Want to ask an honest question about Jerry

[CoCo]

I'm not gonna go beserk if Jerry trades Barber and whatever for McFadden. I hope he doesn't. Keeping Barber and the picks is the safer move IMO.

But its not absurd to think Barber's body may wear down in very short order (see Roy Williams) and that picks 22, 28 or whatever end up being non-impactful. At the same time, McFadden could end up being special.

I wouldn't do it, but I'm not sure its the no-brainer lots of folks make it out to be.

 

[jwhardin]

The departure of Johnson was as much his fault as Jerry's and all the the bad draft picks aren't his either. I mean Synder could be the boys owner, then what would we do, kill ourselves. Jerry is not always going to do what we think is right, but I trust that he will always try to do what's right for the cowboys. He's a self made millionaire and I'm not, so who am I to cast stones.

 

[Bach]

When things go well....the credit goes somewhere else.....when things go bad....its Jerry's fault.......is that how it is?

It must be coincidence when we have strong football men in Dallas, like Jimmy and Bill, that the ship gets righted and we start winning.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It must be coincidence when we have strong football men in Dallas, like Jimmy and Bill, that the ship gets righted and we start winning.

Probably is. Lord knows, both Jimmy and Bill both wanted to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys from day 1.

 

[InmanRoshi]

He made the same mistake 8-9 times in a row keeping Larry Lacewell as his player personnel man year after year after year from 1994-2003 (and now he has an office back at the Ranch again, so he's still making the mistake). For all the talk about Bill Parcells being lblindly oyal his "Bill Guys", has anyone in football ever been more defiantly partial to "his guys" than Jerry? How else does Barry Switzer ever in a million years get a HC job in the NFL, after being out of college coaching for 6 years, other than he's Jerry's guy? How else does Larry Lacewell get to keep his job until Bill Parcells basically has to pry him out with a crowbar (and now he's got an office back at the Ranch), other than he's Jerry's guy? How does one of the most notorious head coaches in a franchise's history ever come back to work for them, in any capacity, other than being "Jerry's Guy"? It's unheard of. Do you see the Eagles ever bringing in Ritchie Kotitte to be a position coach? The Commanders bringing back Steve Spurrier to coach quarterbacks? Jerry's right and left hand men are his sons ... that's how close and tight his inner circle is.

Some may think Jason Garrett is the next Bill Walsh, and maybe justly so, but you have to admit that he has had the red carpet rolled out for him for a HC position maybe unlike any other young assistant coach in the history of the NFL. Why? Because he's Jerry's Guy. It must be good to be a Jerry guy.

 

[Bach]

Probably is. Lord knows, both Jimmy and Bill both wanted to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys from day 1.

Come back when you're sober.

 

[khiladi]

It must be coincidence when we have strong football men in Dallas, like Jimmy and Bill, that the ship gets righted and we start winning.

Pardon me, but when were we really winning with Bill.. I saw a team that peformed average over a 4 year span, with plenty of draft picks and free agent spending. That isn't really winning, is it?

You surely can't include this year as Bill righting the ship... Because if that is the case, Bill surely wronged the ship that went what, 10-6 his first year....

 

[SultanOfSix]

How shocking. Jerry has Jerry guys.

Just like Bill has Bill guys.

When will the world not become so bizarre?

 

[khiladi]

I never heard of an owner that hires guys he just hates...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Come back when you're sober.

:laugh2: He says that like that day may eventually come around.

 

[Bach]

Pardon me, but when were we really winning with Bill.. I saw a team that peformed average over a 4 year span, with plenty of draft picks and free agent spending. That isn't really winning, is it?

You surely can't include this year as Bill righting the ship... Because if that is the case, Bill surely wronged the ship that went what, 10-6 his first year....

I don't think Bill is the end-all-be-all. But I see he took over a terrible team stuck in a 5-11 rut and he ended up with three winning seasons in four years.

Looks to me like he righted the ship and built a solid foundation.

But if what he did wasn't really winning, then maybe you prefer the three straight 5-11 seasons - because maybe you can twist that into not really losing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I never heard of an owner that hires guys he just hates...

Seriously. If you really examine that statement, you actually come to the conclusion that you may well be drunk. The whole premise of bringing people on you don't like is absured. At the end of the day, you gotta be able to work with the guy your spending 16 hours a day with, 365 a year.

 

[khiladi]

Seriously. If you really examine that statement, you actually come to the conclusion that you may well be drunk. The whole premise of bringing people on you don't like is absured. At the end of the day, you gotta be able to work with the guy your spending 16 hours a day with, 365 a year.

Actually, I'd think you were drunk,e specially considering that it is the OWNER we are talking about. It is the employee that normally has to adjust and tolerate their boss, not the boss himself, especially when the owner is a billionaire.

While it may work for a little while, it very rarely ends up in a positive way, especially when it concerns the owner. Bill Parcells has left many an NFL organization on a bad note, because he couldn't adjust with the ownership. He has always wanted more control.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think Bill is the end-all-be-all. But I see he took over a terrible team stuck in a 5-11 rut and he ended up with three winning seasons in four years.

Looks to me like he righted the ship and built a solid foundation.

But if what he did wasn't really winning, then maybe you prefer the three straight 5-11 seasons - because maybe you can twist that into not really losing.

