We have serious question marks???

[LittleBoyBlue]

We have serious question marks???
Can I have some serious feedback as to where you may agree or disagree. This teams future is of real concern for me as a fan.

1. QB current and future???
2. WR's current and future???
3. Running Back current and future??? did we draft the right guy? Stephen Jackson was prob way to go...
4. O-Line current and future???
5. Free Safety current and future???
6. Kicker current and future???
7. Deep Snapper current and future???
8. Defensive scheme current and future???
9. Coaching staff current and future??? HC, OC, DC etc...
10. We are just about a .500 team in his tenure

THAT is too much. Too many holes. I am not happy. Many arent. I have tried the whole Rose colored glasses thing where I tell myself "we are improving" which we are... but not enough, not even by a long shot.

Then to top it off. When BP was asked weeks ago about being coach next year. He handled it wrong. All he had to say(even if he lied) is say that Yes I am coming back. They do it all the time to avoid and kill the question. You know as well as I do. When you have "controversy" or any kind of "team turmoil" or "uncertainty" IT AINT GOOD FOR TEAM. Left the team hanging and they usually lose when that happens.

 

[maxsports]

QB current and future??? Current QB is fine-with better Oline. Future QB is in question
as always since Jerry ignored that for so many years.
WR's current and future??? Current WR'S fine. I believe the future will begin to be addressed in the next 2 years.
Running Back current and future??? did we draft the right guy? Stephen Jackson was prob way to go... I love our running back situation!!!! With an OLine, it will be great. What has Stephen Jackson done? Yu don't even hear his name!
O-Line current and future??? This is our biggest problem!!!
Free Safety current and future??? Will be addressed this off season
Kicker current and future??? Will be addressed this off season
Deep Snapper current and future??? What is the matter with Ladocoeur? He did fine once he was around a while. You never heard his name the last few games which is exactly how you want it.
Defensive scheme current and future??? Please Zimmer get a job!!!! We need a fiery DC!
Coaching staff current and future??? HC, OC, DC etc... Why worry about this today? Worrying about what might happen at the end of next season is useless!!
We are just about a .500 team in his tenure- Watch and see. Parcells came to a team that had very little talent. He came here to clean up the mess Jerry made. He will leave us with a talented young team with alot of potential.

 

[djmajestik]

We have serious question marks???
Can I have some serious feedback as to where you may agree or disagree. This teams future is of real concern for me as a fan.

1. QB current and future???
2. WR's current and future???
3. Running Back current and future??? did we draft the right guy? Stephen Jackson was prob way to go...
4. O-Line current and future???
5. Free Safety current and future???
6. Kicker current and future???
7. Deep Snapper current and future???
8. Defensive scheme current and future???
9. Coaching staff current and future??? HC, OC, DC etc...
10. We are just about a .500 team in his tenure

THAT is too much. Too many holes. I am not happy. Many arent. I have tried the whole Rose colored glasses thing where I tell myself "we are improving" which we are... but not enough, not even by a long shot.

Then to top it off. When BP was asked weeks ago about being coach next year. He handled it wrong. All he had to say(even if he lied) is say that Yes I am coming back. They do it all the time to avoid and kill the question. You know as well as I do. When you have "controversy" or any kind of "team turmoil" or "uncertainty" IT AINT GOOD FOR TEAM. Left the team hanging and they usually lose when that happens.

Maybe BP dodged the question to give the mediots (and us) something to talk about besides their dismal second half of the year. BP is all about head games.

 

[texastwister]

I like how guys keep thinking we drafted the wrong RB. Jackson Jones and Jones have all been dinged their first 2 years.
Jackson-1046yds 8TD 15 games
Jones-664yds 5TD 13 games
Julius-993yds 5TD 13 games

Not sure on the games played. I thought Jackson / K Jones missed more time. I know he didnt play much in 3 games due to injury

My point is Jackson has been dinged as much as anyone Julius played less games and if we wouldve played the last game probably would have rushed more than Jackson.

