Very good comment from a fan on cowboys practice live blog, see what u think;

[cowboyjoe]

No, it wasnt what you were pointing to. Your first post had to do with training camp. Whether they lift and train in December has nothing to do with training camp.

nope, i didnt point to anything theogt, i was posting it to see what everyone thought first;

then i was going to comment my views
my thoughts are, starts way before training camp, in minicamp, OTAs
then training camp, then during the year;

you have to keep the players in tune, keep them in shape, ready to go at all times; cant slack off

to me, wade was resting on the laurels of the 2007 season, after the cowboys went 11-1 leading up to december;

you cant do that though as a head coach;

you must show the players how hard it is to get there, then you have to keep them fine tuned and ready to go;
just like one person posted awhile back, if you stop lifting weights, etc, doing your cardivacular work, your muscles will detoriate somewhat;

granted, the players have to want it too; thats another big key

i do think wade has learned this year, that you cant treat these players like professionals, but treat them as players; and when you have to step on their neck, you do so; you play for yourself and each other, you must make yourselves accountable to yourselves and each other; that comes from leadership on the team, Starting with the head coach.

Wade has improved dramatically with special teams, now having players work, and hardly no days off, and wade is fine tuning the defense. Now, jason garrett must do his job too, as well as the players;

 

[TwoDeep3]

Most players don't do weight training during the season from what I know. I thought this was common knowledge.

Either way, this thread and my first post in this thread were about training camp.

Then why was Romo asked about it and made it known that he stopped late in the season because he was sore and should continue that this year. I believe that was in one of the Babe Laughenberg interviews.

This may have more to do with squats,. but that still constitutes weight lifting.

Goes back to the Parcell commandments for quarterbacks.

 

[theogt]

Then why was Romo asked about it and made it known that he stopped late in the season because he was sore and should continue that this year. I believe that was in one of the Babe Laughenberg interviews.

This may have more to do with squats,. but that still constitutes weight lifting.

Goes back to the Parcell commandments for quarterbacks.

Beats me. That's always been my understanding, and is why many players talk about how it's hard to keep weight on during the season.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Then why was Romo asked about it and made it known that he stopped late in the season because he was sore and should continue that this year. I believe that was in one of the Babe Laughenberg interviews.

This may have more to do with squats,. but that still constitutes weight lifting.

Goes back to the Parcell commandments for quarterbacks.

right twodeep, its a fine mixture, you have to find out as head coach, who your players are, who are the leaders, and u lead them towards the big goal of the superbowl. Keep their body fine tuned, and ready to go, im not saying hit and tackle every day. Even Jay Novachek said if coach jimmy johnson didnt work them as hard as he did, that the cowboys might have won a couple more superbowls, before their bodies wore out.

Thats what im saying, find that mixture as a head coach, and work them when you have too, pushing them forwards, always forwards, but dont let the players dictate to you, what they should do or shouldnt do, or dont want too. Your the head coach, you have to get them to buy into your techniques, work, etc, then you lead them as the Head Coach,

Generally no one in his right mind wants to do all the extra hard work, you have to push the players, one of jimmy johnsons favorite things he said that i like, let the mind control the body, not the body control the mind.

 

[TwoDeep3]

He was sore because with Proctor in the line he was getting the crap knocked out of him game after game.

That had zero to do with his conditioning.

Did you read what I wrote? Evidently not with your response.

He stopped lifting because he was sore. The condition and strength of the player changed because he stopped working out.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I dont think Haley ever lifted a weight and how many championships did he win

just sayin....I think our dec swoon is from execution and poor play from our players and coaches.....IMHO the Cowboys didnt look any slower or weaker.....they just looked unprepared for whatever reason but I dont think it was for the lack of conditioning.

But just to play the Devil's advocate here, throwing a football comes from strong legs. If Romo stopped doing squats, would that change his strength enough and have an effect on the football?

 

[cowboyjoe]

But just to play the Devil's advocate here, throwing a football comes from strong legs. If Romo stopped doing squats, would that change his strength enough and have an effect on the football?

i would tend to think so

 

[cowboyjoe]

i would tend to think so

which makes me think, what in the heck is the trainer doing, isnt he suppose to be sure to see that the players are working out, lifting weights, staying in shape, and if he was, was is wade doing, by not seeing that the players are doing their work;

 

[Faerluna]

Did you read what I wrote? Evidently not with your response.

He stopped lifting because he was sore. The condition and strength of the player changed because he stopped working out.

He's still playing football and practicing every week. The guy's muscles aren't going to lose all they have gained and somehow atrophy because he stops lifting.

If he was already hurting and continued lifting at his normal pace, he could have easily torn something. I'm sure he went over all of this with the S&C coach, and wasn't just going off the reservation making the decision on his own.

But go ahead since you were obviously there and have all the answers.

 

[Mash]

But just to play the Devil's advocate here, throwing a football comes from strong legs. If Romo stopped doing squats, would that change his strength enough and have an effect on the football?

