Videos on somone recovering on Jaylon's type of injury

[waldoputty]

Hmmm, Jaylon has drop foot and is coming off a knee injury. Not sure when this race occurred but sounds somewhat doubtful.

it was discussed in another thread. there was a link to a cowboys talk type video/audio chat where this was discuss recently.

 

[waldoputty]

Maybe he could..

My reasons...

1. We play a simple defense..

2. He's been with the team and knows what to do..

3. Maliek Collins basically did it. He missed a lot of time and hit the ground running.

it just depends whether he is 100% recovered or not.
i dont think the mental part is that big a deal.
it is whether he is physically back and not going to reinjure himself somehow

 

[KJJ]

Not sure what's been more tiring, hearing about Smith's rehab from his injury or Gregory's failed drug tests. I just hope the Cowboys start using their second round picks on healthy, stable players from now on.

 

[tyke1doe]

Many 'updates' from organization saying he is getting better all the time...
Kind of matches this guy's story.
Where is Jaylon now, someone mentioned that Jaylon, Gregory and Tapper had a 50 yard race, and Tapper smoked them.
We can take that for what it is worth.
We have ~Nov 22nd to put him on the roster or put him on IR?
I think it all depends on where they think he will get to by the end of the year and the injury situation of the entire team.

Correction: Gregory smoked them.

 

[tyke1doe]

Not sure what's been more tiring, hearing about Smith's rehab from his injury or Gregory's failed drug tests. I just hope the Cowboys start using their second round picks on healthy, stable players from now on.

Initially, I thought this was a report from Jaylon himself. After I learned it was someone not named Jaylon Smith, I kind of sighed and thought, "Not ANOTHER thread speculating on Jaylon's recovery."

I propose a moratorium on any story about Jaylon Smith that does not involve a personal doctor of Jaylon's, Coach Garrett or Jaylon himself saying his nerve is healing/firing because THAT'S the information we're waiting to hear.

All in favor say ...

 

[waldoputty]

Not sure what's been more tiring, hearing about Smith's rehab from his injury or Gregory's failed drug tests. I just hope the Cowboys start using their second round picks on healthy, stable players from now on.

cowboys seem to have a consistent draft strategy:
1. take BPA mostly conservative to insure value.
2. target high ceiling players with high 1st round potential that dropped due to injury or other factors. the only exception being Witten insurance Escobar (2013, and they have consistently done that also).

we got 2 of our current starters this way in lawrence (2014) and lee (2010), with lee being borderline probowler.
2011 was Bruce Carter was a starter, while 2013 was traded for Mo.
the only bust is Gregory (2015) with Escobar (2013) being Witten insurance.

you can only argue 2 out of 6 have been busts.
3 out of 6 have been starters.
1 out of 6 is TBD - Jaylen.

if jaylen succeeds, then the 2nd round has been a significant success compared to the average draft statistically.
even if jaylen fails, then the 2nd round still has been better than average compared to the average draft statistically - because 2nd round DLs has only a 26% chance of being a starter.
you have to take the good with the bad.

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

 

[KJJ]

cowboys seem to have a consistent draft strategy:
1. take BPA mostly conservative to insure value.
2. target high ceiling players with high 1st round potential that dropped due to injury or other factors. the only exception being Witten insurance Escobar (2013, and they have consistently done that also).

we got 2 of our current starters this way in lawrence (2014) and lee (2010), with lee being borderline probowler.
2011 was Bruce Carter was a starter, while 2013 was traded for Mo.
the only bust is Gregory (2015) with Escobar (2013) being Witten insurance.

you can only argue 2 out of 6 have been busts.
3 out of 6 have been starters.
1 out of 6 is TBD - Jaylen.

if jaylen succeeds, then the 2nd round has been a significant success compared to the average draft statistically.
even if jaylen fails, then the 2nd round still has been better than average compared to the average draft statistically - because 2nd round DLs has only a 26% chance of being a starter.
you have to take the good with the bad.