 

[The Fonz]

QB current and future??? Current QB is fine-with better Oline. Future QB is in question
as always since Jerry ignored that for so many years.
WR's current and future??? Current WR'S fine. I believe the future will begin to be addressed in the next 2 years.
Running Back current and future??? did we draft the right guy? Stephen Jackson was prob way to go... I love our running back situation!!!! With an OLine, it will be great. What has Stephen Jackson done? Yu don't even hear his name!
O-Line current and future??? This is our biggest problem!!!
Free Safety current and future??? Will be addressed this off season
Kicker current and future??? Will be addressed this off season
Deep Snapper current and future??? What is the matter with Ladocoeur? He did fine once he was around a while. You never heard his name the last few games which is exactly how you want it.
Defensive scheme current and future??? Please Zimmer get a job!!!! We need a fiery DC!
Coaching staff current and future??? HC, OC, DC etc... Why worry about this today? Worrying about what might happen at the end of next season is useless!!
We are just about a .500 team in his tenure- Watch and see. Parcells came to a team that had very little talent. He came here to clean up the mess Jerry made. He will leave us with a talented young team with alot of potential.

Good points I will add one to that fire special team coatch and get a real one ..and we do need Steve Hoffman back too

 

[Clove]

QB current and future???
Current..The best one that was available, and can hold down the fort for a year or 2.
Future one is in question.

WR's current and future???
Crayton is a solid 2 or 3 in this league.. Glenn is a great 3 and possible 2..He's got 2 more years solid.
Future.... Up in the air.

Running Back current and future??? did we draft the right guy? Stephen Jackson was prob way to go...
Jones = Jones & Spears.... 2 for 1 special.. I say that's pretty good..
Future...We've seen what Jones can do and you can only imagine him with a great running line, blocking TE (not Dan Campbell & Witten who are horrible blockers but I'll keep Witten) and blocking FB.O-Line current and future???

Free Safety current and future???
You are dead right there.

Kicker current and future???
You are dead right there too.

Deep Snapper current and future???
I didn't see any glaring needs there.

Defensive scheme current and future???
For a defense that finished 16th last year, and for us running the 3-4 this year, with 9 new starters (Ware,Canty,Spears,Ferguson,James,Shanle,Fujita,Davis,Henry)and 3 starting rookies, I say we did a hell of a job in the 3-4 and can only get better.

Coaching staff current and future??? HC, OC, DC etc...
You got me there

We are just about a .500 team in his tenure
Consider this past year Bills first year here.

 

[Juke99]

I'm only gonna weigh in on one of these....

I read, often, how our QB is fine if we put together a good offensive line.

I have a problem with this.

First off, just about ANY NFL QB is good with a good offensive line. You give a back up NFL QB time to throw and alot of them will pick a defense apart....especially given the new rules that don't allow DB's to play a physical game.

Now...my issue with Bledsoe (who btw, I think did an ok job)....we can't get by with an average offensive line and Bledsoe....we can't get by with a good offensive line and Bledsoe....because of his complete lack of mobility AND habit of fumbling when being sacked, we need a VERY good offensive line.

Unless we luck out with some draft picks, this is gonna cost mucho $$$$....and that's mucho $$$$ that could be spent elsewhere...

My issues with Bledsoe and Parcells bringing him to Dallas is that he forced our hand because he is so immobile.

I went to the 2003 Monday night game vs the Giants. Prior to that game, I had supported Hutch...Not QC....but after the game, I understood why Parcells went with QC. Our offensive line was not good and we needed a QB who could avoid the rush...not necessarily scramble all over the field because for all his mobility, QC was never a particularly good runner...but a guy who could make a couple of moves in the pocket to buy time...it allowed us to get by with an average offensive line.

Bledsoe forces our hand. He is SO bad in the pocket that we are going to need an extremely good offensive line so long as he is behind center.

So, from my standpoint, our QB position IS a problem. Regardless of the fact that he actually put up decent numbers. He LIMITS how we can play the game...he limits our offensive game planning and if we are to give him the protection he requires, he's gonna be a serious draw on the cap.

 

[Clove]

I'm only gonna weigh in on one of these....

I read, often, how our QB is fine if we put together a good offensive line.

I have a problem with this.

First off, just about ANY NFL QB is good with a good offensive line. You give a back up NFL QB time to throw and alot of them will pick a defense apart....especially given the new rules that don't allow DB's to play a physical game.

Now...my issue with Bledsoe (who btw, I think did an ok job)....we can't get by with an average offensive line and Bledsoe....we can't get by with a good offensive line and Bledsoe....because of his complete lack of mobility AND habit of fumbling when being sacked, we need a VERY good offensive line.

Unless we luck out with some draft picks, this is gonna cost mucho $$$$....and that's mucho $$$$ that could be spent elsewhere...

