Want to ask an honest question about Jerry

[ABQCOWBOY]

We all know that Jerry has made mistakes in the past. Some more costly then others. However, Jerry does not and has never struck me as a stupid man. Thinking back, can anybody remember Jerry making the same mistakes twice? I can't really remember that too much. My memory of things is not as good as it once was. If anybody can remember him repeating mistakes, can you outline them?

I just have a real hard time believing that Jerry is going to trade the farm for McFadden and I'm wondering if maybe we are being too hard on Jerry Jones over something that he may not have any intentions of doing.

 

[locked&loaded]

not one, but two first round picks for galloway.

that one stung.

 

[Fmart322]

not one, but two first round picks for galloway.

that one stung.

Yea, that one did sting but galloway got hurt and missed the season his first game as a Cowboy plus Aikman got hurt the next season and retired. If that didn't happen to both players then the trade would have seemed a little easier to take. After Aikman retired there wasn't a QB to get the ball to JG.

 

[Hostile]

Jerry's biggest problem is the post 90's preception of him as a meddling owner is never going to go away unless the Cowboys win another Super Bowl.

I told dbair1967 this morning via PM that if I were in Jerry's shoes I wouldn't have brought Campo back under any circumstance. Even if he had nothing whatsoever to do with him coming back, the perception will be that the dark clouds of yesteryear are forming again.

Every move Jerry makes is scrutinized to the nth degree and I'm as guilty of that as anyone. I'll tell you when I started cutting Jerry Jones some slack. When he left the game to go to the hopsital with Michael Irvin. I've never seen any other owner do that. I knew right then and there that he loved the players as much or even more than I do.

Every team has bad drafts. Jerry will never live his down among Cowboys fans because we all felt the knife twist when "any of 500 guys can coach this team" and we saw the downward spiral begin.

That Jerry Jones persona has not been evident since January 2, 2003 and I see no reason to continue to filet him for moves that cannot be taken back. I understand why others do though. There were some truly bonehead decisions made. Not just the Draft either. Coaches hired, comments made, etc.

Last year he conducted the most thorough hiring process in his tenure and it paid off. He continues to go after esteemed Coaches to fill the voids. Even Campo, who I did not want back, is well thought of around the NFL. This team has been nowhere near Cap troubles in several years and can fill voids in Free Agency quite ably and continues to get smart contracts done.

Jerry makes mistakes but he does learn. I wouldn't trade him for any other Owner in the NFL and maybe only 1 or 2 guys I'd do handsprings over as GM if he were to step down.

 

[superpunk]

Maybe not exactly what you want but he did overkill the "Failed baseball prospect turns NFL QB Star" angle three times.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jerry's biggest problem is the post 90's preception of him as a meddling owner is never going to go away unless the Cowboys win another Super Bowl.

I told dbair1967 this morning via PM that if I were in Jerry's shoes I wouldn't have brought Campo back under any circumstance. Even if he had nothing whatsoever to do with him coming back, the perception will be that the dark clouds of yesteryear are forming again.

Every move Jerry makes is scrutinized to the nth degree and I'm as guilty of that as anyone. I'll tell you when I started cutting Jerry Jones some slack. When he left the game to go to the hopsital with Michael Irvin. I've never seen any other owner do that. I knew right then and there that he loved the players as much or even more than I do.

Every team has bad drafts. Jerry will never live his down among Cowboys fans because we all felt the knife twist when "any of 500 guys can coach this team" and we saw the downward spiral begin.

That Jerry Jones persona has not been evident since January 2, 2003 and I see no reason to continue to filet him for moves that cannot be taken back. I understand why others do though. There were some truly bonehead decisions made. Not just the Draft either. Coaches hired, comments made, etc.

Last year he conducted the most thorough hiring process in his tenure and it paid off. He continues to go after esteemed Coaches to fill the voids. Even Campo, who I did not want back, is well thought of around the NFL. This team has been nowhere near Cap troubles in several years and can fill voids in Free Agency quite ably and continues to get smart contracts done.

