Video: Wade shocked the world yesterday! - 12/16/08

[dcfanatic]

Every time Choice ran to the left he was suffocated. Until Garrett started calling running plays to the right half way through the 2nd quarter the running game would collapse while it went to the left. Choices best run was his TD run and he started out going to the right, then made a cut to the middle which he ran right up and once he got into their defensive backfield made the cut left.

There was no successful running on the left side all game. I don't remember 1 play. Garrett finally woke up and went right both running and passing later on in the game. Colombo had the best game of the group if you ask me. Bigg had 2 crucial penalties but was also productive. The 3 plays DC put in the video were the worst but there were a couple more until the plays started going right.

Proctor forces us to play with 2/3 of the field. That's a no-no in this league because teams are going to overload the strong side pretty soon to force us left. We all saw what happens when we go to the weak side. Proctors atrocious and a liability we can't afford down this stretch. We lose our QB because of this shlup and I want Wades head. "Best offensive lineman award", unreal! Tell him to hit the bricks.

But, but...

Wade knows football bro. He has forgotten more than we will ever know.

LOL.

And I would love to be in the meetings this week where Houck and Wade bring up the name Haloti Ngata and then laugh at him and say 'No problem, Procter will handle him".

 

[gmoney112]

But, but...

Wade knows football bro. He has forgotten more than we will ever know.

LOL.

And I would love to be in the meetings this week where Houck and Wade bring up the name Haloti Ngata and then laugh at him and say 'No problem, Procter will handle him".

it's wade's fault our 3rd stringer sucks? i don't get it. i dont think any team in the nfl has a 3rd stringer that's worth their weight

 

[AKATheRake]

We lived through people overreacting for half the season with some of the most important players on this defense on the bench. Remember the calls for press coverage with Pacman/Newman out of the lineup? Now, we get our key guys back, play the way most of us said we would all along, and the question is 'why wasn't Wade doing that sooner?' Aren't they obliged to at least throw in a couple of days of 'my bad' posts when proven completely wrong before they go off half-cocked in another direction, equally wrong?

Same thing going on now with the 'what's wrong with our offense' posts. What's wrong with the offense is we've been playing the Giants and Steelers. There, I said it. That's your answer. It's not Romo's pinky, and it's not Garrett's play calling. It's not Wade Phillips inattention to the offense. It's the teams we're playing. They're good, too.

You are right about our offense not looking so smooth because we played 2 top 3 defenses in a row and now will play 3 once we get to Baltimore. Philly is a top 6 defense as well. But the play calling hasn't been very good either on the offensive side of the ball. It took Garrett to long in my opinion against NYG to start protecting Romo back there with some quick outs and screens. Also going to the right side.

Garrett isn't moving T.O or RW around enough and 1 of those guys should be in motion to pull DB's a certain direction away from the others or risk getting burned for 25 - 40 yards. I see no crossing patterns. I see no slants for T.O and RW. I don't see us attacking the whole field. I see 3 guys on streaks or 2 T.O and RW streaking with Witten in the slot every passing play. We absolutely have no play action and that's because we can't get a decent running game going. Basically we are very predictable because we lack variety and don't spread the ball around in allarea's of the field. We do not dictate to good defenses, they dictate to us.

Yes we're playing good defenses but we are not creative on offense and we do not dictate to these aggressive defenses nor adjust quick enough to them. You know a guy is blitzing from a certain spot every 2nd pass then hot route someone to that area and burn them. Use their aggression against them. Then when they shell up the run game and the deep ball becomes more effective.

 

[Dallas]

dcfanatic

No offense man, but you are coming off like you are some mad scientist football guru. You are the be all who knows all.

Please excuse a brother if they have different opinions. Many in this thread do differ from what you are spinning.

Folks see things differently. I don't see Proctor being as bad as you point him out to be. I tend to take the whole game/games into perspective and not sit at home on my DVR picking out certain plays that validate my thread argument.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Every time Choice ran to the left he was suffocated. Until Garrett started calling running plays to the right half way through the 2nd quarter the running game would collapse while it went to the left. Choices best run was his TD run and he started out going to the right, then made a cut to the middle which he ran right up and once he got into their defensive backfield made the cut left.

Not sure about that at all.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d554fb

 

[khiladi]

If you take the entire sum of the game and not just three plays it becomes obvious that Proctor had his best game of the season. We had roughly 50 plus snaps (without looking it up) and he had several key blocks during some pivitol points in the game. His blocks sprung TC on some nice runs in the running game and on some screen plays. Is Proctor our best OL? No, not by a long shot but on Sunday he definitely contributed to the win.