My issues with Bledsoe and Parcells bringing him to Dallas is that he forced our hand because he is so immobile.

I went to the 2003 Monday night game vs the Giants. Prior to that game, I had supported Hutch...Not QC....but after the game, I understood why Parcells went with QC. Our offensive line was not good and we needed a QB who could avoid the rush...not necessarily scramble all over the field because for all his mobility, QC was never a particularly good runner...but a guy who could make a couple of moves in the pocket to buy time...it allowed us to get by with an average offensive line.

Bledsoe forces our hand. He is SO bad in the pocket that we are going to need an extremely good offensive line so long as he is behind center.

So, from my standpoint, our QB position IS a problem. Regardless of the fact that he actually put up decent numbers. He LIMITS how we can play the game...he limits our offensive game planning and if we are to give him the protection he requires, he's gonna be a serious draw on the cap.

Where we are now, I just think that he could serve as a mentor for the next QB IF we draft or pick up or give Henson/Romo a chance...

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Running Back current and future??? did we draft the right guy? Stephen Jackson was prob way to go...

What a silly question, remember we also got the extra second that we used on Jacob Rogers..................

 

[Juke99]

Where we are now, I just think that he could serve as a mentor for the next QB IF we draft or pick up or give Henson/Romo a chance...

Bledsoe is ok...He performed better than I thought he would...and I agree, with an excellent O-Line, he'll be good...the problem is, do we want to commit Cap $$$ for an all star O-Line in order to protect him because we can have 4 excellent O linemen and if the fifth breaks down on a play, Bledsoe doesn't even have the mobility to avoid ONE guy...so every lineman is going to have to be solid...and we are going to need depth.

I just think that people don't realize how limiting he can be to an offense.

As far as being a mentor, I'm sure already is....but the young guys are NEVER going to get a chance to even sniff the field if Parcells is the coach.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

QB current and future???

Absolutely. However, I still believe Bledsoe has 2 good years left in the tank (remember, he's 33 years old and Mark Brunnell produced at 35 and Trent Green at 36)

Also remember, there's not really a lot of teams that know they have a franchise QB for at least the next 5 years. I've seen worse, but it's a concern.

WR's current and future???

Got Crayton who could easily replace Keyshawn. 3rd WR's are easy to find. Finding the speedster to eventually replace Glenn is the key.

Running Back current and future??? did we draft the right guy? Stephen Jackson was prob way to go...

Look at the stats, Jackson has done less than Julius so far. I like what we have at RB and think Barber could be a solid RB starter in this league. Oh yeah, Tyson Thompson was promising too. I have no worries about the running backs, the O-Line just sucks.

O-Line current and future???

Our biggest problem as outside of Flozell, all of them either need to go or get some serious competition. Plus, they've already paid quite a bit for both guards. Fortunately, interior linemen aren't too hard to find. Unfortunately, tackles are and they will need to find a replacement for Flozell sooner or later.

Free Safety current and future???

Current FS suck, but were covered up when the defense was healthy. Needs to be addressed and by the sounds of the press conferences, it will be. Good thing is that finding capable free safeties is not a difficult or expensive task.

Kicker current and future???

Major problem. Cost us the playoffs and the NFC East.

Deep Snapper current and future???

Ladoceur wasn't a problem. A bit shaky at first, but I charted his snaps and he was getting better about every week to the point where he was doing a fine job. If he continues to snap it like this, they are fine.

Defensive scheme current and future???

They are staying with the 3-4. Jerry likes it. So do I.

Coaching staff current and future??? HC, OC, DC etc...

I'm not big time bashers of Payton or Zimmer, but it wouldn't kill me to see them gone either. I don't know how Payton would get a job, but Zimmer I could see to a degree. Parcells is the big key, but I don't see him going anywhere for now. A year from now is the bigger question.

We are just about a .500 team in his tenure

They were also 5-11 the three years prior. It was a big mess he had to clean up and it's now obvious that the scouting department before Parcells was atrocious as so many former players are not even in the league anymore.


Rich.....

 

[Jarv]

Bledsoe is ok...He performed better than I thought he would...and I agree, with an excellent O-Line, he'll be good...the problem is, do we want to commit Cap $$$ for an all star O-Line in order to protect him because we can have 4 excellent O linemen and if the fifth breaks down on a play, Bledsoe doesn't even have the mobility to avoid ONE guy...so every lineman is going to have to be solid...and we are going to need depth.

