Weeden vs Cassel

[CF74]

One guy has a couple skins on the wall, the other guy is a skin on somebody's wall...

 

[31smackdown]

No, he didn't win multiple games without AP. He was 0-1 with 4 INTs without Peterson. The win he had last year came against STL with AP.

Weeden's best performance, the drive against the Saints, came in the 2 minute offense. Romo plays with 0 urgency and lets the playclock get down to 1 consistently. We don't run any play fakes, so idk how he could be bad at them.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000299018/GameDay-Eagles-vs-Vikings-highlights

No AP in the games above against the Eagles , they won 48-30 - 26-35 382 2td 1int
He also beat Detroit the last game of that year without AP.
Also, it would not be bad to look at games with AP, since the defense probably had 8-9 in the box like they play against Weeden.

I guess we'll see, but when you watch both of them, Cassel looks like a regular QB running an offense, throwing to various receivers, etc... Weeden looks like he is almost robotic.

 

[Kevinicus]

That was UGLY. Couple of good passes here and there, but a lot of misses on short passes Weeden makes look easy. Hopefully it was just a bad game though.

Even with the picks, it was light years ahead of Weeden IMO.

 

[8FOR!3]

Even with the picks, it was light years ahead of Weeden IMO.

I will say that he's at least moving around frantically (the pocket breaks down QUICK in his tape, their OL must've been horrible) and trying to make plays. It's a lot more bearable watching us lose by 20 or 30 with a QB who looks like he's playing his heart out than Weeden who's content with the check down when we desperately need a first down. Not questioning Weeden's heart or effort, I'm sure he's always mentally in tune, but it doesn't show on the field unfortunately.

 

[KB1122]

Do we want the one who gives us the best chance to win or the best chance to lose?

 

[reddyuta]

he can make throw when his primary receiver is covered,he is an actual NFL QB and not a mental midget like Weeden.If Dez gets back then i feel great about the giants game with our D going on all cylinders.

 

[mattjames2010]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000299018/GameDay-Eagles-vs-Vikings-highlights

No AP in the games above against the Eagles , they won 48-30 - 26-35 382 2td 1int
He also beat Detroit the last game of that year without AP.
Also, it would not be bad to look at games with AP, since the defense probably had 8-9 in the box like they play against Weeden.

I guess we'll see, but when you watch both of them, Cassel looks like a regular QB running an offense, throwing to various receivers, etc... Weeden looks like he is almost robotic.

He also steps up in the pocket, which is foreign to Weeden (How was he drafted in the first? My god)

 

[reddyuta]

Cassel has had two decent years, 08 in NE and 10 in KC.

Both years, he had a ton of talent around him and didn't really have to make many plays. He never recorded a 4,000 yard season, despite that, but he proved to be a good bus driver when there is a lot of talent around him. When there aren't a lot of weapons and a great run game supporting him, he has been awful.

He will be awful in Dallas if playing without Dez.

he doesnt have to be great,the NFC East is awful this year.He needs to give us 20 points and hopefully doesnt commit any turnovers.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Cassel may be past his prime but Weeden never had a prime.

 

[RunDMC]

That was UGLY. Couple of good passes here and there, but a lot of misses on short passes Weeden makes look easy. Hopefully it was just a bad game though.

What video were you watching? Weeden couldn't make half of those throws. There are certainly some limitations with Cassel, but at least he doesn't play scared and can fit the ball in tight windows and is mobile.

 

[RunDMC]

Cassel has had two decent years, 08 in NE and 10 in KC.

Both years, he had a ton of talent around him and didn't really have to make many plays. He never recorded a 4,000 yard season, despite that, but he proved to be a good bus driver when there is a lot of talent around him. When there aren't a lot of weapons and a great run game supporting him, he has been awful.

He will be awful in Dallas if playing without Dez.

Can't take you seriously when you say he had a lot of talent in Kansas City, Give me a break. His best weapon was Dwayne Bowe.

 

[8FOR!3]

What video were you watching? Weeden couldn't make half of those throws. There are certainly some limitations with Cassel, but at least he doesn't play scared and can fit the ball in tight windows and is mobile.