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

Their draft strategy in the second round has been to take TEs they have no need for or injured, high risk players that fell to the second round due to health or drug issues. They've played it real safe with their first round picks and it's paid off but once the second arrives we start gambling.

 

[KJJ]

Initially, I thought this was a report from Jaylon himself. After I learned it was someone not named Jaylon Smith, I kind of sighed and thought, "Not ANOTHER thread speculating on Jaylon's recovery."

I propose a moratorium on any story about Jaylon Smith that does not involve a personal doctor of Jaylon's, Coach Garrett or Jaylon himself saying his nerve is healing/firing because THAT'S the information we're waiting to hear.

All in favor say ...

They should create a Forum just for him where all these threads go. It's become very tiring seeing threads about his injury. I didn't like the pick and seeing all these threads about his rehab don't help.

 

[waldoputty]

Their draft strategy in the second round has been to take TEs they have no need for or injured, high risk players that fell to the second round due to health or drug issues. They've played it real safe with their first round picks and it's paid off but once the second arrives we start gambling.

true, but statistically it has worked out better than average for them.

players get to the 2nd round instead of the 1st because there is more risk.
it is just which risk you take.

if you want to go more conservative, then the risk is whether the player is even talented enough to become a starter.
instead, they have been taking more talents players with injury risk or character risk.

even with the benefit of 20/20 hind sight, it is not easy to pick a highly rated edge rush player where jaylen was picked.
where is your edge rush player???
one can argue sheperd the WR but he does not play defense.
noah spence did anything? and he was character risk.
myles jack did anything and he is injury risk.
chris jones is a DT and we were targeting collins in the 3rd round
ragland is MLB with limited range - with hindsight he is out for the year

1(32) Browns Ogbah, Emmanuel DE 6'4" 273 Oklahoma St. 6.0
2(33) Titans Dodd, Kevin DE 6'5" 277 Clemson 6.2
3(34) Cowboys Smith, Jaylon OLB 6'2" 223 Notre Dame 5.4
4(35) Chargers Henry, Hunter TE 6'5" 250 Arkansas 6.2
5(36) Jaguars (From Ravens) Jack, Myles OLB 6'1" 245 UCLA 7.3
6(37) Chiefs (From 49ers) Jones, Chris DT 6'6" 310 Mississippi St. 6.2
7(38) Dolphins (From Ravens through Jaguars) Howard, Xavien CB 6'0" 201 Baylor 5.6
8(39) Buccaneers Spence, Noah DE 6'2" 251 Eastern Kentucky 5.9
9(40) Giants Shepard, Sterling WR 5'10" 194 Oklahoma 5.9
10(41) Bills (From Bears) Ragland, Reggie ILB 6'1" 247 Alabama 6.4
11(42) Ravens (From Dolphins) Correa, Kamalei DE 6'3" 243 Boise St. 5.8
12(43) Titans (From Eagles through Rams) Johnson, Austin NT 6'4" 314 Penn St. 5.9
13(44) Raiders Ward, Jihad DE 6'5" 297 Illinois 5.6
14(45) Titans (From Rams) Henry, Derrick RB 6'3" 247 Alabama 6.1
15(46) Lions Robinson, A'Shawn DT 6'4" 307 Alabama 6.3

 

[Irvin88_4life]

My friend works at The Star. She says he's not coming back this season. I believe her over Internet speculation, since she talks to Stephen and Garrett at least once a week.

I got a friend that works there too and he said that Jaylon can play right now but we are milking it so the Giants don't cry to Goodell since Jaylon doctor is on our staff. He said Jaylon will play this season

 

[waldoputty]

I got a friend that works there too and he said that Jaylon can play right now but we are milking it so the Giants don't cry to Goodell since Jaylon doctor is on our staff. He said Jaylon will play this season

lol, we shall all know in 2 weeks if he is put on the roster, or not

 

[Irvin88_4life]

lol, we shall all know in 2 weeks if he is put on the roster, or not

Haha, it's just funny to read "insider" info from people

 

[LandryFan]

Many 'updates' from organization saying he is getting better all the time...
Kind of matches this guy's story.
Where is Jaylon now, someone mentioned that Jaylon, Gregory and Tapper had a 50 yard race, and Tapper smoked them.
We can take that for what it is worth.
We have ~Nov 22nd to put him on the roster or put him on IR?
I think it all depends on where they think he will get to by the end of the year and the injury situation of the entire team.

