Want to ask an honest question about Jerry

[wileedog]

Actually only Jerry.

Snyder technically isn't, but...

 

[Bach]

. Yeah Jerry made some mistakes in the past but he's got 3 rings and a Billion plus dollar stadium in the works to..

What does a new stadium have to do with being a good GM? Did you see where the SB is being played at this year? It's in the Cardinals stadium.

And I would credit Jerry with those three Super Bowl rings if those teams weren't built by Jimmy and the great scouting dept we had back then.

Do you have anything else?

 

[bbgun]

Funny how someone can ask an "honest" question yet honest answers aren't welcome.

 

[Hostile]

Funny how someone can ask an "honest" question yet honest answers aren't welcome.

Funny how I just scanned the entire thread and no post was edited and only one post was deleted and that was because it was a personal insult.

If you can't stand being disagreed with don't share your opinions. If you want everyone to genuflect become a cult leader. You've got the martyr act down pat already.

 

[CF74]

What does a new stadium have to do with being a good GM? Did you see where the SB is being played at this year? It's in the Cardinals stadium.

And I would credit Jerry with those three Super Bowl rings if those teams weren't built by Jimmy and the great scouting dept we had back then.

Do you have anything else?

He's successful enough to get it done.

Thanks for letting me know I thought it was gonna be played in Mexico City.

Who hired Jimmy and took 99.99% of his advice?

Yeah, Stop hating...

 

[Bach]

He's successful enough to get it done.

Thanks for letting me know I thought it was gonna be played in Mexico City.

Who hired Jimmy and took 99.99% of his advice?

Yeah, Stop hating...

Like I said, what does building a stadium have to do with anything? Even the Cardinals built a real nice new stadium. But does that increase your opinion of Bill Bidwell?

And I have always credited Jerry for hiring Jimmy and taking his advice. That's the point though, it wasn't Jerry's personnel decisions that built those teams, it was him agreeing with Jimmy "99.99%" of the time.

So yeah, I have no problem with Jerry when he hires good quality people and listens to their advice. In other words, he not a good GM on his own, only when he relies and someone else's decisions.

 

[5Stars]

Funny how I just scanned the entire thread and no post was edited and only one post was deleted and that was because it was a personal insult.

If you can't stand being disagreed with don't share your opinions. If you want everyone to genuflect become a cult leader. You've got the martyr act down pat already.

That was my post! I see what you did, Hostile!

 

[5Stars]

Like I said, what does building a stadium have to do with anything? Even the Cardinals built a real nice new stadium. But does that increase your opinion of Bill Bidwell?

And I have always credited Jerry for hiring Jimmy and taking his advice. That's the point though, it wasn't Jerry's personnel decisions that built those teams, it was him agreeing with Jimmy "99.99%" of the time.

So yeah, I have no problem with Jerry when he hires good quality people and listens to their advice. In other words, he not a good GM on his own, only when he relies and someone else's decisions.

Wow! Isn't that what a good leader/manager does? Rely on the people that he hires to be successful?



If you became the GM for the Cowboy, Bach...you would not know jack squat about how to run the team. You would have to hire someone to help you...and that is what Jones does...he oversees and relys on the people that work for him! What is WRONG with that?

Your logic is all plucked up!

 

[windward]

Wow! Isn't that what a good leader/manager does? Rely on the people that he hires to be successful?



If you became the GM for the Cowboy, Bach...you would not know jack squat about how to run the team. You would have to hire someone to help you...and that is what Jones does...he oversees and relys on the people that work for him! What is WRONG with that?

Your logic is all plucked up!

It's also incumbent upon the manager to make the final decisions and take the heat for it, fair or not.

Jerry is doing what he should and rely on the people who are technical experts in their field. I mean, do people really think Jerry will go after a person that the scouting staff feels will not contribute to the team for the hell of it?

 

[Bach]

Wow! Isn't that what a good leader/manager does? Rely on the people that he hires to be successful?



If you became the GM for the Cowboy, Bach...you would not know jack squat about how to run the team. You would have to hire someone to help you...and that is what Jones does...he oversees and relys on the people that work for him! What is WRONG with that?

Your logic is all plucked up!

If someone becomes an NFL GM, you'd hope they know jack squat aobut how to run a football team. The problem is when you don't know about personnel and evaluating talent but you name yourself GM and then force out those who do know how to evaluate talent and build a team.

So no, my logic is not plucked up.

 

[5Stars]

It's also incumbent upon the manager to make the final decisions and take the heat for it, fair or not.

Jerry is doing what he should and rely on the people who are technical experts in their field. I mean, do people really think Jerry will go after a person that the scouting staff feels will not contribute to the team for the hell of it?

Beats me! Maybe Bach can enlighten us?