I just think that people don't realize how limiting he can be to an offense.

As far as being a mentor, I'm sure already is....but the young guys are NEVER going to get a chance to even sniff the field if Parcells is the coach.

I have a secret video of Henson actually sticking his nose on the turf at Texas stadium and BP seeing it and making him run laps.

I'm gonna put it on Ebay and sell it to the highest bidder.

 

[Yeagermeister]

I hear BrainPaint has problems with marks also

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'm only gonna weigh in on one of these....

I read, often, how our QB is fine if we put together a good offensive line.

I have a problem with this.

First off, just about ANY NFL QB is good with a good offensive line. You give a back up NFL QB time to throw and alot of them will pick a defense apart....especially given the new rules that don't allow DB's to play a physical game.

Now...my issue with Bledsoe (who btw, I think did an ok job)....we can't get by with an average offensive line and Bledsoe....we can't get by with a good offensive line and Bledsoe....because of his complete lack of mobility AND habit of fumbling when being sacked, we need a VERY good offensive line.

Unless we luck out with some draft picks, this is gonna cost mucho $$$$....and that's mucho $$$$ that could be spent elsewhere...

My issues with Bledsoe and Parcells bringing him to Dallas is that he forced our hand because he is so immobile.

I went to the 2003 Monday night game vs the Giants. Prior to that game, I had supported Hutch...Not QC....but after the game, I understood why Parcells went with QC. Our offensive line was not good and we needed a QB who could avoid the rush...not necessarily scramble all over the field because for all his mobility, QC was never a particularly good runner...but a guy who could make a couple of moves in the pocket to buy time...it allowed us to get by with an average offensive line.

Bledsoe forces our hand. He is SO bad in the pocket that we are going to need an extremely good offensive line so long as he is behind center.

So, from my standpoint, our QB position IS a problem. Regardless of the fact that he actually put up decent numbers. He LIMITS how we can play the game...he limits our offensive game planning and if we are to give him the protection he requires, he's gonna be a serious draw on the cap.

Good post. I would like to add that this whole "win now" and "he gives us best chance to win" has only worked in theory. IMO we should have brought in Bledsoe to backup Henson and start from bottom.... YOU HAVVE TO ANYWAYS IN NFL... we CONTINUE(I repeat CONTINUE) to AVOID starting from the bottom up at that position. It is costing us time/years. Before you know it we are gonna have a 15+ year drought on our hands.
It is absolutely ridiculous to say that ANYONE(BP or JJ or the best QB talent evaluator) to say that Henson doenst have "It" or "he is not the one" or "he cant handle the pressure of playing QB" - WE DONT KNOW... throw him in there like the Giants did with Manning... albeit different situation coming out of college(Henson has not sat out 2 seasons) GET HIM IN THERE...

 

[Clove]

Bledsoe is ok...He performed better than I thought he would...and I agree, with an excellent O-Line, he'll be good...the problem is, do we want to commit Cap $$$ for an all star O-Line in order to protect him because we can have 4 excellent O linemen and if the fifth breaks down on a play, Bledsoe doesn't even have the mobility to avoid ONE guy...so every lineman is going to have to be solid...and we are going to need depth.

I just think that people don't realize how limiting he can be to an offense.

As far as being a mentor, I'm sure already is....but the young guys are NEVER going to get a chance to even sniff the field if Parcells is the coach.

But under Parcells, he's not going to move Bledsoe, or play the young guys and that sucks for me.

I think it's worth spending money on the OLine, as it also helps the running game.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Ok I am gonna go there... how many of those 11 loses were because of Campo and his poor coaching... I dunno lets say 3 or so games... all BP did was win those games(smarter coach I will give him that... not much change there....

we went 10-6, 6-10 and 9-7 = 25-23

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Ok I am gonna go there... how many of those 11 loses were because of Campo and his poor coaching... I dunno lets say 3 or so games... all BP did was win those games(smarter coach I will give him that... not much change there....

we went 10-6, 6-10 and 9-7 = 25-23

Let's look at the 2002 starting squad vs. the 2005 starting squad.

