Wade v Tomlin

[YosemiteSam]

Yup. People saying Tomlin is the best buds or "relates better" don't have a clue. There was a point at which the players were talking about how they liked him because of what he demanded of them and so forth, a complementary statement.

Tomlin's response?

"I coach, they play. Mutual respect is required and the reality is they're here to please me".

And he said this in early December, this isn't a coach showing bravado after winning the big one. This is not a guy out there making friends, he's there to lead. Since when is a leader a figurehead?

Yep, like Jimmy. You couldn't dream of being Jimmy's friend unless you were producing. Tomlin is friendly with a lot of players on the Steelers, but obviously, the Steelers as a team are producing.

 

[bigE79]

I'm kinda wondering what Tomlin does besides chest bump players. He doesn't draft players or sign free agents -- i.e., doesn't have GM-type duties. The defense certainly isn't his defense. And he's not an offensive guy.

He's basically just a figurehead.

Sounds like switzer part 2:laugh2:

 

[bigE79]

How may teams interviewed Tomlin besides Pittsburgh? Don't accuse the Cowboys organization or posters on this board of racism just because the Steelers took a chance on a guy that didn't have any head coaching or even coordinator experience at the time and ended up winning the Super Bowl. In retrospect, it was a good hire by Pitt, but nobody really knew it at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 and does not make anyone a racist.

IMO,the rooneys had no choice,how would the rooney rule look if they didnt hire a minority

 

[TheCount]

IMO,the rooneys had no choice,how would the rooney rule look if they didnt hire a minority

It would look like they hired the best coach for the job, which is what the rule is about. It doesn't force you to hire anyone.

The fact that they thought Tomlin was best and he's already rewarded them only strengthens the fundamentals of the rule.

 

[bigE79]

It would look like they hired the best coach for the job, which is what the rule is about. It doesn't force you to hire anyone.

The fact that they thought Tomlin was best and he's already rewarded them only strengthens the fundamentals of the rule.

No offence but you are wrong on this...i agree with that for 31 teams but if you think that if the steelers hired a white coach there wouldnt be a backlash of criticism at the rooneys,you fooling yourself

 

[DallasDomination]

Phillips demands no respect from players. hey go out there on pure talent with different highs and lows with no heart or desire to be great. The Cowboys dont play 60 minutes of hard grid iron football. They play a glamour " We're better then you" football and as soon as they get hit int eh face they crumble like little punks.


We need a real head coach and some real Players with heart.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I scratched my head when Tomlin was hired, but I think he's proven to be a good hire by them and not just because of the super bowl.

I shrugged when Wade was hired and I'm still meh on him.

I, too, scratched my head over Tomlin's hiring at first.

but there is no comparison now. Tomlin has won two playoff games (on his first try) and a Super Bowl.

I also scratched my head when Wade was hired.
Wade has not won a single playoff game as HC and a Super Bowl as HC for him is as unlikely as Jerra moving the team to Ardmore, Okla.

Congrats, Tomlin, you ol' chest-bumper!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Phillips demands no respect from players. hey go out there on pure talent with different highs and lows with no heart or desire to be great. The Cowboys dont play 60 minutes of hard grid iron football. They play a glamour " We're better then you" football and as soon as they get hit int eh face they crumble like little punks.


We need a real head coach and some real Players with heart.

Brutally honest but true.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

It would look like they hired the best coach for the job, which is what the rule is about. It doesn't force you to hire anyone.

The fact that they thought Tomlin was best and he's already rewarded them only strengthens the fundamentals of the rule.

The guy just won a Super Bowl, not sure how much more proof you need that he was qualified and it had nothing to do with his race.

 

[adbutcher]

No offence but you are wrong on this...i agree with that for 31 teams but if you think that if the steelers hired a white coach there wouldnt be a backlash of criticism at the rooneys,you fooling yourself

This is a classic example of wrong-headed thinking. Just because you live in a rigid world where progress is not being made does not mean the rest of us does. Here is some friendly advice, free your mind and your *** will follow.

 

[adbutcher]

It would look like they hired the best coach for the job, which is what the rule is about. It doesn't force you to hire anyone.

The fact that they thought Tomlin was best and he's already rewarded them only strengthens the fundamentals of the rule.

 

[DuaneThomas71]

I'm kinda wondering what Tomlin does besides chest bump players. He doesn't draft players or sign free agents -- i.e., doesn't have GM-type duties. The defense certainly isn't his defense. And he's not an offensive guy.

He's basically just a figurehead.