Good point... While I think Proctor flat-out sucks, the guy was making some nice bulls to free Choice on the second line of defense... he also was pretty decent in some situations, but he did have some rounds where he got man-handled... and it looks like Dallas made an effort to keep orviding Proctor with help...

 

[khiladi]

You are right about our offense not looking so smooth because we played 2 top 3 defenses in a row and now will play 3 once we get to Baltimore. Philly is a top 6 defense as well. But the play calling hasn't been very good either on the offensive side of the ball. It took Garrett to long in my opinion against NYG to start protecting Romo back there with some quick outs and screens. Also going to the right side.

Garrett isn't moving T.O or RW around enough and 1 of those guys should be in motion to pull DB's a certain direction away from the others or risk getting burned for 25 - 40 yards. I see no crossing patterns. I see no slants for T.O and RW. I don't see us attacking the whole field. I see 3 guys on streaks or 2 T.O and RW streaking with Witten in the slot every passing play. We absolutely have no play action and that's because we can't get a decent running game going. Basically we are very predictable because we lack variety and don't spread the ball around in allarea's of the field. We do not dictate to good defenses, they dictate to us.


Yes we're playing good defenses but we are not creative on offense and we do not dictate to these aggressive defenses nor adjust quick enough to them. You know a guy is blitzing from a certain spot every 2nd pass then hot route someone to that area and burn them. Use their aggression against them. Then when they shell up the run game and the deep ball becomes more effective.

Hitting the nail on the head....BTW, I believe Wade made a point to praise Proctor as an OL, similar to how he praised Crayton for his punt returning, after ADam Jones got injured and Crayton was inserted back into the line-up.... He has no choice and it is positive re-inforcement I believe...

 

[dcfanatic]

it's wade's fault our 3rd stringer sucks? i don't get it. i dont think any team in the nfl has a 3rd stringer that's worth their weight

You don't get it.

I know he stinks.

The point is that he wasn't the 'offensive lineman of the game' the other night. He was given that by Wade for some nutty reason.

Like he wants to give him confidence or he wants to trick the Ravens or he wants to send a message to the other lineman or he wants to reward the kid for not stinking on every play, but only 80% of them or he wants to get out a preemptive strike to the media before everyone starts asking him why Procter stayed in his stance for 8 hours.

 

[AKATheRake]

it's wade's fault our 3rd stringer sucks? i don't get it. i dont think any team in the nfl has a 3rd stringer that's worth their weight

Proctor really was our 2nd stringer and is for center as well. Holland came in here as we know, needed to get acclimated with the blocking schemes and once he did became our # 2 and if he could stay healthy may even become the # 1 for next season. You are right, most teams don't run 3 deep at LG but Proctor has had more starts than any of our LG's including Kosier and that was also while Holland was healthy. Proctor was our 2nd stringer until Holland supplanted him.

No it is not Wades fault for us not being 3 deep at LG but it would be his fault if he thinks Proctor played better than any of our other OL against the G-Men and overlooked this liability on offense and allow this to continue. Now either Holland is getting healthy and can play or Wade needs to look at other contingencies like the other backups or maybe moving someone over to LG like Gurode and putting Proctor at center if he has to play. Or force Garrett to utilize play calling that will keep our QB in the whole game and maybe get the ball out quicker. How about getting the guy some help with the running back or TE in to block the weak side as well. Usually they should block the strong side but adjustments need to be made. We have T.O and RW who are 2 huge threats and yet everyone can just "T" off on us? Wade needs to realize this and push Garrett to consider this liability heavily into his offensive game planning. He's the HC and that's his job.

You guys think the Cardinals have this great offensive line or that Warner is so mobile that he eludes defenses. Both are very far from the truth of course. What makes that line playable is Boldin and Fitzegerald and Warner is getting that ball out quick because those 2 beat their man. They are also getting plays called that suite their skill sets. These aren't 2 speedsters, these are powerful ball hawking WR's that can go up and get the ball. Alot of quick outs in that Cardinal offense.

 

[Idgit]

You are right about our offense not looking so smooth because we played 2 top 3 defenses in a row and now will play 3 once we get to Baltimore. Philly is a top 6 defense as well. But the play calling hasn't been very good either on the offensive side of the ball. It took Garrett to long in my opinion against NYG to start protecting Romo back there with some quick outs and screens. Also going to the right side.