Position...................2002....................................2005

QB..................Carter/Hutch (both out of league........Bledsoe (83.7 QB rating)

RB....................Hambrick (out of league).................julius/Marion

FB....................Thomas (out of league)...................Polite

WR.................Bryant/Galloway/Scott (out of league)....Key/Terry/Crayton

TE...................McGee (out of league)...................Witten/Campbell

LT..................Flozell........................................Flozell/Tucker

LG................Allen (got injured)/Garmon................Allen

C..................Walter........................................Johnson/Gurode

RG................Lehr...........................................Rivera

RT...............Collins (out of league)...................Pettiti


So, out of the offense, the 2002 team had 7 starters or backups that got a lot of playing time that were out of the league only 3 years later. I think if this shows anything, it's that Parcells does have a good eye for talent as the people he's brought in have done much better than the 2002 players. The one place they are struggling is at O-Line, which still consists of a lot of guys picked by Jerry.


DEFENSE

2002 front seven (Ellis, Glover, Noble, Ekuban, Nguyen, Coakley, Kevin Hardy)

2005 front seven (Ellis, Glover, Spears, Ware, Shanle, James, Fujita)

Here's the difference though. This front seven has a lot more depth and was much better sacking the QB. In 2002 they had only 24 sacks and finished 30th in adjusted sack ratio. However in 2005, they had 37 sacks and finished 8th in adjusted sack ratio.

Now for the secondary:

POSITION........................2002.............................................2005

CB...........Westbrook/Goodrich/Hawthorne (all out of the league)....Newman

CB...........Edwards (not in league).................................Henry/Glenn

CB............Ross (not in league)......................................Reeves

SS...........Woodson (retired).......................................Williams

FS............Williams..................................................Davis/Pile

The secondary is better by boatloads. The CB's stunk sans Edwards who played excellent that year. But Edwards became obsolete with the reinforcement of the illegal chuck and pass interference rules.

Parcells came in with a ton of bad players on both offense and defense. Guys that were relatively young found themselves out of the league because they just plain stunk or in Derrick Ross' case, were such trouble makers they found himself out of the league. Dwayne Goodrich is in jail for cryin' out loud. Quincy needed to go to a mental institution.

The best players were all either old (i.e. Allen, Woodson, Galloway, Coakley) or mid year vets that didn't fit into his system because they were undersized. And it's apparent that going to the 3-4 was a better idea when you look at the sack totals and such.

The only two talented and young players he really had were Roy and Antonio Bryant (who reportedly may be on his way out in Cleveland, too).

This was a MASSIVE undertaking needing to get rid of the entire backfield, TE's, QB's, and overhauling the entire defense.

And the fact remains that this team goes 12-4 this season if they have a decent kicker who can make anything outside of 25 yards.

Rich..........

 

[Yeagermeister]

Let's look at the 2002 starting squad vs. the 2005 starting squad.

Position...................2002....................................2005

QB..................Carter/Hutch (both out of league........Bledsoe (83.7 QB rating)

RB....................Hambrick (out of league).................julius/Marion

FB....................Thomas (out of league)...................Polite

WR.................Bryant/Galloway/Scott (out of league)....Key/Terry/Crayton

TE...................McGee (out of league)...................Witten/Campbell

LT..................Flozell........................................Flozell/Tucker

LG................Allen (got injured)/Garmon................Allen

C..................Walter........................................Johnson/Gurode

RG................Lehr...........................................Rivera

RT...............Collins (out of league)...................Pettiti


So, out of the offense, the 2002 team had 7 starters or backups that got a lot of playing time that were out of the league only 3 years later. I think if this shows anything, it's that Parcells does have a good eye for talent as the people he's brought in have done much better than the 2002 players. The one place they are struggling is at O-Line, which still consists of a lot of guys picked by Jerry.


DEFENSE

2002 front seven (Ellis, Glover, Noble, Ekuban, Nguyen, Coakley, Kevin Hardy)

2005 front seven (Ellis, Glover, Spears, Ware, Shanle, James, Fujita)

Here's the difference though. This front seven has a lot more depth and was much better sacking the QB. In 2002 they had only 24 sacks and finished 30th in adjusted sack ratio. However in 2005, they had 37 sacks and finished 8th in adjusted sack ratio.

Now for the secondary:

POSITION........................2002.............................................2005

CB...........Westbrook/Goodrich/Hawthorne (all out of the league)....Newman

CB...........Edwards (not in league).................................Henry/Glenn

CB............Ross (not in league)......................................Reeves

SS...........Woodson (retired).......................................Williams

FS............Williams..................................................Davis/Pile

The secondary is better by boatloads. The CB's stunk sans Edwards who played excellent that year. But Edwards became obsolete with the reinforcement of the illegal chuck and pass interference rules.