It probally would......but I dont think it caused the dec swoon.....I guess i should look up Vinny's stats late in the season

btw....I thought Romo supposed decline was forcing the Ball to TO

 

[Doomsday101]

If Romo feels lifting through out season will help him then do it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Not this again.

If anyone remembers, Tony was really beat up most of the year, especially at the end. I'm sure he just means that he needs to try to lift even when he's beat up and sore.

Sometimes, like when his back gets hit so bad he can barely play (Giants game), it might be impossible, but he probably just wants to make more of an effort to push through the pain whenever it is possible.

And as for Wade being too soft... Time to put that one to bed for good. I haven't heard one person say this was an easy camp.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Not this again.

If anyone remembers, Tony was really beat up most of the year, especially at the end. I'm sure he just means that he needs to try to lift even when he's beat up and sore.

Sometimes, like when his back gets hit so bad he can barely play (Giants game), it might be impossible, but he probably just wants to make more of an effort to push through the pain whenever it is possible.

And as for Wade being too soft... Time to put that one to bed for good. I haven't heard one person say this was an easy camp.

That's what I remember him saying, he was specifically talking about last year after his broken hand and bruised back. He said he maybe should have worked out more, but what's the chance of making thinks worse.

 

[DFWJC]

It sounds like this camp is not soft at all....just practical.

As for crashing at the end of the season. At least the last two years the team has been a pretty beat up team in the last quarter of the season and has had a crazy-hard schedule to boot. It is not as straight forward and simple-minded of some out there seem to want to make it. I'll omit the Philly game, b/c that was a travesty.

Unfortunatley, the last 4-5 games this year are also a real gauntlet.

 

[bbgun]

Cupcake? You try practicing in 100 degree Texas heat with pads and a helmet.

"But they're training in an air-conditioned dome."

Oh.

 

[tunahelper]

[Comment From Sam]
Wouldn't a soft camp cost you towards the end of the season when your conditioning really comes into play and your mental toughness as a team? I don't think strong starts to the year always indicate successful training camps. Wade is too easy on his players. It's why he's a career loser and won't win again this year.
9:51 Tim MacMahon: This is the kind of comment that goes in the comments section at the bottom of the post, by the way. But I approved this one because it makes an interesting point.

Sam, ugh CowboyJoe winning/losing in December is based on execution, not summer windsprints.

 

[Hostile]

I think Sam is a moron who doesn't have any earthly clue one way or the other.

 

[LandryFan]

and back then I remember people saying they were crashing and burning because Parcells was too rough on them and wore them out....go figure.....itll never be good enough

Lord knows I'll buy into the opinions of the wannabe coaches and GM's on this board before I'll buy inbto the real McCoys...sarcasm off...

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Maybe having a broken bone in his hand (not finger) and an injured back had a little bit to do with his training regimen.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Hostile, i think Sam made a very good point, due to what the writer said, he posted that in the comment section, which is mainly used for good comments. And the writer said thats a very good point.

My point is that going into november and december, the working out, discipline, like letting players have days off, needs to be looked at. Just like the trainer joe jurasakek, seems like to me, someone isnt keeping the players minds on football, working and staying in shape.

We all know the history of the cowboys falling apart in december, since 1996. Now, whether that corresponds to training hard in training camp, staying focused throughout the season I am not sure but I do think that has some merits to it.

Granted, bottom line, players have to want to, stay in shape, study your play book, stay in town when a big playoff game is coming, and not going to mexico. All of those things together has some things to do with the detoriation with this team in december I am sure.

I realize that as a team you get beat up during the year, thats understanable, but if you really really want a championship, you have to pay the price for that championship. Like Charles Haley said, if Aikman didnt keep the players straight in the huddle, doing things they needed to do, then that affects me. And if someone didnt want to do what Aikman told them, then I would take care of that player.

Thats leadership, like Jimmy Johnson hated to lose, so should the players. I think we have those players now some leaders on this team, Witten, Bradie James, Newman, Kosier, Columbo, Bennett, Choice, Scandrick, Ratlilff and Ware that will see that the tempo of the game is kept up. Even Wade I think to a large degree gets it, that you cant treat players like professionals, most of them you have to push them and make them work. And Wade is seeing totally over the defense now, tinkering and getting it better. The big key will be when this team hits that middle of the road, do they resort back to their old ways and not work, study, keep in shape, wade lets them have extra days off, which results in missed execution time in practice during the week. Only time will tell.

I remember an article about working out, staying in shape, if you dont stay on top of it, after 3 weeks your muscle mass shrinks somewhat, you lose some of the muscle mass you built up during the whole season. Thats the point I am trying to make, if the hard work and hitting during camp that isnt being done somewhat, shows up at the end of the year. I will admit that wades camp this year is tougher. I think wade finally sees that you cant treat these players like professionals and lightly.