Want to ask an honest question about Jerry

[5Stars]

I just wish Jerry would win the Superbowl every year until he dies so that the parakeets that hate him will stop all that "bach, bach, bach" sound from the tree tops!

 

[zrinkill]

I just wish Jerry would win the Superbowl every year until he dies so that the parakeets that hate him will stop all that "bach, bach, bach" sound from the tree tops!

Those birds would make up excuses that we were winning in spite of Jerry ..... or would just give the credit to the coach.

 

[Bach]

Actually, you do think Bill is the end-all-be-all.

No, actually I don't. But hey, I guess you would know more about what I think than I do.

I prefer Wade, and 13-3. I prefer TO, and Leonaad Davis, and Ken Hamlin. I prefer a Braide James that lost 10 pounds, and was no longer asked to take on LBs.

I wonder who well Wade would've done taking over the 5-11 mess Jerry and Campo created. Doubt he would've won 13 games, or even 10 (like Bill did) in his first year.

 

[Bach]

I just wish Jerry would win the Superbowl every year until he dies so that the parakeets that hate him will stop all that "bach, bach, bach" sound from the tree tops!

Right now I'd at least settle for a playoff win.

 

[khiladi]

Funny that the only times this organization has righted itself Jerry's ownership is when Jimmy and BP were here.

The years Jerry started listening to himself and idiots like Lacewell and hiring guys like Switzer and Campo was when it started falling apart and finally reached rock bottom.

Basically during his ownership, when Jerry has had the least amount of control we've succeeded, when he's had the most control, we've failed.

So please forgive me for wanting to see us have a strong football man here that Jerry relinquishes considerable control to.

What part of no salary cap and no draft picks do you not understand? What part of an aging dynasty do you not understand? Last time I checked, we got Lenorad Davis, Keith Hamlin, and drafted some potential players without Bill Parcells. According to you, every decision made once Bill left was Jerry's own...

Do you think Bill just jumped into a ship-wreck? No, Bill jumped into a place where he knew that there was already existing potential. The fact is, he performed just average, and he did it with ageing veterans. That isn't called righting a ship. That is called getting average players to play average ball...

 

[Hostile]

Right now I'd at least settle for a playoff win.

Disagree with you there Bach. The last 2 years I would have settled for a playoff win. In 2008 my expectations are much higher. No more excuses for Post Thanksgiving fades. Fix it.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Funny that the only times this organization has righted itself Jerry's ownership is when Jimmy and BP were here.

In other words, Jerry get's no credit in the two out of three times it's been righted, whereas he gets all the blame for the failure when it hasn't been. In all three cases he's been the GM.

Thanks for repeating your agenda ad naseum.

 

[bbgun]

1) Hired Jerry Jones as GM

2) Kept Jerry Jones as GM

3) Continued to keep Jerry Jones as GM

4) Adamantly kept Jerry Jones as GM

5) Continues to keep Jerry Jones as GM

any questions?

Nice recitation. The Giants are going to the Super Bowl because they have Jerry Reese and we have Jerry Jones.

"But Jerry's intentions are good! And he spends money!"

Big ****ing deal. That and a dollar will get you Hershey bar.

 

[khiladi]

I wonder who well Wade would've done taking over the 5-11 mess Jerry and Campo created. Doubt he would've won 13 games, or even 10 (like Bill did) in his first year.

Uh, this team had Leonard Davis and Keith Hamlin, two key elements of why we went 13-3. Those weren't Bill players. Bradie James lost 10 lbs to suit the style of play of Wade. Bradie was a totally different player this year, which he never would have been with Bill still in the mix. He'd still be getting burned up the middle in passive cover-2 defense.

The only reason we lost against the Giants was because Jacques reeves couldn't cover. Wade had to make a choice between an age-old veteran, Aaron Glenn, and Jacques Reeves. That is pretty imrpessive that Bill would leave a team with a secondary that had to rely on Reeves, and also had to out and get a free-agent safety in Ken Hamlin to CAPTAIN the freakin's secondary...

But all praise to Bill... Wade is a yes-man and Jerry running this team into the ground...

If Wade's 13-3 doesn't count, than you can't count Bill's BEST season as coach, because those were Campo's players. When he brought in his own QBs and own ageing veterans, his record got worse. In fact, he's probably post a losing record without Campo's team...

 

[Mash]

It must be coincidence when we have strong football men in Dallas, like Jimmy and Bill, that the ship gets righted and we start winning.

You mean like Jimmy righted the ship in Miami?

It works both ways.....Im giving credit to Jimmy and Bill......but also Jerry...

You on the other hand......Jerry can do no right

See....what you dont understand is.....Jerry always has and always will make the final decisions in Dallas.

He won 3 SB's as the GM and he does deserve some credit for building this team up again.......Now he is trying to bring in the best assistants he can with the approval of Wade.......yet....to you and most of those mediots.....Jerry is back to his old self again

So what would of you done differently? Keep Bill.....who was secretly looking for a job with the Giants while coaching the Cowboys?

Jerry has hired very well respected assistants like Sherman and Houck and Garrett.......etc......maybe even Capers......arent these "strong football men"

maybe you dont think Wade is a strong football man.....his peers would disagree.....but what do they and Jerry know.

