We will "rue the day" that we let Garrett go

[theogt]

What has he done other than back up Troy and graduate from Princeton?

If he'd gone to, say, Oklahoma State and looked like Brad Childress, would people be saying how great he is based on what he's produced as a pro coach?

Serious question.

:signmast:

 

[rcaldw]

What has he done other than back up Troy and graduate from Princeton?

If he'd gone to, say, Oklahoma State and looked like Brad Childress, would people be saying how great he is based on what he's produced as a pro coach?

Serious question.

But he DID go to Princeton , and he DOESN'T look like Brad Childress , and he DID lead an effective offense LAST SEASON. Oh, I know, that was ALL Tony Sparano. Ok. Those Dolphins sure looked good against the Ravens on offense didn't they?

This one won't get settled on this board, we can all be assured of that, lets just wait and see if he gets hired somewhere else, and if he does we will find out how he does soon enough.

 

[Doomsday101]

I remember someone started a thread a while back about what does "rue the day" mean?

Well here ya go.


If Garrett goes elsewhere... HE WILL have much success and many will flip flop.


For me... I hope he stays. The guy is quality. The guy is premium. The guy is top shelf.

I don't rue but I do hope Garrett stays. I think he is a young bright coach who has does some good things and needs to improve on others. I still think his future is very bright in the NFL and would hate to lose him

 

[theogt]

But he DID go to Princeton

So?

and he DOESN'T look like Brad Childress

Clearly a major qualification for HC.

and he DID lead an effective offense LAST SEASON. Oh, I know, that was ALL Tony Sparano.

Glad you agree.

The only thing that Garrett has on his resume that says he'd be a good coach is a quote from Troy Aikman.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How many All Pros does Denver have? Because Garrett pretty much needs one at every single position for his offense to work. I hope they don't, like, have a middle of the road interior offensive lineman go down with injury at some point in the season, because that could torpedo the entire team.

I don't know if you are being sarcastically negative, or just negative

but you are freakin' hilarious

for the people saying that in time Garrett could be HC, or even OC material, that could be the time when our window to win a playoff game closes

 

[30yrheel]

fire garrett, hire shanahan.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Oh, I know, that was ALL Tony Sparano. Ok. Those Dolphins sure looked good against the Ravens on offense didn't they?

Sparano somehow put up a Top 5 scoring offense with this Cowboys team without Garrett's help in 2006 (with only 10 games of Romo starting and without a $50 million dollar offensive guard).

How did Garrett do without Sparano this year?

The deductive math pretty much speaks for itself. One piece of the equation certainly seems to have more of an impact than another.

 

[Shinywalrus]

What has he done other than back up Troy and graduate from Princeton?

If he'd gone to, say, Oklahoma State and looked like Brad Childress, would people be saying how great he is based on what he's produced as a pro coach?

Serious question.

The 2007 Dallas Cowboys were one of the most prolific offenses in franchise history and among the more efficient, explosive and dangerous passing offenses in NFL history. Overshadowed by an embarrassing playoff loss and the record-setting New England Patriots, the productivity of that squad was remarkable.

The value of a young coordinator that oversaw and assisted in orchestrating that kind of offense merits a good bit of thoughtfulness about how quickly you want to cut ties.

 

[rcaldw]

So?

Clearly a major qualification for HC.

Glad you agree.

The only thing that Garrett has on his resume that says he'd be a good coach is a quote from Troy Aikman.

Hehe and what does HE know about football? Clearly, I would rather listen to you. or me for that matter

 

[30yrheel]

I don't know if you are being sarcastically negative, or just negative

but you are freakin' hilarious

for the people saying that in time Garrett could be HC, or even OC material, that could be the time when most of our cast is heading into their twilight years ( as far as football careers go ) that's as far behind Garrett is

i'm an unc alum and big tar heel fan. nicks is amazing, reminds me some of mike irvin. he's looking like a second rounder right now.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't know if you are being sarcastically negative, or just negative

but you are freakin' hilarious

for the people saying that in time Garrett could be HC, or even OC material, that could be the time when most of our cast is heading into their twilight years ( as far as football careers go ) that's as far behind Garrett is

And if you fired coaches at the drop of a hat you will never have anything. Every coach who has been mentioned around here at one time or another had to go through what Garrett is. One day you’re called a genius the next and idiot yet somewhere in between is where most coaches really are in their knowledge and understanding of the game and their jobs.

 

[theogt]

It's addition by subtraction. Or maybe it's just subtraction by subtraction.