 

[5Stars]

If someone becomes an NFL GM, you'd hope they know jack squat aobut how to run a football team. The problem is when you don't know about personnel and evaluating talent but you name yourself GM and then force out those who do know how to evaluate talent and build a team.

So no, my logic is not plucked up.

Who did Jerry "force out"? Jimmy....

Have you ever read any books about that situation? Jimmy WANTED out...he was burned out! He wanted to go home...to Miami, where he was VERY SUCCESSFUL..right?


Stop living in the past and get with the 21st Century! It will do you good...

 

[CF74]

Who did Jerry "force out"? Jimmy....

Have you ever read any books about that situation? Jimmy WANTED out...he was burned out! He wanted to go home...to Miami, where he was VERY SUCCESSFUL..right?


Stop living in the past and get with the 21st Century! It will do you good...

Yeah Miami did real good with Jimmy down there

 

[the kid 05]

Those 3 SBs were great, but he also played a major role in destroying a potential super-dynasty in football.

Just think of how many rings he could've had if he could've shared egos with Jimmah and let a real GM manage him into the Cap era rather than taking 10+ years to figure it out himself.

Thanks Jerry for the 90s, but I tend to root for this year's team and not one 10+ years ago. To think we should be satisfied with Jerry because he has 3 SB rings is silly.

yes the cap era had nothing to do with it or the nasty "I" word

 

[Bach]

Who did Jerry "force out"? Jimmy....

Have you ever read any books about that situation? Jimmy WANTED out...he was burned out! He wanted to go home...to Miami, where he was VERY SUCCESSFUL..right?

Stop living in the past and get with the 21st Century! It will do you good...

He forced out Jimmy and some of our top personnel men like Ackles and Wooten. But Jimmy leaving wasn't the problem, it was Jerry and Lacewell taking over that was. Hence the 11 years now without a playoff win.

Yeah, that was the past, but unfortunately it's affected us for a long time.

 

[zrinkill]

No one forced anyone out. This is just more fantasy agenda.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He forced out Jimmy

That is just simply not true.

 

[Bach]

That is just simply not true.

Sorry, but it is. Jimmy said himself he was planning on coming back for at least one more season, until Jerry got his little feelings hurt.

 

[cowboyed]

Those 3 SBs were great, but he also played a major role in destroying a potential super-dynasty in football.

Just think of how many rings he could've had if he could've shared egos with Jimmah and let a real GM manage him into the Cap era rather than taking 10+ years to figure it out himself.

Thanks Jerry for the 90s, but I tend to root for this year's team and not one 10+ years ago. To think we should be satisfied with Jerry because he has 3 SB rings is silly.

Well Tonnah you are way over the top on Jerry Jones playing a major role in destroying a potential super-dynasty in football. You smugly state and cynically thank Jerry for the 90s but that you tend to root for the Cowboys of now, not the Cowboys of 10 years ago. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM CRITICIZING AND BLAMING THE JERRY JONES OF A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

Seriously I am all ears. Tell me how how Jerry could have circumvented the salary cap and free agency and stopped the talent drain on the Cowboys?

Critics like you generically talk about his ego as if that drives all his decisions. I believe it is about control and achievement and you know he was a college football player himself, maintained a strong interest in professional football and felt he had enough aptitude and commitment that he could be hands on working with the resources as a general manager.

By the way Jimmy Johnson himself stated that he wasn't going to be a long term head coach with any particular team and that when he achieved enough success he was going to move on or take a break.

Like it or not Jones has been innovative and a calculated risk taker all his business life. The team marketing and revenue generation concepts that he came up with and was villified for, have benefited not only the Cowboys but many other franchises.

Prior to his revenue market generation breakthrough the NFL was a more restricted form of administrated capitalism.

Sure Jones has made some mistakes along the way. But please provide me a list of general managers who have made perfect decisions over a nearly 2 decade span. Better yet provide me a list of general managers who were so great at the onset that they didn't need to grow in their job positions. And yes it is a valid achievement that within 2 decades Jones has made the Cowboys one of the very few teams that have won multiple Superbowls.

Jones is an exceptional owner, who truly loves football and his players and who also empathizes with the fans. Jones has improved to the point that he is now regarded as one of the better general managers in all phases of the position. He also has positioned our team to be back in the mix of post season opportunity.

You can keep dwelling on the Jones negatives of the past or invoke them while jumping the gun on whatever current coach hiring decisions or player acquistions currently come to fruition, but the reality is that you and really all of us do not have even a fraction of his experience or knowledge.

So if you want to keep self-righteously goose stepping along the path of cynicsm, have at it. I am over past disappointment and even this season's frustrations and look forward to the next upcoming season with the Jones family at the helm.