Once again....to you .....Jerry cant do no right and deserves no credit.....

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

my original comments were not directed at you, but comments that Jerry hires Jerry's guys, as if this is something different from how normal business operations works... that is why I stated, I have never heard of an owenr hiring guys he just hates....

No, I understand that. My original post was in agreement with your position. It does not make sense to hire somebody you can not work with when your spending the time it takes to be succesful in such a close working relationship. That's asking for trouble.

I completely agree with you. Why on earth would you hire somebody you don't like?

 

[Bach]

Disagree with you there Bach. The last 2 years I would have settled for a playoff win. In 2008 my expectations are much higher. No more excuses for Post Thanksgiving fades. Fix it.

No doubt I want the Super Bowl, but we've got to start somewhere.

 

[Mash]

Right now I'd at least settle for a playoff win.

and a playoff gets you what?

You discredit the 3 superbowls Jerry has won........and now you want to settle for a playoff victory?

no one remembers playoff victories......just Super Bowls....

 

[Bach]

You on the other hand......Jerry can do no right

See....what you dont understand is.....Jerry always has and always will make the final decisions in Dallas.

He won 3 SB's as the GM and he does deserve some credit for building this team up again.......

See the quote in my sig? Jerry himself stated Jimmy made the decisions, he downplayed it as "recommendations". And as Jerry said, he only disagreed with him once or twice. This is over the course of five years.

Now you tell me who should be credited with building the Super Bowl teams. It's not too hard to have have the final say when you are basically concurring with someone else decisions. But hey, it's a neat trick to be the owner and name yourself GM. That way you can say you won 3 Super Bowls as the GM, even though all you really did was hire your former college teammate as HC and "concurred" with his decisions.

 

[Bach]

and a playoff gets you what?

It gets you more than we got the last 11 years.

 

[zrinkill]

See the quote in my sig? Jerry himself stated Jimmy made the decisions, he downplayed it as "recommendations". And as Jerry said, he only disagreed with him once or twice. This is over the course of five years.

Now you tell me who should be credited with building the Super Bowl teams. It's not too hard to have have the final say when you are basically concurring with someone else decisions. But hey, it's a neat trick to be the owner and name yourself GM. That way you can say you won 3 Super Bowls as the GM, even though all you really did was hire your former college teammate as HC and "concurred" with his decisions.

Or this just means he agreed with him ..... that he and Jimmy were really close and on the same page.

Of course you have to turn it into Jerry just "rubber stamping" the decisions because that follows your OP.

 

[joseephuss]

See the quote in my sig? Jerry himself stated Jimmy made the decisions, he downplayed it as "recommendations". And as Jerry said, he only disagreed with him once or twice. This is over the course of five years.

Now you tell me who should be credited with building the Super Bowl teams. It's not too hard to have have the final say when you are basically concurring on everything someone else decides. But hey, it's a neat trick to be the owner and name yourself GM. That way you can say you won 3 Super Bowls as the GM, even though all you really did was hire your former college teammate as HC and "concurred" with his decisions.

If that was all he did do then it was quite an accomplishment. He was being ridiculed for hiring Johnson as his head coach and that was before Dallas ever played a game under Jimmy. He was again ridiculed when the team struggled to win but one game that first year. Jerry also showed faith in Jimmy by extending his contract very early on before Dallas truly became successful.

Hiring and keeping Jimmy around through those first few seasons was much more than most owners would have done at that time or even now. Look how many coaches are one and done or are excused after a winning season. Jerry did contribute to those three SB winners even if it was not in the manner that he wanted. Of course it was his need to get recognized for stuff he did not do that caused he and the franchise trouble.

All in all, if Dallas wins another SB in the next year or two, then Jerry will probably get in the Hall of Fame shortly thereafter. Not many owners with 4 SB trophies. Heck, not many with 3. Plus that doesn't count everything he has done for the league as a whole. He has made many GM mistakes, but he also has made many great business decisions when it comes to Dallas and the NFL.

 

[Hostile]

No doubt I want the Super Bowl, but we've got to start somewhere.

We've had 2 chances to start there. Time to raise the bar.

 

[joseephuss]

No doubt I want the Super Bowl, but we've got to start somewhere.

I think they got the start already. Last year a wildcard birth and a playoff game that came down to the wire. This year a divisional round birth and a playoff game that came down to the wire. They don't need to take baby steps from here on out. They can actually take bigger strides. So, just one measly playoff win will not be enough. It will take winning two and gaining a Superbowl appearance. And if you make it to the big game, why don't you just go ahead and win it?

 

[SultanOfSix]

See the quote in my sig? Jerry himself stated Jimmy made the decisions, he downplayed it as "recommendations". And as Jerry said, he only disagreed with him once or twice. This is over the course of five years.

That's not what your quote says.

That's called management. Good managers and organizations hire good people, who make recommendations and do a good job. Then those at the top usually get the credit, like CEOs of a company, or they take the fall. Except in your case, this real world logic doesn't apply, because you don't want to give one JJ any credit, while giving the other all of it. You have the attitude of a typical mediot.