Wait a second. Ware isn't All Pro?

[TheSport78]

So you watched Green Bay games instead of Cowboys since they both started at the same time most weeks.

I watched Ware every game this year and I watch him pressure the QB consistently and throw on a sack here and there then after the game I hear people say he disappeared and didnt do anything.

Thats what fans seem to do they always look at players on their team more critically than players on other teams

Yup, the Cowboys and Packers usually both played at the same time. A grand total of FOUR TIMES this year, and that includes the meaningless game @ Philly in week 17 for us. Good stat though, man.

I watched every Cowboys play this year as well, and I saw something completely different from you. We'll leave it at that because I won't convince you otherwise. You happen to be a "special" fan that sees the truth, while fans "like me" are blind and are overcritical all the time.

 

[BigDFan5]

Yup, the Cowboys and Packers usually both played at the same time. A grand total of FOUR TIMES this year, and that includes the meaningless game @ Philly in week 17 for us. Good stat though, man.

I watched every Cowboys play this year as well, and I saw something completely different from you. We'll leave it at that because I won't convince you otherwise. You happen to be a "special" fan that sees the truth, while fans "like me" are blind and are overcritical all the time.

I may have been mistaken about the times my apologies


why do you always go back to name calling here we are having a civil conversation and again you start up with the "special fan" BS I am giving my opinion and what I see is many many times Ware has a great game and some fans downplay it because he didn't get 5 sacks and 15 pressures and 20 tackles


But I can see you are unable to carry on a decent conversation as you are too eager to get some shots in so I will bow out now

 

[TheSport78]

So you watched Green Bay games instead of Cowboys since they both started at the same time most weeks.

I watched Ware every game this year and I watch him pressure the QB consistently and throw on a sack here and there then after the game I hear people say he disappeared and didnt do anything.

Thats what fans seem to do they always look at players on their team more critically than players on other teams

why do you always go back to name calling here we are having a civil conversation and again you start up with the "special fan" BS I am giving my opinion and what I see is many many times Ware has a great game and some fans downplay it because he didn't get 5 sacks and 15 pressures and 20 tackles


But I can see you are unable to carry on a decent conversation as you are too eager to get some shots in so I will bow out now

No, you do it too, like the part I bolded. But I guess you just do it in a nicer way. You implied I didn't watch all of Dallas' games when I haven't missed a game in over 10 years. I watch the games just like you, and we happen to have a different opinion.

I assumed when you were talking about fans who downplay players like Ware, you were talking about me. If that was the case, then you were being just as critical as I was about you. It's nothing personal on this board. I like a good debate.

 

[Hoofbite]

Didn't say all 3 played better. To me, Clay Matthews played better. Ware had 2 more sacks, but you have to atleast acknowledge that 3 came against Philly's back-ups. As far as Tamba Hali and Cameron Wake, I said it would be fair if any of them made it, thus it's not a travesty or a snub if Ware doesn't.

Don't you have to acknowledge that 6 of Matthews sacks came in the first 2 weeks of the season and that he finished the last 7 games with a grand total of like 3 sacks?

Don't you?

We could go all day looking for reasons why one or the other isn't worthy, or we could just cut the crap and give both men their dues.

 

[BigDFan5]

No, you do it too, like the part I bolded. But I guess you just do it in a nicer way. You implied I didn't watch all of Dallas' games when I haven't missed a game in over 10 years. I watch the games just like you, and we happen to have a different opinion.

No it was just a question based on my false assumption that a majority of the games started at the same time although I did use the wrong punctuation. I have no doubt you are a Cowboys fan

I assumed when you were talking about fans who downplay players like Ware, you were talking about me. If that was the case, then you were being just as critical as I was about you. It's nothing personal on this board. I like a good debate.

If I were speaking about you directly I would have said "you" instead of "some fans"

 

[TheSport78]

No it was just a question based on my false assumption that a majority of the games started at the same time although I did use the wrong punctuation. I have no doubt you are a Cowboys fan


If I were speaking about you directly I would have said "you" instead of "some fans"

Good point. I apologize for being rude, man.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Which one of those 15.5 sacks helped us make the playoffs?

Why should Witten be all pro based by your playoff requirement? Idiot...

 

[BigDFan5]

Good point. I apologize for being rude, man.

No problem man

 

[Illini88228]

Can we make a permanent Ware vs. Matthews thread so that this ongoing and rather pointless debate doesn't have to takeover every thread in which ware is mentioned?

 

[perrykemp]

Can we make a permanent Ware vs. Matthews thread so that this ongoing and rather pointless debate doesn't have to takeover every thread in which ware is mentioned?

Every other thread on CZ is:

Ware vs Matthews

OR

Romo vs Rogers

before you know it, it will probably be extended to:

Alan Ball vs Nick Collins

and

Mike Jenkins vs Charles Woodson

 

[Illini88228]

Every other thread on CZ is:

Ware vs Matthews

OR

Romo vs Rogers

before you know it, it will probably be extended to:

Alan Ball vs Nick Collins

and

Mike Jenkins vs Charles Woodson

It really reminds me of the Roy Williams vs. Sean Taylor debates where it didn't matter why either of them were being mentioned, as soon as people saw those two names they launched into the debate.