I can agree with this but, somebody hired him. Somebody created a situation in which he could put his plans for improvement in place. That somebody is Jerry, yet he gets no credit for going out and hiring Parcells or even Jimmy. When Jerry bought the Dallas Cowboys, Jimmy had a job. Somebody went out and convinced him that it would be a good idea to leave a Miami program that was at the top of the heap in the NCAA in favor of a 1-15 Dallas Cowboys team. Somebody did that but again, no credit to Jerry. Kind of a shame to me.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually, I'd think you were drunk,e specially considering that it is the OWNER we are talking about. It is the employee that normally has to adjust and tolerate their boss, not the boss himself, especially when the owner is a billionaire.

While it may work for a little while, it very rarely ends up in a positive way, especially when it concerns the owner. Bill Parcells has left many an NFL organization on a bad note, because he couldn't adjust with the ownership. He has always wanted more control.

Exactly my point.

 

[Bach]

I can agree with this but, somebody hired him. Somebody created a situation in which he could put his plans for improvement in place. That somebody is Jerry, yet he gets no credit for going out and hiring Parcells or even Jimmy. When Jerry bought the Dallas Cowboys, Jimmy had a job. Somebody went out and convinced him that it would be a good idea to leave a Miami program that was at the top of the heap in the NCAA in favor of a 1-15 Dallas Cowboys team. Somebody did that but again, no credit to Jerry. Kind of a shame to me.

I don't know where you get this. I have always given Jerry credit for hiring Jimmy and BP and giving them enough authority to succeed and for listening to them.

 

[5Stars]

He made the same mistake 8-9 times in a row keeping Larry Lacewell as his player personnel man year after year after year from 1994-2003 (and now he has an office back at the Ranch again, so he's still making the mistake). For all the talk about Bill Parcells being lblindly oyal his "Bill Guys", has anyone in football ever been more defiantly partial to "his guys" than Jerry? How else does Barry Switzer ever in a million years get a HC job in the NFL, after being out of college coaching for 6 years, other than he's Jerry's guy? How else does Larry Lacewell get to keep his job until Bill Parcells basically has to pry him out with a crowbar (and now he's got an office back at the Ranch), other than he's Jerry's guy? How does one of the most notorious head coaches in a franchise's history ever come back to work for them, in any capacity, other than being "Jerry's Guy"? It's unheard of. Do you see the Eagles ever bringing in Ritchie Kotitte to be a position coach? The Commanders bringing back Steve Spurrier to coach quarterbacks? Jerry's right and left hand men are his sons ... that's how close and tight his inner circle is.

Some may think Jason Garrett is the next Bill Walsh, and maybe justly so, but you have to admit that he has had the red carpet rolled out for him for a HC position maybe unlike any other young assistant coach in the history of the NFL. Why? Because he's Jerry's Guy. It must be good to be a Jerry guy.

And what have the eagles or the Commanders done lately?

 

[khiladi]

I don't think Bill is the end-all-be-all. But I see he took over a terrible team stuck in a 5-11 rut and he ended up with three winning seasons in four years.

Looks to me like he righted the ship and built a solid foundation.

But if what he did wasn't really winning, then maybe you prefer the three straight 5-11 seasons - because maybe you can twist that into not really losing.

Actually, you do think Bill is the end-all-be-all. He had an average record, with plenty of salary cap space and plenty of draft picks.

But hey, I'm sure your satisfied with him righting the ship by bringing in Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testaverde, Aaron Glenn, Keyshawn Johnson, Richie Anderson and a bunch of other aging veterans to churn out that average play. Tell me, how do you right the ship by bringing in veteran players that are on the verge of retirement? Peerless Price... Man, that guy was a keeper.

You want to add all those impressive 'victories' and 'records' that didn't go anywhere in the 'proof-bucket' that he righted the ship? Not to mention, Bill jumping ship at 9-7. The guy probably left because he was trying to save face, because he thought this team was going in the toilet. I love the picture of Bill on the sidelines against the Giants and Carolina. The guy looked clueless. Thank the lucky stars Tony Romo came in to make the last season of Parcells look somewhat respectable.

I guess when you bring in age-old veterans, you can improve to average, but calling that righting the ship... that's just laughable. That is more akin to, let me get some extra useless wins. How about that regressing Roy, during that 4 year tenure of Bill? Was that righting the ship? But yeah, blame Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones on Wade Phillips and Jerry. Ironic, that the reason we even lost the play-off game was because Jacques Reeves couldn't cover... And that impressive display of OL coaching by Tony Sparano... I've never seen an OL fold so bad in a second-half of play...

Your statistical comparison blows chunks.

I'm optimistic with Wade, and 13-3. I prefer TO, and Leonaad Davis, and Ken Hamlin. I prefer a Braide James that lost 10 pounds, and was no longer asked to take on LBs. I prefer Hudson Houck, Dave Campo, and now, probably Dom Capers then that coaching staff we had...

 

[khiladi]

Exactly my point.

my original comments were not directed at you, but comments that Jerry hires Jerry's guys, as if this is something different from how normal business operations works... that is why I stated, I have never heard of an owenr hiring guys he just hates....

 

[Bach]

While it may work for a little while, it very rarely ends up in a positive way, especially when it concerns the owner. Bill Parcells has left many an NFL organization on a bad note, because he couldn't adjust with the ownership. He has always wanted more control.

Funny that the only times this organization has righted itself Jerry's ownership is when Jimmy and BP were here.

The years Jerry started listening to himself and idiots like Lacewell and hiring guys like Switzer and Campo was when it started falling apart and finally reached rock bottom.

Basically during his ownership, when Jerry has had the least amount of control we've succeeded, when he's had the most control, we've failed.

So please forgive me for wanting to see us have a strong football man here that Jerry relinquishes considerable control to.