Garrett isn't moving T.O or RW around enough and 1 of those guys should be in motion to pull DB's a certain direction away from the others or risk getting burned for 25 - 40 yards. I see no crossing patterns. I see no slants for T.O and RW. I don't see us attacking the whole field. I see 3 guys on streaks or 2 T.O and RW streaking with Witten in the slot every passing play. We absolutely have no play action and that's because we can't get a decent running game going. Basically we are very predictable because we lack variety and don't spread the ball around in allarea's of the field. We do not dictate to good defenses, they dictate to us.

Yes we're playing good defenses but we are not creative on offense and we do not dictate to these aggressive defenses nor adjust quick enough to them. You know a guy is blitzing from a certain spot every 2nd pass then hot route someone to that area and burn them. Use their aggression against them. Then when they shell up the run game and the deep ball becomes more effective.

The TC touchdown was right through the hole Proctor made. They also had success with pulling Proctor on run downs later in the game. I'm not sure what you're seeing re: motion, because we motion our receivers. For play action to work, you need a legitimate interior run threat, and you can't be in max-protect.

I agree we don't run slants to Owens enough. I don't understand why that is. I also agree that Romo hasn't taken full advantage of secondary receivers open in some of their underneath routes. But without knowing his progressions, it's hard to blame that on play calling. Either way, good defenses can dictate to an offense, and until we can connect on some of the big-play opportunities that have been available, we're not going to be able to break games open on offense. Those big plays have been there, though; we've just had a hard time cashing them in the last two weeks.

 

[dcfanatic]

dcfanatic

No offense man, but you are coming off like you are some mad scientist football guru. You are the be all who knows all.

Please excuse a brother if they have different opinions. Many in this thread do differ from what you are spinning.

Folks see things differently. I don't see Proctor being as bad as you point him out to be. I tend to take the whole game/games into perspective and not sit at home on my DVR picking out certain plays that validate my thread argument.

I am?

I'm just not a 100% homer.

So you saw Procter as the best offensive lineman the other night worthy of praise at the presser?

And who went digging into the DVR to prove a point. Those plays were in the freaking highlights from ESPN. It took me less than 30 seconds to pull them because I remember saying over and over again 'Why the heck is Procter still starting at LG?".

Trust me if I go digging thru every play Procter had in the game I could make a 'do not do this kids' coaches film, lol.

And if your point would be that the other lineman weren't any good either I agree. No one should have even gotten a 'lineman of the game award'.

But do you think Wade would let a week go by and not give out awards?

 

[Skin]

Not sure about that at all.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d554fb

Please don't try to inject facts into the discussion. It rarely works with my five-year old either. Having said that, I can follow her logic better than many on this board.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am?

I'm just not a 100% homer.

So you saw Procter as the best offensive lineman the other night worthy of praise at the presser?

And who went digging into the DVR to prove a point. Those plays were in the freaking highlights from ESPN. It took me less than 30 seconds to pull them because I remember saying over and over again 'Why the heck is Procter still starting at LG?".

Trust me if I go digging thru every play Procter had in the game I could make a 'do not do this kids' coaches film, lol.

And if your point would be that the other lineman weren't any good either I agree. No one should have even gotten a 'lineman of the game award'.

But do you think Wade would let a week go by and not give out awards?

How many teams are that deep that they can put in a quality 3rd string player? Proctor is in because Kosier and now Holland are out. Proctor no doubt had problems as did the line but for the most part in the 2nd half they all showed some improvement

 

[dcfanatic]

The TC touchdown was right through the hole Proctor made. They also had success with pulling Proctor on run downs later in the game. I'm not sure what you're seeing re: motion, because we motion our receivers. For play action to work, you need a legitimate interior run threat, and you can't be in max-protect.

I agree we don't run slants to Owens enough. I don't understand why that is. I also agree that Romo hasn't taken full advantage of secondary receivers open in some of their underneath routes. But without knowing his progressions, it's hard to blame that on play calling. Either way, good defenses can dictate to an offense, and until we can connect on some of the big-play opportunities that have been available, we're not going to be able to break games open on offense. Those big plays have been there, though; we've just had a hard time cashing them in the last two weeks.

Procter was ok when pulling and when he had to get downfield to make blocks.

He just has no ability to hold his ground at the point of attack.

And his hands are not quick enough to jolt defenders 'swimming' around him.

He's more like a big TE blocking than anyting.

 

[Givincer]

I'm glad there's now a clip on the internet of Procter not coming out of his stance. Even if it isn't his fault, it's still hilarious to see.

However, if Wade said he played the best game out of our linemen, he probably did. For these awards, isn't each offensive lineman's play broken down and given a grade for the game? I don't think the award is just given out on a whim after the game. I could be wrong though.