You have that hunch, too?

The Steelers won it all just 3 years ago with largely the same nucleus of players, but under a different coach. I think the players might have something to do with it.

Maybe it's the chemistrryyyyy.

 

[bigE79]

This is a classic example of wrong-headed thinking. Just because you live in a rigid world where progress is not being made does not mean the rest of us does. Here is some friendly advice, free your mind and your *** will follow.

You can think what you want but there is NO WAY IN HELL rooney was not going to hire a minority coach after implementing HIS RULE to help get more minorities hired and if you cannot understand this then maybe you need to get your head out of your ***

 

[dfense]

Grass = Greener

 

[Clove]

Steelers wouldn't even have a winning record without Dick LeBeau. Not a chance in hell they reach the Superbowl. Tomlin, however, is a top-notch chest bumper probably the best in the NFL. I heard Tomlin in an interview on NFL network. Pat kirwan was asking him specific strategy questions about blitzes and other things. Tomlin sounded totally clueless. All he talked about was bringing intensity and emotional stuff. He couldn't answer any questions that Kirwan was asking him.

So you're saying he doesn't know what he's doing? And someone else is suggesting that others are running the team, he's just there? Why didn't they just hire the DC then?

I guess you and me both could go win with the Steelers.

 

[Switz]

looks like Tomlin would have been the better choice here in Dallas... the Cowboys problem is not talent, the problem is the Cowboys come out flat and have a general lack of interest thanks to their head coach.

Wade was a nice contrast to Parcells but Tomlin would have been as well along with almost any other coach. Now, that we know Wade is not the answer and Jerry cant afford to change coaches like undergarments we are left with the hope that Wade will change... which begs the question how does someone who has been doing something 1 way for as long as Wade change? a nice dream!

Granted when Tomlin was hired by the Steelers I was like "who? they hired him because of the rule" now as the Steelers win the Super Bowl with an Oline that reminds me of the Cowboys 02 line... leaves us with this.

...the fact that Jerry had everyone in Valley Ranch after Parcells, but didnt interview Tomlin shows how much Jerry fishing with a frying pan!

Parcells was our HC and had not resigned when Tomlin was hired...

Actually Bill screwed us out of interviewing the top canidates by risigning so late

 

[miamicowboy21]

I'm kinda wondering what Tomlin does besides chest bump players. He doesn't draft players or sign free agents -- i.e., doesn't have GM-type duties. The defense certainly isn't his defense. And he's not an offensive guy.

He's basically just a figurehead.

Tomlin is leader a leader of men, something Wade isn't. Look at the change in the forty-niners when singletary took over. Call him what you want, but the steelers respond to him and they respect him.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't think you know what figurehead means.

Yes, I do. I've used the term before. I also know what coach means too.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think anyone with clear vision can see Tomlin is a better coach than Phillips.

If you want to argue that Tomlin is merely a caretaker, I don't see how you can't say the same for Phillips. Both took over talented teams, yet in two years the Steelers not only improved, they won a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, in Dallas, Phillips regressed in two years from a 13-3 team with home field advantage to a 9-7 team that got demoralized in a game they had to win to get to the playoffs.

But what does it matter, really? "Figurehead," "real coach," "caretalker," "player friendly" "disciplinarian" who cares? The bottom line is that under his leadership, he took his team to a Super Bowl in his second and won it.

You can call him whatever you want, all that's subjective. The bottom line, objective data says that for this year you can call him a WINNER.

Give me a figurehead who can coach this Dallas Cowboys team to a Super Bowl and call him whatever you want. I'll be more impressed with the bling and the win, thank you.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I think anyone with clear vision can see Tomlin is a better coach than Phillips.

If you want to argue that Tomlin is merely a caretaker, I don't see how you can't say the same for Phillips. Both took over talented teams, yet in two years the Steelers not only improved, they won a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, in Dallas, Phillips regressed in two years from a 13-3 team with home field advantage to a 9-7 team that got demoralized in a game they had to win to get to the playoffs.

But what does it matter, really? "Figurehead," "real coach," "caretalker," "player friendly" "disciplinarian" who cares? The bottom line is that under his leadership, he took his team to a Super Bowl in his second and won it.

You can call him whatever you want, all that's subjective. The bottom line, objective data says that for this year you can call him a WINNER.

Give me a figurehead who can coach this Dallas Cowboys team to a Super Bowl and call him whatever you want. I'll be more impressed with the bling and the win, thank you.

You would have to be a big Dallas Cowboys shill to even say otherwise.