Weeden vs Cassel

[Alexander]

He can be worse but the results (being 0-3) can't be worse. We are at the point of desperately needing something new to provide a spark. The only thing left is the QB.

RB too.

 

[USMarineVet]

Weeden stands in the pocket like his feet are in a block of cement. Granted there were times when nobody was open but you can't tell me that they are "never" open. Either he lacks the touch to place the ball where it needs to be or he doesn't trust himself enough to make those throws. He's become predictable and that will surely kill an offense no matter who you are.

At this point, any change at QB would be an upgrade. I'll be very disappointed if Garrett doesn't pull the trigger on Cassell. I'd rather lose to the Giants and see an improvement at QB than see the same old thing from Weeden. We have two weeks to get him ready and all the tape the Giants watch on Weeden will be moot. At least we go into the game with the element of surprise.

I'm hoping Showers is coming along. I'd prefer to see him as the backup to Cassell. At lease he's mobile and can extend the play with his legs if our receivers aren't getting open.

One thing's for sure "We Done" with Weedon.

 

[8FOR!3]

I'm hoping that if Dez comes back Cassell can be the equivalent of Garrett. Basically, a guy who doesn't start because he lacks the arm strength but can read a defense and make throws with enough touch and accuracy for a ball hawk like Dez to make a play. However, watching some footage of him on youtube from 2014, I was disappointed in his decision making. I will say the protection wasn't great in that game, but still...

That was UGLY. Couple of good passes here and there, but a lot of misses on short passes Weeden makes look easy. Hopefully it was just a bad game though.

 

[btcutter]

RB too.

They are all playing. Granted Michaels can get more touches but at least he's in the game.

 

[Alexander]

They are all playing. Granted Michaels can get more touches but at least he's in the game.

I hardly count 1 carry a game as being fair about playing time.

McFadden has had his shot. He's not even doing what he was touted to do best, which was pass protect.

 

[btcutter]

I hardly count 1 carry a game as being fair about playing time.

McFadden has had his shot. He's not even doing what he was touted to do best, which was pass protect.

I agree I've seen enough of McFadden to say that he's done. At this point he is purely insurance against injury. I don't see any upside. I don't know why coaches don't play Michaels more. Do they know something we don't?

 

[xwalker]

Why can't he be worse? He can easily be worse. Different is not necessarily better. The guy's a career journeyman whose stats have declined steadily from their peak over the last several seasons. You may see some more completions downfield, but if they're offset by more picks, it's not going to matter. Sure, it gives the illusion of progress, but it's really just motion and not progress.

That said, we do have to look seriously at whether or not we think Cassel might be an actual upgrade. Just because I'm saying he's not necessarily an upgrade, it doesn't mean he's not, in fact, an upgrade.

Yes, it's possible to be worse. If he comes out and throws a bunch of INTs early, then he would be worse.

If they had Hardy/McClain in the Falcons and Saints games I think the Cowboys win those. If they also had Dez/Gregory then I think they definitely win those games. If you think of the Giants as similar to those teams then the Cowboys definitely could beat the Giants with Weed at QB.

Hopefully, Cassell is definitely better but the possibility exists that another QB could be worse than Weed.

 

[Alexander]

I agree I've seen enough of McFadden to say that he's done. At this point he is purely insurance against injury. I don't see any upside. I don't know why coaches don't play Michaels more. Do they know something we don't?

Either that or they are trying to avoid the incentive that triggers the trade. All I know is having him active and giving him one touch is asinine.

 

[Future]

He somehow managed to win multiple games without Adrian Peterson in Minnesota . It's not like they had an all world cast there. Is your hope that Weeden is good enough or the teams that we are playing are bad enough that Weeden won't need to do more than he has done so far because of the Dallas defense? The offense is crippled with him playing. What gives you any confidence that Weeden will improve? It's not anyone else's fault that Weeden is not doing certain things that are completely within his control. Will Cassel throw more int's? I don't know, but if that happens because he is using the whole field and running the offense then at least that makes the defense play honest. Weeden has basically gone into a shell and has no intangible skills... can barely run hurry up, no sense of urgency, bad play fakes, no mobility or ability to extend plays, no hard count, etc.. and most importantly he has never shown the ability to overcome any of these things, this is who he is. For three weeks we have seen the same guy and it's not good enough.

No, he didn't win multiple games without AP. He was 0-1 with 4 INTs without Peterson. The win he had last year came against STL with AP.