Sparano + Tony = Top 5 offense

Sparano + Tony + Garrett = Top 5 offense

Tony + Garrett = Disaster

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And if you fired coaches at the drop of a hat you will never have anything. Every coach who has been mentioned around here at one time or another had to go through what Garrett is. One day you’re called a genius the next and idiot yet somewhere in between is where most coaches really are in their knowledge and understanding of the game and their jobs.

that's why you hire people ready to coordinate a whole offense

not because he has ties and came from Princeton...

 

[30yrheel]

The 2007 Dallas Cowboys were one of the most prolific offenses in franchise history and among the more efficient, explosive and dangerous passing offenses in NFL history. Overshadowed by an embarrassing playoff loss and the record-setting New England Patriots, the productivity of that squad was remarkable.

The value of a young coordinator that oversaw and assisted in orchestrating that kind of offense merits a good bit of thoughtfulness about how quickly you want to cut ties.

and by the end of last year he was getting out coached, which carried over into this year. didn't make the adjustments when defenses countered.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Sparano somehow put up a Top 5 scoring offense with this Cowboys team without Garrett's help in 2006 (with only 10 games of Romo starting and without a $50 million dollar offensive guard).

How did Garrett do without Sparano this year?

The deductive math pretty much speaks for itself. One piece of the equation certainly seems to have more of an impact than another.

I read some stupid statements on these boards, but stupid statements couched in flowery language have to be among the most infuriating.

The deductive math doesn't speak for itself, of course, because you haven't accounted for the 3 trillion other variables that have differed between the two situations. If you really think you can distill the difference in performance between two teams to the presence and absence of a particular coach in two completely different years with two completely different circumstances with completely different scenarios playing out, you need to take your shoe off and beat yourself with it until the beginning of the 2009 football season or until you lose consciousness, whichever comes first.

 

[theogt]

I read some stupid statements on these boards, but stupid statements couched in flowery language have to be among the most infuriating.

The deductive math doesn't speak for itself, of course, because you haven't accounted for the 3 trillion other variables that have differed between the two situations. If you really think you can distill the difference in performance between two teams to the presence and absence of a particular coach in two completely different years with two completely different circumstances with completely different scenarios playing out, you need to take your shoe off and beat yourself with it until the beginning of the 2009 football season or until you lose consciousness, whichever comes first.

In other words, we can never really know who is good and who is bad, so we shouldn't discuss it at all.

Great point.

 

[Doomsday101]

that's why you hire people ready to coordinate a whole offense

not because he has ties and came from Princeton...

I don't care if he went to Princeton or not I do know in Garrett early career as an OC he has done a lot of good things and has had his share of disapointments anyone who is in the coaching ranks have had their share as well. In all the years of listening to fans they are quick to dismiss a coach as some idiot the fact is the only idiots I see are the fans who if left up to them would be hiring and firing coaches right and left because as soon as a coach has a down year you guys want to fire him.

 

[Shinywalrus]

and by the end of last year he was getting out coached, which carried over into this year. didn't make the adjustments when defenses countered.

Who the devil is denying that? Honestly. That's a straw man because NO one is denying that his schemes were figured out and that he didn't adjust. Everyone agrees with that.

The inability to be dynamic in playcalling is the very essence of the type of skills that coaches develop through experience and difficult lessons like the 2008 season - if we aren't willing to give a 32 year old coordinator that showed so much promise so early the opportunity to use the experiences gained in that year to improve as a coach and a leader, then we're a bunch of reactionary automatons thirsting for blood.

 

[theogt]

I don't care if he went to Princeton or not I do know in Garrett early career as an OC he has done a lot of good things and has had his share of disapointments anyone who is in the coaching ranks have had their share as well. In all the years of listening to fans they are quick to dismiss a coach as some idiot the fact is the only idiots I see are the fans who if left up to them would be hiring and firing coaches right and left because as soon as a coach has a down year you guys want to fire him.

This isn't about firing a guy that had a down year. This is about firing a guy who didn't have the qualifications when he came here and has shown he's in over his head since.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't care if he went to Princeton or not I do know in Garrett early career as an OC he has done a lot of good things and has had his share of disapointments anyone who is in the coaching ranks have had their share as well. In all the years of listening to fans they are quick to dismiss a coach as some idiot the fact is the only idiots I see are the fans who if left up to them would be hiring and firing coaches right and left because as soon as a coach has a down year you guys want to fire him.

you didn't respond to my post

I'm saying Garrett should never have been put into this position in the 1st place, only Jerry and Cowboy fans under the '90s Cowboys spell, thought hiring Garrett would work out

and I was among them

it's nice to ride the carriage off the edge of the cliff, but that's when you're rebuilding

this talented cast of players on O won't be around forever, and like we saw in the Philly game, the supremely talented D can't carry it all season long, and they're being wasted too

this is a D that had 13 sacks in 2 games, and it's not in the playoffs because the O couldn't hold up their end