The answer to the mystery should reveal itself within a couple of weeks. I say "should" reveal itself because he could be progressing just fine and the nerve firing at some level and they could still elect to place him on IR without explaining why. My hope is that they activate him off of NFI. If they do that, we'll know that he'll be a go next year for sure, if not this year!

 

[KJJ]

true, but statistically it has worked out better than average for them.

players get to the 2nd round instead of the 1st because there is more risk.
it is just which risk you take.

if you want to go more conservative, then the risk is whether the player is even talented enough to become a starter.
instead, they have been taking more talents players with injury risk or character risk.

even with the benefit of 20/20 hind sight, it is not easy to pick a highly rated edge rush player where jaylen was picked.
where is your edge rush player???
one can argue sheperd the WR but he does not play defense.
noah spence did anything? and he was character risk.
myles jack did anything and he is injury risk.
chris jones is a DT and we were targeting collins in the 3rd round
ragland is MLB with limited range - with hindsight he is out for the year

1(32) Browns Ogbah, Emmanuel DE 6'4" 273 Oklahoma St. 6.0
2(33) Titans Dodd, Kevin DE 6'5" 277 Clemson 6.2
3(34) Cowboys Smith, Jaylon OLB 6'2" 223 Notre Dame 5.4
4(35) Chargers Henry, Hunter TE 6'5" 250 Arkansas 6.2
5(36) Jaguars (From Ravens) Jack, Myles OLB 6'1" 245 UCLA 7.3
6(37) Chiefs (From 49ers) Jones, Chris DT 6'6" 310 Mississippi St. 6.2
7(38) Dolphins (From Ravens through Jaguars) Howard, Xavien CB 6'0" 201 Baylor 5.6
8(39) Buccaneers Spence, Noah DE 6'2" 251 Eastern Kentucky 5.9
9(40) Giants Shepard, Sterling WR 5'10" 194 Oklahoma 5.9
10(41) Bills (From Bears) Ragland, Reggie ILB 6'1" 247 Alabama 6.4
11(42) Ravens (From Dolphins) Correa, Kamalei DE 6'3" 243 Boise St. 5.8
12(43) Titans (From Eagles through Rams) Johnson, Austin NT 6'4" 314 Penn St. 5.9
13(44) Raiders Ward, Jihad DE 6'5" 297 Illinois 5.6
14(45) Titans (From Rams) Henry, Derrick RB 6'3" 247 Alabama 6.1
15(46) Lions Robinson, A'Shawn DT 6'4" 307 Alabama 6.3

Our second round picks haven't turned out real well the past decade. We've had 3 second round TEs since 06 not pan out. Bruce Carter didn't pan out and neither did Gregory. I don't have time to go through the entire list of all the second round picks that haven't worked out but it hasn't been a very good round for us. I've already listed 5 in the past 10 years that didn't pan out and the jury is out on Smith.

 

[waldoputty]

The answer to the mystery should reveal itself within a couple of weeks. I say "should" reveal itself because he could be progressing just fine and the nerve firing at some level and they could still elect to place him on IR without explaining why. My hope is that they activate him off of NFI. If they do that, we'll know that he'll be a go next year for sure, if not this year!

Dr. Jerry caused lot of misconceptions.
The nerve cell(s) never died and has been firing (functional) all this time.
The problem is the part of the nerve cell(s) between the knee and the muscle(s) died after the accident.
So even though the nerve cells(s) is firing, the signal is not getting to the muscle(s).
This is where the regeneration is needed.