Weeden's best performance, the drive against the Saints, came in the 2 minute offense. Romo plays with 0 urgency and lets the playclock get down to 1 consistently. We don't run any play fakes, so idk how he could be bad at them.

 

[GroundZero1970]

Yes, it's possible to be worse. If he comes out and throws a bunch of INTs early, then he would be worse.

If they had Hardy/McClain in the Falcons and Saints games I think the Cowboys win those. If they also had Dez/Gregory then I think they definitely win those games. If you think of the Giants as similar to those teams then the Cowboys definitely could beat the Giants with Weed at QB.

Hopefully, Cassell is definitely better but the possibility exists that another QB could be worse than Weed.

Weeden is 0-3 we just got blown out while our d played pretty well, even if Cassel goes 0-3 its still not worse than Weeden lol

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

If you're going to replace Weeden, the bye week is the best time to do it.

 

[PoundTheRock]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/there-...oorly-on-cowboys--172050491.html?soc_src=mail

Great article, which illustrates just how garbage this FO is.

 

[xwalker]

Cassell will throw deep, and all of these punts will turn into INT's.

Pick your poison.

Cassell has started 72 games and has 70 INTs (0.97 per game).

Romo has started 125 games and has 112 INTs(0.9 per game).

Weeden has 30 in 24 games so that's more than 1 per game.

 

[Alexander]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/there-...oorly-on-cowboys--172050491.html?soc_src=mail

Great article, which illustrates just how garbage this FO is.

Not exactly garbage.

It is just what they do. Leave one "I" undotted, one "T" uncrossed and it invariably becomes the one thing that derails a season thanks to injury or poor personnel decisions due to optimism.

Last season was the year that we had the injury and circumstantial fortune, in other words, an outlier.

 

[xwalker]

Weeden is 0-3 we just got blown out while our d played pretty well, even if Cassel goes 0-3 its still not worse than Weeden lol

I'm not in favor of Weed but they did have a chance to win both the Falcons and Saints games.

I don't want a QB that comes in and throws 3 INTs in the 1st QB and gives them zero chance to win.

I don't think Cassell would do that, just pointing out it could be worse.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I'm not in favor of Weed but they did have a chance to win both the Falcons and Saints games.

I don't want a QB that comes in and throws 3 INTs in the 1st QB and gives them zero chance to win.

I don't think Cassell would do that, just pointing out it could be worse.

That's exactly what I thought Weeden would do. He's surprised me in that way.

 

[Idgit]

I'm not in favor of Weed but they did have a chance to win both the Falcons and Saints games.

I don't want a QB that comes in and throws 3 INTs in the 1st QB and gives them zero chance to win.

I don't think Cassell would do that, just pointing out it could be worse.

It's more likely that Cassell comes in and picks up right where Weeden left off with the check downs and the limited play. As long as he takes care of the football, that's ok with me at this point. It's time for a spark, even if it's not necessarily a significant upgrade.

 

[KJJ]

Anytime you lose your starting QB you have to adjust to the strengths of your backup. The problem with Weeden is he has no strengths so the Cowboys have been forced to try and cover up for his weaknesses which makes it very difficult to run an efficient offense.

 

[Kevinicus]

I watched a lot of Cassel when he was in KC. He is head and shoulders above where Brandon Weeden is, and probably ever will be. It really is not even close. Cassel is to Weeden what Romo is to Cassel.

Do you want this?

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/v...ghlights/e0844d81-34fc-4e0a-b0eb-0e9b9fa1e231

or this?

 

[dallasdave]

Weeden stands in the pocket like his feet are in a block of cement. Granted there were times when nobody was open but you can't tell me that they are "never" open. Either he lacks the touch to place the ball where it needs to be or he doesn't trust himself enough to make those throws. He's become predictable and that will surely kill an offense no matter who you are.

At this point, any change at QB would be an upgrade. I'll be very disappointed if Garrett doesn't pull the trigger on Cassell. I'd rather lose to the Giants and see an improvement at QB than see the same old thing from Weeden. We have two weeks to get him ready and all the tape the Giants watch on Weeden will be moot. At least we go into the game with the element of surprise.

I'm hoping Showers is coming along. I'd prefer to see him as the backup to Cassell. At lease he's mobile and can extend the play with his legs if our receivers aren't getting open.

One thing's for sure "We Done" with Weedon.