnt what you were pointing to. Your first post had to do with training camp. Whether they lift and train in December has nothing to do with training camp.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

the Eagles tackle in practice and just lost there starting MLB for the season. would you like for us to tackle in TC and lose D-ware for the season?

It's a fine line. You want tackling? Well it increases injuries even if you MIGHT become a tougher team. I don't want them tackling at all. Use preaseason for that. These guys will have enough wear n tear on their bodies. No need to add to it.