Watkins: Hours Clause - The contract died over this?

[TheDude]

Actually, dc'fanatic', I think some aren't phased because when we here "Dan Reeves" we remember his Elway relationship more than the fact he wore a Cowboy Jersey 30 yars ago.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145840

Still waiting for someone to come up with their "If the Cowboys get Dan Reeves as consultant its SB - Book it" take at anytime during the regular season.

keep waxing nostalgia. Keep hating Jerry.

 

[Big Dakota]

Yeah, right?

It make no friggen sense, at all!

If you can't trust someone like Dan Reeves, a Christian man (did not mean to insert religion here) over some stupid "time" issue, something else went down. It had to...

Ya, it's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. OOOOOORRR, it's jerry jones.

 

[5Stars]

Ya, it's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. OOOOOORRR, it's jerry jones.

What can I say?


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[odog422]

Evidently certain players showing up hours late and falling asleep in meetings is no biggie, but our "consultant" had better well clock in every day for work !!!

IMO, it's really this simple:Jerry really didn't want him here. When has there been a player or coach that Jerry really wanted that he didn't get? Let alone for it to crash and burn behind a contract clause.

I also think there is more to the story, but Jerry simply didn't want him. I honestly believe, like what I believe is the root of all his issues, it was his ego. I think he had a last minute realization that if somehow Reeves was able to bring stability or big time positive effects to the organization everyone would be touting what a great job Reeves did, and how he saved the Boys.

Not acceptable for "socks to jocks." Team hasn't hit the crapper yet totally because there are still talented players here. So Jerry still thinks - because in his world talent trumps all - that this team can still do something.

His rant about whose in control further emphasizes my point and belief that at the 11th hour he simply said to himself, "nope, not going to do it."

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Damn... the other day I said....

"Terrell Owens"
"Terrell Owens"
"Terrell Owens"


and Dan Reeves disappeared :laugh1:

 

[5Stars]

Damn... the other day I said....

"Terrell Owens"
"Terrell Owens"
"Terrell Owens"


and Dan Reeves disappeared :laugh1:

Don't do that, OK?

 

[dcfanatic]

Actually, dc'fanatic', I think some aren't phased because when we here "Dan Reeves" we remember his Elway relationship more than the fact he wore a Cowboy Jersey 30 yars ago.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145840

Still waiting for someone to come up with their "If the Cowboys get Dan Reeves as consultant its SB - Book it" take at anytime during the regular season.

keep waxing nostalgia. Keep hating Jerry.

Take the name 'Dan Reeves' out and just look at the resume.

23 years in the NFL. A head coach who took his teams to the Super Bowl. A former NFL player. A guy who just passed on a job to come and help you and Wade. A milionaire already who doesn't need money. A man who has the rep as a dilligent worker and has the highest respect of his peers around the league.

But Jerry Jones wants to make sure Reeves isn't slacking off and only working 39 hours when his contract clearly states that he work 40.

Really?

You know what's funny.

If I was hiring McLovin then I would be looking to make sure he was putting in his time every week...

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But for Dan Reeves I think I would have faith he's going to give me his very best effort because it's all he knows how to do.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ya, it's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. OOOOOORRR, it's jerry jones.

Jerry need sto apologize for causing cancer. AIDS and for the loss of so many planes and ships near Bermuda.

 

[Rampage]

Jerry need sto apologize for causing cancer. AIDS and for the loss of so many planes and ships near Bermuda.

you do it enough for him.

 

[bbgun]

Jerry need sto apologize for causing cancer. AIDS and for the loss of so many planes and ships near Bermuda.

Jerry's egomania and "control freak" tendencies are bad enough. No need to embellish his many sins.

 

[28 Joker]

This doesn't put Jerry Jones in a positive light, imo.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you do it enough for him.

I do not apologize for anything. I actually quite critical on his open door policy and hiring of coaches across the board.

OTOH, I see the vast majority of the handwringing you guys do as being chasing windmills.

Why did the team effort vanish after giving up to turnover for 6 the other way? Its Jerry Jones.

Why did we give up two consecutive 75 yd TDs? Lets blame Jerry.

Why is there a Cowboys player going behind everybody's back and blabbing to the media? Its been 13 years its got to be Jerry.

I do not apologize for a damn thing I just think this scapegoat du jour (Wade, Jerry, TO, Romo, et al) demonstrates intellectual laziness and does nothing to bring us closer to the truth.

Thats not me excusing anything Jerry has done but rather me saying the lot of you are playing the fool.

 

[Rampage]

I do not apologize for anything. I actually quite critical on his open door policy and hiring of coaches across the board.

OTOH, I see the vast majority of the handwringing you guys do as being chasing windmills.

Why did the team effort vanish after giving up to turnover for 6 the other way? Its Jerry Jones.

Why did we give up two consecutive 75 yd TDs? Lets blame Jerry.

Why is there a Cowboys player going behind everybody's back and blabbing to the media? Its been 13 years its got to be Jerry.

I do not apologize for a damn thing I just think this scapegoat du jour (Wade, Jerry, TO, Romo, et al) demonstrates intellectual laziness and does nothing to bring us closer to the truth.

Thats not me excusing anything Jerry has done but rather me saying the lot of you are playing the fool.

what's the truth than?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

what's the truth than?