 

[Idgit]

Procter was ok when pulling and when he had to get downfield to make blocks.

He just has no ability to hold his ground at the point of attack.

And his hands are not quick enough to jolt defenders 'swimming' around him.

He's more like a big TE blocking than anyting.

I don't want to get in too far defending Proctor. He's a backup who's been forced into the role of starter against some very good defensive teams. And he's being schemed against. He's not a very good drive blocker, and he whiffed badly on the Giants' first sack on Sunday. It's not fair to blame him for Gurode's mistake on the safety, though.

And I don't see the point in railing on him when there's clearly not a better option available. One whiff giving a player who's not ready can lose us our pro-bowl QB the same way it cost us our pro-bowl punter in AZ. We're much better sliding protection over and adjusting the game plan accordingly.

If we're able to connect on some of the plays in the passing game that have been available the last two weeks that we haven't made, that does more for backing off a blitzing defense than anything we can do to support CP would do. One big shot downfield on Saturday will slow Bmore down in what's going to be a one-possession game. They won't be able to afford to take big risks if we can make them pay for them.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm glad there's now a clip on the internet of Procter not coming out of his stance. Even if it isn't his fault, it's still hilarious to see.

However, if Wade said he played the best game out of our linemen, he probably did. For these awards, isn't each offensive lineman's play broken down and given a grade for the game? I don't think the award is just given out on a whim after the game. I could be wrong though.

Congrats on 1k.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think Proctor had a decent game. The online did play terrible it's not a stretch to say that he played better than the other guys cause they we're simply terrible.

 

[AKATheRake]

The TC touchdown was right through the hole Proctor made. They also had success with pulling Proctor on run downs later in the game. I'm not sure what you're seeing re: motion, because we motion our receivers. For play action to work, you need a legitimate interior run threat, and you can't be in max-protect.

I agree we don't run slants to Owens enough. I don't understand why that is. I also agree that Romo hasn't taken full advantage of secondary receivers open in some of their underneath routes. But without knowing his progressions, it's hard to blame that on play calling. Either way, good defenses can dictate to an offense, and until we can connect on some of the big-play opportunities that have been available, we're not going to be able to break games open on offense. Those big plays have been there, though; we've just had a hard time cashing them in the last two weeks.

That big run for the TD that T.C had started more to the right and then T.C made a cut to the middle and ran up it, no LB's within that 5 yard vicinity. Once T.C was getting into the defensive backfield he cut to his left and went for the TD. That was more Gurode isolating the DT to the right side than Proctor. I don't see Garrett switching which side T.O and RW will be on and I don't see RW or T.O in motion or hot routed enough. They were in motion a couple of time againt NYG which is improving but they need to motion and hot route them to where the blitzes are coming from more often. This will back the blitzer off or leave a hole to pass too.

I know what it takes to create play action and I never said to do it in max protect. Marion Barber and T.C are interior runners by the way but as I stated in the prior post we can't get play action going becase we can't get a decen't running game going early enough and glad we can agree there. We don't utilize Bigg enough I feel and Tony can gallop for a few yards himself at times, and although I'm happy he's become a better pocket passer, he's not using his legs like he used to to get out of it when it's going to collapse or when he can get a quick 5 yards.

It's another element defenses had to gameplan for that we are not utilizing anymore. That's Garrett, not Tony. The blocking schemes and original play calls are Garrett, not Tony. The hot routes and not reading the field right is Tony. Good defenses like we faced will do that to QB's but our OC has to call plays with the flow of the game that keep them honest and expose their weakness' as well. The Steeler's game I didn't see those adjustments. Until the 2 1/2 qtr against NYG I didn't either. If Wades defense doesn't keep the game close, which is his job, we fall behind greatly and that's when Tony forces things.

 

[AKATheRake]

I think Proctor had a decent game. The online did play terrible it's not a stretch to say that he played better than the other guys cause they we're simply terrible.

That right side played well enough considering who they were up against. Spagnuolo is a blitz happy DC that has guys who can get after the QB. He's just as aggressive as his defensive mentor Johnson down in Philly. These guys are going to get their sacks and they average about 3.5 a game as a defense. When Flo has Holland or Kosier playing beside him you will notice he doesn't get as many penalties. Proctor did not play better than the rest of the line. If Tony doesn't slap that ball out of the end zone or can'tcome back in to play, which was very possible they way he got decked, Proctor would not start another game for this team. Because we got out of that play with minimal repercussions people aren't on this guy so much. I have no clue what Wade saw out there. Proctologist was atrocious. He was no better this game than he has been all season.