Just what a remember from watching him this season. You may be right, that's just what I took from it. Weeden seemed very accurate throwing underneath routes and check downs (which he SHOULD be, but I thought Cassel missed a few more). I agree though.

 

[dstovall5]

Why can't he be worse? He can easily be worse. Different is not necessarily better. The guy's a career journeyman whose stats have declined steadily from their peak over the last several seasons. You may see some more completions downfield, but if they're offset by more picks, it's not going to matter. Sure, it gives the illusion of progress, but it's really just motion and not progress.

That said, we do have to look seriously at whether or not we think Cassel might be an actual upgrade. Just because I'm saying he's not necessarily an upgrade, it doesn't mean he's not, in fact, an upgrade.

I think when people say worse, they mean we've already lost every game with Weeden at the helm. Individually sure his performance could be worse, he may throw 10 interceptions against the Giants, but the result would still be the same as it's been with Weeden which has been a Lose. At least that's what I mean when I say, "Put Cassel in there because he can't be any worse". Already 0-3, if we're going to make the playoffs this year it will be because of Matt Cassel, and not Brandon Weeden. Of course Romo plays a huge part in that, but if Romo comes back in week 11 and we're sitting at 2-8/3-7 we're done.

 

[DFWJC]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/there-...oorly-on-cowboys--172050491.html?soc_src=mail

Great article, which illustrates just how garbage this FO is.

Will McClay too?

 

[mattjames2010]

Can't take you seriously when you say he had a lot of talent in Kansas City, Give me a break. His best weapon was Dwayne Bowe.

You're doing EXACTLY what you did with Weeden. This is ridiculous.

Bowe was a monster back in 2010, he also had a GREAT running game. Charles went over 1,000 yards rushing and Jones nearly 1,000 himself. He had it made in KC that year.

 

[Idgit]

I think when people say worse, they mean we've already lost every game with Weeden at the helm. Individually sure his performance could be worse, he may throw 10 interceptions against the Giants, but the result would still be the same as it's been with Weeden which has been a Lose. At least that's what I mean when I say, "Put Cassel in there because he can't be any worse". Already 0-3, if we're going to make the playoffs this year it will be because of Matt Cassel, and not Brandon Weeden. Of course Romo plays a huge part in that, but if Romo comes back in week 11 and we're sitting at 2-8/3-7 we're done.

You're right, that's what they probably mean. But in a game where not making that extra pick could be the difference between winning or losing, that one extra pick is worse.

If we're going to take it as a given we'll lose every game that Weeden starts, then, yeah, you can't do worse than lose. But that's not realistically the given we should be starting with.

It'd be the same argument for starting Kellen Moore, by the way. How could it be any worse than a loss? That's not the right way to make that decision.

 

[RunDMC]

You're doing EXACTLY what you did with Weeden. This is ridiculous.

Bowe was a monster back in 2010, he also had a GREAT running game. Charles went over 1,000 yards rushing and Jones nearly 1,000 himself. He had it made in KC that year.

Monster? Lol Dez Bryant is a monster. Calvin Johnson (in his prime.) was a monster. Julio Jones is a monster. Dwayne Bowe is a stone hands receiver who had a couple of decent seasons and then drifted off. One weapon on the recieving Corp doesn't equate to having it made.

 

[mattjames2010]

Monster? Lol Dez Bryant is a monster. Calvin Johnson (in his prime.) was a monster. Julio Jones is a monster. Dwayne Bowe is a stone hands receiver who had a couple of decent seasons and then drifted off. One weapon on the recieving Corp doesn't equate to having it made.

Dwayne Bowe - 2010

81 receptions, 1,159 yards, 15 TDs

Yes, he was a monster. Cassle was on a RUN FIRST TEAM, there was less emphasis on heavy talented WR depth. Having Bowe was perfect in that simplistic run first offense.

 

[RunDMC]

Dwayne Bowe - 2010

81 receptions, 1,159 yards, 15 TDs

Yes, he was a monster on a run first team.

I guess Matt Cassel gets no credit.

Typical.

 

[Craig]

Cassel may be past his prime but Weeden never had a prime.

This guy here is dead.