I understand that one of the functions of a message board is for people to debate about the team, but it's become painfully obvious that none of these people are going to change their minds.

Matthews peaked early statistically, seemed more dominant to some observers, but doesn't have as good of statistics. Though he did miss one game.

Ware has better stats but some complain that he disappeared at times and padded his stats against inferior competition.

Regardless of either arguments merit, that's all either side has said in two long threads that often degenerate into name-calling or questioning people's fan-hood. It just doesn't seem worthwhile. So, if they would pick one thread and debate in there, it would be easy to ignore. Instead this seems like it's going to takeover multiple threads even those that are only marginally related to the debate.

 

[jimmy40]

It really reminds me of the Roy Williams vs. Sean Taylor debates where it didn't matter why either of them were being mentioned, as soon as people saw those two names they launched into the debate.

I understand that one of the functions of a message board is for people to debate about the team, but it's become painfully obvious that none of these people are going to change their minds.

Matthews peaked early statistically, seemed more dominant to some observers, but doesn't have as good of statistics. Though he did miss one game.

Ware has better stats but some complain that he disappeared at times and padded his stats against inferior competition.

Regardless of either arguments merit, that's all either side has said in two long threads that often degenerate into name-calling or questioning people's fan-hood. It just doesn't seem worthwhile. So, if they would pick one thread and debate in their, it would be easy to ignore. Instead this seems like it's going to takeover multiple threads even those that are only marginally related to the debate.

you should have been here for Quincy vs Hutch, and that was arguing over who should start at QB when neither one should have been a ball boy.

 

[Illini88228]

you should have been here for Quincy vs Hutch, and that was arguing over who should start at QB when neither one should have been a ball boy.

Oh I was on another account, to me though which one is greater, doesn't apply to Quincy vs. Hutch. They were both just terrible. Those were dark days.

 

[ringmaster]

Sigh. Also no way Clay had a better year.

The media is all up Clay Matthews' *** these days and the guy is a very good player but there is no way he's better than Ware.

Green Bay Packers are the media darling team so they will say Matthews, had a better year and look out the Casey Matthews lovefest is looming especially when he made that play against Cam Newton in the championship game this past Monday night.

I could care less whether or not Ware makes the All-Pro team but that will not diminish his importance to Cowboys defense.

 

[ringmaster]

Guys kills me when they bring up Clay Matthews. I mean I LOVE his game. And its debatable whether or not he had a season better than Ware. But I notice that a lot of Cowboy fans watch his highlights and remember how he took advantage of a just about done Marc Columbo and think he's better than Ware. I've had this conversation with a lot of Cowboy fans. He has a GREAT motor but his coverage skills are subpar. He was a great player on a contender. Respect. But Ware's season was just as good. And I don't even know why Wake or Hali are being brought up. There's no way they were good as Ware this season.

Great point Matthews came from the USC Trojans a national powerhouse, and Ware came from the Troy Trojans at the end of the day if they were to get drafted all over again which one would they pick definitely not the player from Troy.

All around Ware is the better player just imagine if he was in Green Bay, and Matthews was here in Dallas the same people claiming Matthews had a better season would say Ware had the better season under Capers.

Crystal Meth is a dangerous drug if some fans actually say that Tamba Hali, and Cameron Wake was better than Ware this season.

 

[ringmaster]

how many sacks did Mathews have against starters????

also Ware had those sacks against NFL players back ups or not. backups play in the NFL that is the way that it is.

also Ware gets a lot of attention.
if I had to guess I would say Ware gets game plan just for him more often than young Mathews at this point

That's true because Charles Woodson, rushes the passer just as much as Matthews does in that scheme it helps when you have good players around you.

 

[ringmaster]

Yeah it's a shame when Ware is dinged up (as he has been for a few points over the last couple of years) that he doesn't have those Roids that Matthews does to help him comeback stronger.

But, yeah, keep thinking that Matthews was so much better this year. The silly notion suits you.

This why I hope Green Bay loses to the Falcons tonight because the Matthews mancrushes are getting creepy around here.

 

[superpunk]

He didn't play like an All Pro this year. There's more to it than sacks.

Say more dumb things for me.

 

[tyke1doe]

Why is everyone up in arms because of the idea Ware didn't have an all-pro year? His "off" years are better than most guys career years.

Because the Cowboys didn't make the playoffs so we fans must have something to redeem this season.

 

[tyke1doe]

Didn't say all 3 played better. To me, Clay Matthews played better. Ware had 2 more sacks, but you have to atleast acknowledge that 3 came against Philly's back-ups. As far as Tamba Hali and Cameron Wake, I said it would be fair if any of them made it, thus it's not a travesty or a snub if Ware doesn't.

I agree.