Watkins: Hours Clause - The contract died over this?

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stasheroo;2625390 said:
It's a reflection of our society.

Money = Success

If you're rich, you've got to be a genius.

Says a lot about why we're in the dumper...

LOL, it's like saying because Michael Jackson is rich i'd want him babysitting my 9 year old son.
 

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Juke99;2625409 said:
I disagree. Money is measure for how well you make money. I don't think it's a measure of intelligence. you've never seen a real dumbo with more money than people smarter than him/her?

and btw, let's say something negative about Yeager. It's been a while. :D

Dude you always crack me up. Depends on how that dumbo made the money in my opinion.

I just don't see a dummy growing the cowboys the way he has done. I don't see a dummy getting a billion dollar stadium deal done. I don't see a dummy hiring JJ or the Tuna. I don't see a dummy transforming the way the entire league does business.

I would never say that Jerruh is the most articulate person in the world but I do think he is smart.
 

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Big Dakota;2625429 said:
LOL, it's like saying because Michael Jackson is rich i'd want him babysitting my 9 year old son.

Now that wasn't an intelligent statement. Thanks for giving us an example of what is not smart.
 

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stasheroo;2625390 said:
It's a reflection of our society.

Money = Success

If you're rich, you've got to be a genius.

Says a lot about why we're in the dumper...

:hammer:

This probably one of the worst aspects of our society.

Just because one excells in one area doesn't automatically mean one will succeed in all other areas.
 

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Big Dakota;2625429 said:
LOL, it's like saying because Michael Jackson is rich i'd want him babysitting my 9 year old son.

:beatit:

"Hee! Hee!"
 

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A lot of people get filthy rich because they are great salesmen. Many sales people often have very little innate talent or honed skills (outside of sales). You wouldn't want the world's best car salesman engineering, designing and manufacturing your automobile. That takes specialized, skilled, talented people. Likewise, a great auto engineer might not be able to sell a car to save his life. Just because you're good in one area doesn't mean you have any talent in another.

Jerry has shown he's a great salesman. He also has shown he has very little to no innate talent at building and maintaining a 53 man football roster.
 

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Maikeru-sama;2625439 said:
:hammer:

This probably one of the worst aspects of our society.

Just because one excells in one area doesn't automatically mean one will succeed in all other areas.

What? You don't think Bill Gates can draft players and be a successful GM just because he's a successful businessman? Surely you jest. ;)
 

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Reeves can him and haw about his integrity all day long but the request was nothing short of what is expected of the job he was given. The fact that he is balking at it stinks to high heaven.

There is something in the contract that basically boils down to him doing his job and he balks at it?
 

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fanfromvirginia;2624746 said:
I'm leaning toward your opinion but would like to know if this type of clause is standard practice.

I remember Reeves stating that he had never seen naything like this in his 23 years in the business.

Now we know he was obviously referring to this clause.
 

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MWILL;2624749 said:
Please remember who's writing this story.

Can Calvin Watkins be trusted?

LOL.

Yeah, he is making up quotes from Dan Reeves and putting it in the Dallas Morning News.

LOL.

:bang2:
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2625658 said:
Reeves can him and haw about his integrity all day long but the request was nothing short of what is expected of the job he was given. The fact that he is balking at it stinks to high heaven.

There is something in the contract that basically boils down to him doing his job and he balks at it?


This is why I think this whole "time thing" is a ruse, a way out, an excuse...something else had to have gone on. It makes no sense at all....

Something fishy here, fuzzy! Something is just not right...


:cool:
 

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5Stars;2625718 said:
This is why I think this whole "time thing" is a ruse, a way out, an excuse...something else had to have gone on. It makes no sense at all....

Something fishy here, fuzzy! Something is just not right...


:cool:

Me three. it's an excuse. whatever the reason was we'll find out soon enough. the sharks smell blood.
 

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Dallas;2625012 said:
I agree. There is absolutely nothing wrong w/ placing works hours into a contract. Nothing whatsoever.

Jerry even said he has had it in every contract he has ever signed w/ a coach or employee.

Im sure its more like general operation hours, you will be working. *** cares about that tiny crap? Dan Reeves sure does.

Dan says a contract should really only be a handshake. ***???

What planet is this guy from?