Parcells came in with a ton of bad players on both offense and defense. Guys that were relatively young found themselves out of the league because they just plain stunk or in Derrick Ross' case, were such trouble makers they found himself out of the league. Dwayne Goodrich is in jail for cryin' out loud. Quincy needed to go to a mental institution.

The best players were all either old (i.e. Allen, Woodson, Galloway, Coakley) or mid year vets that didn't fit into his system because they were undersized. And it's apparent that going to the 3-4 was a better idea when you look at the sack totals and such.

The only two talented and young players he really had were Roy and Antonio Bryant (who reportedly may be on his way out in Cleveland, too).

This was a MASSIVE undertaking needing to get rid of the entire backfield, TE's, QB's, and overhauling the entire defense.

And the fact remains that this team goes 12-4 this season if they have a decent kicker who can make anything outside of 25 yards.

Rich..........

Ouch......I haven't seem a butt kicking that bad since Mike Tyson was a young pup

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Let's look at the 2002 starting squad vs. the 2005 starting squad.

Position...................2002....................................2005

QB..................Carter/Hutch (both out of league........Bledsoe (83.7 QB rating)

RB....................Hambrick (out of league).................julius/Marion

FB....................Thomas (out of league)...................Polite

WR.................Bryant/Galloway/Scott (out of league)....Key/Terry/Crayton

TE...................McGee (out of league)...................Witten/Campbell

LT..................Flozell........................................Flozell/Tucker

LG................Allen (got injured)/Garmon................Allen

C..................Walter........................................Johnson/Gurode

RG................Lehr...........................................Rivera

RT...............Collins (out of league)...................Pettiti


So, out of the offense, the 2002 team had 7 starters or backups that got a lot of playing time that were out of the league only 3 years later. I think if this shows anything, it's that Parcells does have a good eye for talent as the people he's brought in have done much better than the 2002 players. The one place they are struggling is at O-Line, which still consists of a lot of guys picked by Jerry.


DEFENSE

2002 front seven (Ellis, Glover, Noble, Ekuban, Nguyen, Coakley, Kevin Hardy)

2005 front seven (Ellis, Glover, Spears, Ware, Shanle, James, Fujita)

Here's the difference though. This front seven has a lot more depth and was much better sacking the QB. In 2002 they had only 24 sacks and finished 30th in adjusted sack ratio. However in 2005, they had 37 sacks and finished 8th in adjusted sack ratio.

Now for the secondary:

POSITION........................2002.............................................2005

CB...........Westbrook/Goodrich/Hawthorne (all out of the league)....Newman

CB...........Edwards (not in league).................................Henry/Glenn

CB............Ross (not in league)......................................Reeves

SS...........Woodson (retired).......................................Williams

FS............Williams..................................................Davis/Pile

The secondary is better by boatloads. The CB's stunk sans Edwards who played excellent that year. But Edwards became obsolete with the reinforcement of the illegal chuck and pass interference rules.

Parcells came in with a ton of bad players on both offense and defense. Guys that were relatively young found themselves out of the league because they just plain stunk or in Derrick Ross' case, were such trouble makers they found himself out of the league. Dwayne Goodrich is in jail for cryin' out loud. Quincy needed to go to a mental institution.

The best players were all either old (i.e. Allen, Woodson, Galloway, Coakley) or mid year vets that didn't fit into his system because they were undersized. And it's apparent that going to the 3-4 was a better idea when you look at the sack totals and such.

The only two talented and young players he really had were Roy and Antonio Bryant (who reportedly may be on his way out in Cleveland, too).

This was a MASSIVE undertaking needing to get rid of the entire backfield, TE's, QB's, and overhauling the entire defense.

And the fact remains that this team goes 12-4 this season if they have a decent kicker who can make anything outside of 25 yards.

Rich..........

And in 3 years some of those players may not being playing either... so in three years he took some garbage out... ok?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

And in 3 years some of those players may not being playing either... so in three years he took some garbage out... ok?

True, but I can't imagine it being at the rate the 2002 team was. I think the main difference is that the guys on this roster that will be gone in 3 years will be due to age. Unlike the 2002 roster with guys like Hawthorne, Hambrick, etc who just weren't good enough to begin with.


Rich...........