Jerry makes mistakes but he does learn. I wouldn't trade him for any other Owner in the NFL and maybe only 1 or 2 guys I'd do handsprings over as GM if he were to step down.

That's a real good post Hos. I happen to agree with you. Some people may think me crazy but I do trust Jerry Jones and I believe he will do the right thing for the team.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Maybe not exactly what you want but he did overkill the "Failed baseball prospect turns NFL QB Star" angle three times.

Yeah, he did. I agree with that. I don't know if it just turned out that they were all BaseBall players or if it was something sought after but there can be no question that there were multiple failures of those types of players.

Having said that, I would say that the approach, or maybe intent is a better word, would seem to be correct. All these moves were designed to aquire a starting QB who would not cost a fortune in Cap and draft picks. Romo would seem to be proof that his idea was a good one. Don't know. I guess it's all in how you view it but for me, this is how I would view that particular situation.

 

[TonyS]

Thinking back, can anybody remember Jerry making the same mistakes twice? I can't really remember that too much. My memory of things is not as good as it once was. If anybody can remember him repeating mistakes, can you outline them?

1) Hired Jerry Jones as GM

2) Kept Jerry Jones as GM

3) Continued to keep Jerry Jones as GM

4) Adamantly kept Jerry Jones as GM

5) Continues to keep Jerry Jones as GM

any questions?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

We all know that Jerry has made mistakes in the past. Some more costly then others. However, Jerry does not and has never struck me as a stupid man. Thinking back, can anybody remember Jerry making the same mistakes twice? I can't really remember that too much. My memory of things is not as good as it once was. If anybody can remember him repeating mistakes, can you outline them?

I just have a real hard time believing that Jerry is going to trade the farm for McFadden and I'm wondering if maybe we are being too hard on Jerry Jones over something that he may not have any intentions of doing.

The one BIG mistake Mr. Jones made was how he handled the "firing" or releasing of Coach Landry. He admitted later on the fact that the situation could of and should of be handled much better. He apologized and took blame for that mistake.

 

[Bach]

Great. Another Jerry thread. Don't you know that these annoy people?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

We all know that Jerry has made mistakes in the past. Some more costly then others. However, Jerry does not and has never struck me as a stupid man. Thinking back, can anybody remember Jerry making the same mistakes twice? I can't really remember that too much. My memory of things is not as good as it once was. If anybody can remember him repeating mistakes, can you outline them?

I just have a real hard time believing that Jerry is going to trade the farm for McFadden and I'm wondering if maybe we are being too hard on Jerry Jones over something that he may not have any intentions of doing.

Its gonna be dejavu all over again. (below is your answer in advance)

not one, but two first round picks for galloway.

that one stung.

He is gonna dump 2 1st rounders for McFadden and he is gonna put a cherry on top of this one... either another player or another draft pick.


= same mistake twice... more or less

 

[Mash]

1) Hired Jerry Jones as GM

2) Kept Jerry Jones as GM

3) Continued to keep Jerry Jones as GM

4) Adamantly kept Jerry Jones as GM

5) Continues to keep Jerry Jones as GM

any questions?

I have one question....

Can Jerry hear ya with those 3SB rings in his ear?

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

JJ is clearly one of the best owners (and has become a pretty good GM) over the years and I've got "nothing but love" for him! One thing that cannot be disputed when talking about Jerry is that he wants to win! I think he pours his heart and soul into the Cowboys every season and takes our losses just as hard as Joe Fan does! He's taken his lumps over the years but he has seemed to learn from his prior missteps so I don't see him repeating any of his not-so-brilliant moves from the past. Hopefully when he looks at this draft, he'll see that maybe the OTHER Razorback RB (Felix Jones) fits our current team perfectly and he wouldn't have to sell his soul to draft him!!

 

[khiladi]

Every team has bad drafts. Jerry will never live his down among Cowboys fans because we all felt the knife twist when "any of 500 guys can coach this team" and we saw the downward spiral begin.

Blame free agency and salary caps more for the downward spiral trend. While certain blame needs to be put on Jerry, to consider him the only reason just isn't reality. Look at every other dynasty in the NFL, from San Fransisco to Green Bay, to Pittsburgh. Every dynasty collapses at one point, and it takes a certain amount of time for them to rebuild.