I am very glad that Dan Reeves will not be part of the Cowboys now. That is just stupid.

Who is the employer anyways? You want to work there so bad like you say, then sign the blasted thing and be done w/ it.

It sounds like Dan Reeves has a bit too much pride. Both men do but I understand it being in a contract.

No fault of Jerry's for asking for it.

You are confused as usual.

When Jerry was referring to 'it' being in every contract he has ever had with his former employees he was referring to the fact that he has final say on everything including personnel decisions and coaching decisions.

Yeah, sign a contract that makes it seem like you are on the level of a trainee at Burger King after you spent your life gaining all the respect in the world of your NFL peers.

The only reason you are glad Reeves won't be here is because you love T.O. and it means that his chances of staying go up.
:lmao2:
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2625658 said:
Reeves can him and haw about his integrity all day long but the request was nothing short of what is expected of the job he was given. The fact that he is balking at it stinks to high heaven.

There is something in the contract that basically boils down to him doing his job and he balks at it?

Guy is a 4 time Superbowl coach - I would think his commitment to work is pretty well established.

And if it basically boils down to doing his job, why does it need to be in the contract? Isn't satisfactory performance pretty much a given?

If Valley Ranch has a dress code, does that need to be in the contract too?

Yeah, you can say Reeves is being stubborn or overly prideful, but he's earned that. Jerry is passing up a chance to improve the team on a technicality that is virtually guaranteed to cost him nothing.
 

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dallasfaniac;2625355 said:
What if this bright guy signed a contract with similar time clause?

There is no way in heck Parcells had an hours clause in his contract.

I guarantee it!

And I hope you are not basing this off of the misinformation listed in here by the poster 'Dallas'.

He was wrong and confused.
 

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dcfanatic;2625724 said:
The only reason you are glad Reeves won't be here is because you love T.O. and it means that his chances of staying go up.
:lmao2:

Yeah, the Jerry and TO groupies don't seem too fazed by today's news, do they? Then again, if they noticed that something was amiss at Valley Ranch, that'd make them "drama queens" and "overreactors." We can't have that. :rolleyes:
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2625658 said:
Reeves can him and haw about his integrity all day long but the request was nothing short of what is expected of the job he was given. The fact that he is balking at it stinks to high heaven.

There is something in the contract that basically boils down to him doing his job and he balks at it?

Because it's a smack in the face and it's disrespectful.

It's about trust.

Jerry is asking you for help to come aboard with your friend Wade Phillips and get the team back on track.

And then you throw in some weird clause that isn't in the contract of any other person in the organization and you don't expect him to get a little annoyed?

It was all about Jerry letting Reeves know that he's the boss and he can do whatever he wants because it's his team.

If you remember in the beginning of the GAC interview Jerry was very adamant about letting those guys know that he's never ever ever ever ever ever ever given anyone the kind of control he has over players or coaches.

His ego is getting the best of him these days.
 

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bbgun;2625743 said:
Yeah, the Jerry and TO groupies don't seem too fazed by today's news, do they? Then again, if they noticed that something was amiss at Valley Ranch, that'd make them "drama queens" and "overreactors." We can't have that. :rolleyes:

Evidently certain players showing up hours late and falling asleep in meetings is no biggie, but our "consultant" had better well clock in every day for work !!!
 

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dcfanatic;2625759 said:
Because it's a smack in the face and it's disrespectful.

It's about trust.

Jerry is asking you for help to come aboard with your friend Wade Phillips and get the team back on track.

And then you throw in some weird clause that isn't in the contract of any other person in the organization and you don't expect him to get a little annoyed?

It was all about Jerry letting Reeves know that he's the boss and he can do whatever he wants because it's his team.

If you remember in the beginning of the GAC interview Jerry was very adamant about letting those guys know that he's never ever ever ever ever ever ever given anyone the kind of control he has over players or coaches.

His ego is getting the best of him these days.

His ego has always been the problem.
 

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InmanRoshi;2625771 said:
Evidently certain players showing up hours late and falling asleep in meetings is no biggie, but our "consultant" had better well clock in every day for work !!!


Yeah, right?

It make no friggen sense, at all!

If you can't trust someone like Dan Reeves, a Christian man (did not mean to insert religion here) over some stupid "time" issue, something else went down. It had to...
 
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