According to every medical expert report and discussion, this type of nerve regrowth almost always happens.
It is a matter of how well and how quickly.
The slower it happens beyond a certain threshold, the lower the chance of full recovery.

All the doctors seem to think he will have a very good recovery.
Though no one will say that it will be good enough for high-end football.
We will know a lot more in 2 weeks... though a lot of that will be based on the overall injury situation.

 

[LandryFan]

I got a friend that works there too and he said that Jaylon can play right now but we are milking it so the Giants don't cry to Goodell since Jaylon doctor is on our staff. He said Jaylon will play this season

I fail to see how Dallas's team Dr being Smith's surgeon has anything to do with anything. Someone had to do the surgery and the list of those qualified is fairly short. The NFL can't make up a rule saying the Cowboys are inelible to draft him because their surgeon operated on him (well, maybe they can but they would have had to do that back when). As for Mara, I don't think he has the power that a lot of people on here claim him to have, but that's JMO.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I fail to see how Dallas's team Dr being Smith's surgeon has anything to do with anything. Someone had to do the surgery and the list of those qualified is fairly short. The NFL can't make up a rule saying the Cowboys are inelible to draft him because their surgeon operated on him (well, maybe they can but they would have had to do that back when). As for Mara, I don't think he has the power that a lot of people on here claim him to have, but that's JMO.

Think about it. Giants can say Dallas has insider info on Jaylon and that's why they drafted him at the top of the 2nd giving other teams unfair advantage. Has nothing to do with being able to draft him or not

 

[waldoputty]

Our second round picks haven't turned out real well the past decade. We've had 3 second round TEs since 06 not pan out. Bruce Carter didn't pan out and neither did Gregory. I don't have time to go through the entire list of all the second round picks that haven't worked out but it hasn't been a very good round for us. I've already listed 5 in the past 10 years that didn't pan out and the jury is out on Smith.

The 2nd round is NOT supposed to work out as well as the 1st round.
The players are either less talented, and/or have injury/character issues.

If you look at the statistics of 2nd round player becoming starters, it is not close to 100%.
It is 55% for LB and 26% for DL.
Bruce Carter was a starter at Dallas and I believe after Dallas.
So to be fair to the statistics, he was in the 55% part of the statistics.
The statistics did not say become a pro-bowler, just a starter.

3x2nd round TE is frustrating, but that is not due to injury.
It is due to Jason Witten being unbelievably-long football prime.
No one would have expected that, and they were simply planning for the inevitable that did not happen.
To complain about that is simply playing monday morning quarterback.

Jason Garrett become coach in 2010, so I start the clock there.

The simple numbers say since 2009, 3 starters, 1 bust, 1 sort-of bust and 1 tbd.
Our 2nd round draft picks have worked out to be better than average.
If Jaylon is a home run, our 2nd round record would be much better than average.

 

[waldoputty]

Think about it. Giants can say Dallas has insider info on Jaylon and that's why they drafted him at the top of the 2nd giving other teams unfair advantage. Has nothing to do with being able to draft him or not

Even after the nerve makes a connection, it is a long recovery.
The person's recovery story seems to mirror what the Cowboys and Jaylen have been saying.
His injury is worse though, and Jaylen is probably a fiend in rehab.
So we have hope.
I personally give it 20%.

 

[LandryFan]

Think about it. Giants can say Dallas has insider info on Jaylon and that's why they drafted him at the top of the 2nd giving other teams unfair advantage. Has nothing to do with being able to draft him or not

I know what you're saying, but I really don't think Mara can do a darn thing about it at this point. The only info that Dallas may have had that others didn't would have been in the form of an off-the-record comment/opinion from the doctor. All he is obligated to say to the league is what the procedure was and whether the surgery went as planned or there were any complications during the surgery. I doubt he or any other doctor is required to state his/her opinion on recovery percentages. I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure this is not the first time a draft eligible player coming into the draft has been operated on by a team physician/specialist. It has never been an issue before and it won't be now, IMO.