We would be silly to pass on Jarrett

[cowboy625]

Dwayne Jarrett: Kid runs a 4.6 forty and suddenly doesn't know how to catch and run routes, and is the same as Mike Williams. T.O. and Glen aren't getting any younger, this guy was rated as a top 10 prospect. Now he's suddenly a second round pick. Give me a break.

 

[Dcowboy84]

I absolutely agree with you 100%.

And who knows how Jurasek could work with him on speed?

I would take Jarrett absolutely

 

[Roughneck]

Meh.

I'd take Meachem, Bowe, or Ginn over him. There's a reason he is falling down draft boards and doesn't all have to do with his forty time.

 

[mmillman]

Jarrett's 40 time and his hands wouldn't make anyone silly for passing on him in the first round.

 

[mmillman]

I absolutely agree with you 100%.

And who knows how Jurasek could work with him on speed?

I would take Jarrett absolutely

Speed is one of those things that you cannot improve much in most players. Jarrett is not going to drop his 4.63 40 to 4.4 no matter who trains him. The only way it improves dramatically is when people lose body fat, correct bad form, or juice. I don't see Jarrett as improving on at least two of those three.

 

[Dcowboy84]

Speed is one of those things that you cannot improve much in most players. Jarrett is not going to drop his 4.63 40 to 4.4 no matter who trains him. The only way it improves dramatically is when people lose body fat, correct bad form, or juice. I don't see Jarrett as improving on at least two of those three.

Well i'm not saying that he could drop to 4.4, but he could get help with his game speed, his technique for separation, getting that quick first step, using his hands for separation, etc.

I just think that what he brings to the game, his hands, vertical, etc, brings too much to look past him for just a 4.6 40 time.

 

[cowboy625]

It just always amazes me what a 40 time does. I can promise you, if he would have ran a 4.38, the "experts" would be talking about how he is a top 8 pick, and about how teams wouldn't be so enamored with Calvin Johnson because they could still get Jarrett.

Example, Houston from Arkasas was a proverbial nobody, runs a 4.3 forty and is now a 1st round pick

Patrick willis was a lat 1st rounder, runs a fast forty and is now a top 12 pick.

What ever happen to film study, and player production. How many times do you run forty straight yards in a game with no pads on and no one chasing you?

Yeah, thats what I thought also?

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Dwayne Jarrett: Kid runs a 4.6 forty and suddenly doesn't know how to catch and run routes, and is the same as Mike Williams. T.O. and Glen aren't getting any younger, this guy was rated as a top 10 prospect. Now he's suddenly a second round pick. Give me a break.

I agree with you fully.

 

[Teague31]

jerry rice and michael irvin didn't run very fast 40s and they turned out pretty good if memory serves.

 

[Dcowboy84]

It just always amazes me what a 40 time does. I can promise you, if he would have ran a 4.38, the "experts" would be talking about how he is a top 8 pick, and about how teams wouldn't be so enamored with Calvin Johnson because they could still get Jarrett.

Example, Houston from Arkasas was a proverbial nobody, runs a 4.3 forty and is now a 1st round pick

Patrick willis was a lat 1st rounder, runs a fast forty and is now a top 12 pick.

What ever happen to film study, and player production. How many times do you run forty straight yards in a game with no pads on and no one chasing you?

Yeah, thats what I thought also?

Well said, i could not have said it better myself.

Jarrett has the record for TDs in the Pac-10, which is pretty much an offensive-minded conference. He burned Leon Hall, who many experts have as a top 10 pick, for over 200 yds in the Rose Bowl.

As you said, it makes no sense that if a guy runs a 40 time .2 seconds slower than what is wanted, his body of work becomes a moot point.

 

[jfell99]

As an USC season ticket holder i've seen every one of Jarrett's games, and the kid is sick. He got better and faster with each game. And don't forget that he came up HUGE when it mattered (Both rose bowls, both ND games - including the amazing catch on the 4th and 9 from Leinart when he could only see out of one eye).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy_f8tB5DwA

We should be so lucky.

 

[Roughneck]

jerry rice and michael irvin didn't run very fast 40s and they turned out pretty good if memory serves.

Bringing up Irvin & Rice everytime the topic of Jarrett's 40 time comes up is just as stupid as those people who constantly compare him to Mike Williams.

 

[Future]

jerry rice and michael irvin didn't run very fast 40s and they turned out pretty good if memory serves.

they were just products of the system

 

[AmishCowboy]

Yeah, look at his Production, the kid's a player.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Feh.


Maybe in the 2nd round.

 

[AsthmaField]

I'm just not crazy about him.

This may be a bad thing to say... but NFL defenses are faster today than they were when Rice and Irvin were drafted. Yes, they still would've been good, but... good routes will only get you so much separation these days.

 

[masomenos]

Dwayne Jarrett: Kid runs a 4.6 forty and suddenly doesn't know how to catch and run routes, and is the same as Mike Williams. T.O. and Glen aren't getting any younger, this guy was rated as a top 10 prospect. Now he's suddenly a second round pick. Give me a break.

I'm just heard a quote on the NFL Network, it was a conversation between Bill Cowher and a scout at the combine...

Cowher: "Man, that guy can catch everything."
Scout: "He better be able to because he can't separate at all"

This is where the concern comes with Dwayne Jarrett. He still knows how to catch, he still knows how to run routes but he just doesn't show great ability to separate from the defender and that's crucial.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Interesting discussion. Jarrett dominated College Football from the time he was a freshman and had an incredible Rose Bowl against Michigan and their talented secondary, including their soon-to-be first round cornerback.

I realize he does not seperate like Marvin Harrison, but a lot of guys who weren't the quickest or fastest have had great careers because of other strengths like size, hands, competitivenesss, etc. I won't even bring up Irvin because so many others have already done so, but another guy who Jarrett could become is a player like Mushin Muhammed. That guy has been an absolutely great WR for a very long time and he's not the fastest or the quickest.

The questions I would want to answer concern his his heart, attitude, work ethic, etc. If Jarrett is NOT like Mike Williams in those areas and has the heart, competitiveness and dedication to be a truly great player, I would want him in heartbeat. The trouble is I've heard competely different views of him on those issues, so I just don't know what the truth is for him.

 

[big dog cowboy]

His lack of speed will make a much bigger impact in the NFL where the DB's are bigger and faster. I'll be disappointed if we take him.

 

[Kangaroo]

Show me the top 10 pass catchers in college football and their NFL stats in the last 7 years. Production is not everything in college yes it should be there but it is not everything.

Some guys do not translate while due to lack of speed size etc.

Look at all the heisman trophy winners that have done nothing in the NFL