A whole bunch of things:

1) Jerry forcing Wade to start and play Ellis over Spencer.
2) Injuries to both our starters on the left side of the offensive line.
3) Injuries to our safeties and corners a lot of poor coverage and the need to cheat over the top.
4) Injuries to our top 2 RB. Specifically how it removed our outside running game. Choice was admirable but without runs to the outside it allowed defenses to get away with overplaying the middle.
5) Injuries to Romo's hand and back robbed him of his accuracy.
6) Poor tackling especially up the middle from our safeties and ILB.
7) Jerry forcing Houck on Wade. I have felt that Houck is overrated specially against the blitz. I recall that 1997 Cards playoff game where Troy was getting steamrolled and we were impotent to do anything against it.
8) An overall lack of faith in rookies. Felix, Bennett, Choice,etc never got playing time unless absolutely forced to do so. It caused overuse of Barber early and led to his injury and kept players like Henry and Curtis out there.
9) Erratic playcalling form both coordinators. Garrett had no vision to his game plans and Stewart had no idea how to mesh a pass rush and coverage.


I could go on but the point is that there is a single simple scapegoat is ludicrous IMO.

 

[Rampage]

A whole bunch of things:

1) Jerry forcing Wade to start and play Ellis over Spencer.
2) Injuries to both our starters on the left side of the offensive line.
3) Injuries to our safeties and corners a lot of poor coverage and the need to cheat over the top.
4) Injuries to our top 2 RB. Specifically how it removed our outside running game. Choice was admirable but without runs to the outside it allowed defenses to get away with overplaying the middle.
5) Injuries to Romo's hand and back robbed him of his accuracy.
6) Poor tackling especially up the middle from our safeties and ILB.
7) Jerry forcing Houck on Wade. I have felt that Houck is overrated specially against the blitz. I recall that 1997 Cards playoff game where Troy was getting steamrolled and we were impotent to do anything against it.
8) An overall lack of faith in rookies. Felix, Bennett, Choice,etc never got playing time unless absolutely forced to do so. It caused overuse of Barber early and led to his injury and kept players like Henry and Curtis out there.
9) Erratic playcalling form both coordinators. Garrett had no vision to his game plans and Stewart had no idea how to mesh a pass rush and coverage.


I could go on but the point is that there is a single simple scapegoat is ludicrous IMO.

ok so we can agree that one of the problems is Jerry and we can also agree that there isn't just 1 problem with this team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

ok so we can agree that one of the problems is Jerry and we can also agree that there isn't just 1 problem with this team.

I don't label people as 'problems.' Thats your vernacular not mine. I think that some of what he does causes problems but I also do not think its even close to insurmountable.

 

[yimyammer]

So that is what you are going with. So a super bowl run would be a disappointment to you?

I'm not sure how you get that from my statement. If Jerrys ways worked, I wouldn't be critical. I think there is plenty of evidence to say they don't work.

My point is that anothoer 9-7 season might cause Jerry to continue to feel he's doing things right and won't make necessary changes whereas a 2-14 season with the current roster would be an abject disaster that MIGHT cause Jerry to finally humble himself and make changes that will keep the team competitive for years.

I could never wish a 2-14 season upon the team I love, but if it happened it would take the steam off if I knew that Jerry was humiliated to the point where he finally has to acknowledge permenant and lasting changes need to be made.

In the current NFL, I don't believe you have to have a roster filled with high priced super stars. You need a strong organization with a clear and concise mission with all staff, coaches, scouts and management focused on achieving that goal. This team has no identity, no consistency and a culture of hype lacking substance. As owner and GM, I believe Jerry should make his expectations clearly known, empower those he's hired to accomplish those goals and never do anyything to undermind their authority (unless he needs to fire them).

I also think the organization (ie Jerry) needs to understand winning is the best marketing and it must come before fame, not the other way around.

The Cowboys are a historic franchise, players everywhere should want to play here, to have the pride of having the star on their helmet, to try and contribute to the rich history of Cowboys past and this pride should be evident in how they perform on the field. This should be an advantage the Cowboys can exploit to keep them consistently ahead of the competition.

As it stands, it appears players come here to get their last big pay check before they retire, not because they think they're coming to win championships.

You really have to wonder what the future fan base of the Cowboys will be. 13 years without any succes, why would any kid be a fan of the Cowboys? It's got to have some long term effect, of course that won't matter to Jerry cause he'll be dead and gone before the long term ramifications of his performance really kicks in.

 

[percyhoward]

I also think there is more to the story, but Jerry simply didn't want him. I honestly believe, like what I believe is the root of all his issues, it was his ego. I think he had a last minute realization that if somehow Reeves was able to bring stability or big time positive effects to the organization everyone would be touting what a great job Reeves did, and how he saved the Boys.

At least before Jerry's "last minute realization," he got 2 1/2 days of input from Reeves on our running game.

Somebody can take a lot of notes in 2 1/2 days.

 

[Cowboys2008]

Really?

So we really believe it all came down to this, huh?

 

[khiladi]

Oh, he might know how to make money...but when it comes to running an organization, he's an idiot.

I have NEVER heard an interview where I walked away and thought "Hmmmm...bright guy"

Parcells...I didn't like him when he was with the Cowboys..but I ALWAYS walked away from his interviews and thought "Bright guy"

In that case, Jason Garrett is also a bright guy... He sure as hell can't run an offense though...