Jerry got his team back on the map faster than all of them. The only arguable exception is Green Bay, and even then, they just arose out of the ashes this year. They were sucking until last year, while Dallas had at least put up a decent squad.

I believe it was even Walsh who admitted that the only reason they implemented free agency as it is now, is because they saw the Dallas dynasty winning a string of many Super Bowls.

 

[TonyS]

I have one question....

Can Jerry hear ya with those 3SB rings in his ear?

Those 3 SBs were great, but he also played a major role in destroying a potential super-dynasty in football.

Just think of how many rings he could've had if he could've shared egos with Jimmah and let a real GM manage him into the Cap era rather than taking 10+ years to figure it out himself.

Thanks Jerry for the 90s, but I tend to root for this year's team and not one 10+ years ago. To think we should be satisfied with Jerry because he has 3 SB rings is silly.

 

[joseephuss]

Sure he has made the same mistake twice. Maybe not the same huge mistake like trading two firsts for Galloway(for any player would have been dumb).

Getting a QB who had been out of football for years while pursuing their baseball career. Chad Hutchinson and Drew Henson. I don't count Quincy as a third because he actually went back to college after his failed baseball career.

Signing a bi-polar DT. Alonzo Spellman and Dimitrius Underwood.

Going after a talented, but troubled player in the draft. You can probably get by with doing this once every other year and maybe even once a year, but not two picks in the same draft. Antonio Bryant and Derek Ross. In his defense Jimmy Johnson did the same thing in Miami.

Signing an older offensive lineman. Jerry did this under the direction of Bill Parcells when Dallas got Ryan Young and Marco Riveria.

 

[joseephuss]

Those 3 SBs were great, but he also played a major role in destroying a potential super-dynasty in football.

Just think of how many rings he could've had if he could've shared egos with Jimmah and let a real GM manage him into the Cap era rather than taking 10+ years to figure it out himself.

Thanks Jerry for the 90s, but I tend to root for this year's team and not one 10+ years ago. To think we should be satisfied with Jerry because he has 3 SB rings is silly.

Jimmy did have a chance to share egos with Jerry. Jerry did not outright fire Jimmy Johnson. They reached an agreement. Jimmy could have shrugged it off and stuck around. I don't blame him for leaving, but if he wanted he could have stayed in Dallas.

 

[Mash]

Those 3 SBs were great, but he also played a major role in destroying a potential super-dynasty in football.

Just think of how many rings he could've had if he could've shared egos with Jimmah and let a real GM manage him into the Cap era rather than taking 10+ years to figure it out himself.

Thanks Jerry for the 90s, but I tend to root for this year's team and not one 10+ years ago. To think we should be satisfied with Jerry because he has 3 SB rings is silly.

Why is it silly?

How many GM's have won more since then? Not many....right?

The Team was aging...just like SF....what have they done? Novachek...Haley...Irvin....Aikman....K.Smith....etc....all got hurt........sure Jerry held on to the past a little.....he might be too loyal for his own good....but he did sacrifice future cap for those SB's......didnt he?

And you root for this years team.....so do we all......this team is on the rise and is a contender.....with Jerry as GM......right?

Or was it all Jimmy and Big Bill?

When things go well....the credit goes somewhere else.....when things go bad....its Jerry's fault.......is that how it is?

 

[miamicowboy21]

I've supported and will continue to support jerry till end, but if he gives up the farm for D-mac the critics will be proven correct. I'd sleep better at night if all communication to Miami was shutdown. I just can't see jerry giving parcells the ammunition to make miami contenders again.

 

[CoCo]

Yes, I largely trust Jerry Jones as both owner and GM. Certainly he has made some big mistakes. In no way do I want the Jerry of the mid-90's back. I do believe he is wiser today.

And of course he is still imperfect, like all NFL people. Not all moves pan out. Jerry will still take some gambles. I don't think that nature will ever change. I just think he's a bit wiser about when they're worth taking.