Week 15 Primer... The New Orleans Saints

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In 1965 the NFL had 14 teams and the AFL had their original 8. That changed in 1966 when both leagues began to realize a need to grow. The NFL added the Falcons. The AFL added the Dolphins. In 1967 the NFL added yet another team to bring their total to 16 teams. That team was the New Orleans Saints.

In 1966 the NFL was split into 2 Divisions. They were the NFL East and the NFL West. The Champions of these 2 divisions faced each other for the NFL Championship as the NFL had since 1933. Prior to 1933 the NFL Champion was awarded to the team with the best record. From 1933 to 1965 the NFL Division winners played each other for the Championship. In 1966 this Champion earned the right to go on to face the AFL Champion in the Super Bowl.

In 1967 the NFL split into four 4 team divisions. They were the NFL Capital, NFL Coastal, NFL Century, and NFL Central Divisions. I have no idea why the letter C was chosen for all four Divisions. I have searched for an answer and never found one.

The Dallas Cowboys were placed in the NFL Capital Division along with the Eagles, Commanders, and the expansion Saints. We swept the Saints who were 3-11. Dallas won the NFL Capital Division crown.

In 1968 the NFL moved the Saints out of the NFL Capital division and moved the Giants into the NFL Capital. The Saints went to the NFL Century Division. The AFL expanded to 10 teams by adding the Bengals. Dallas again won the NFL Capital Division crown.

In 1969 the Saints and Giants again swapped Divisions and the Saints were once again a division rival. Dallas again swept the Saints. Dallas again won the NFL Capital Division crown and will forever be the only Champion form that Division.

The next year the 26 teams of the AFL and NFL became one league, the National Football League, and the NFC East was Officially born. Why am I taking you all the way to the AFL-NFL merger? Because a not well known fact is that that merger needed Congressional approval to happen and one caveat demanded by Congressman Hale Boggs to Commissioner Pete Rozelle was that New Orleans be granted a team.

On November 1, 1966 the NFL awarded it's 16th and final original franchise prior to the merger to the New Orleans Saints. The announcement happened on the catholic "All Saints Day" and with New Orleans being noted for jazz music the mascot Saints was quickly chosen and "When the Saints Come Marching In" by Al Hirt became their fight song.

Incidentally, Al Hirt was part of the halftime performances for both of our Super Bowl wins in the 1970's. Both were played in New Orleans. VI was at Tulane Stadium and XII at the Super Dome, the first ever indoor Super Bowl.

A Houston, Texas oil man named John Mecom was the Saints first majority owner. Their colors, black and gold, a tribute to his ties to oil, often called "black gold."

In 1985 Tom Benson purchased the Saints from John Mecom. From their inception in 1967 and up until 1979 the Saints were losers every single season. In 1979 they finished 8-8 for their first ever non losing season. Imagine that Cowboys fans, 12 straight years of sub .500 football before one season of .500 football could even be achieved.

In 1980 the Saints went right back to their losing ways and finished the season 1-15. That year a New Orleans DJ started calling them the Aints and fans began the tradition of being anonymous by putting bags over their heads. In 1983 the Saints again finished 8-8 for their second non losing season.

They didn't have a winning season until 1987 when they finished 12-3. If you are wondering why 15 games, that was the year of the replacement games during the players strike.

The Saints are one of 5 teams who have never played in a Super Bowl. The others are the Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, Cleveland Browns, and Detroit Lions. The Saints all time won loss record is 275-375-5. They are 2-6 all time in the Post Season. For Saints fans, winning is sweet.

The Cowboys and Saints have played each other 22 times. The Cowboys hold the all time edge 14-8. Tom Landry dominated the Saints. He was 11-2 against them. No other Cowboys coach has. Jimmy and Barry are the only other coaches to even defeat them. Jimmy twice, and Barry the only time his team faced them. Gailey and Parcells were both 0-2, Campo was 0-1. This is Wade's first time to coach against them as Cowboys Head Coach.

The Saints hold the longest current winning streak against the Cowboys of any team. They have won 5 straight.

A win this week could salvage our season. A loss might sink it.
 

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Wade will be 0-1 unfortunately.

Good post though Hos. As always its a nice bit of history to read. I enjoy that.
 

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I may have to really drink to watch what I fear is coming that night. After this season there may be one less football team that never made the Super Bowl.
 

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If the chargers were able to move tha ball thru the air, tha saints will have no problem with our defense... We are going to have to score 70 points just to stay in the game...
 

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BraveHeartFan;3143799 said:
Wade will be 0-1 unfortunately.

Good post though Hos. As always its a nice bit of history to read. I enjoy that.
Thank you for at least acknowledging some interest in the History, which is why I write these.
 

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Hostile;3143881 said:
Thank you for at least acknowledging some interest in the History, which is why I write these.

Oh absolutely. I look forward to these in order to learn many things about the history of teams, rivalries, and such that i wasn't aware of or have never taken the time to research myself. These posts are always fun to read no matter what else is going on.

Keep up that great work. I'll be reading them every week for sure.
 

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BraveHeartFan;3144033 said:
Oh absolutely. I look forward to these in order to learn many things about the history of teams, rivalries, and such that i wasn't aware of or have never taken the time to research myself. These posts are always fun to read no matter what else is going on.

Keep up that great work. I'll be reading them every week for sure.
I actually thought some of the stuff in here would interest people.
 

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Great primer, as per the usual. I didn't know the Saints swapped in and out like that. I also didn't know that "All Saints Day" is where the name came from.

Pretty cool stuff...hopefully we can find our cojones this week! :saints:
 

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Interesting stuff. I had never even heard of the Capitol division. Being Catholic I knew the all saints day story.

I despise fans of the saints though. I went to the last game between the two. The fans there were rude and obnoxious, and the "who dat" was beyond annoying.
 

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Who has time to read this sort of stuff when there are so many interesting threads popping up??? Not sure if you heard the breaking news, but apparently we're throwing in the towel and resting out starters for next year.





Nicely done, Hos. Interesting stuff as usual.
 

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twentytwo;3145138 said:
Who has time to read this sort of stuff when there are so many interesting threads popping up??? Not sure if you heard the breaking news, but apparently we're throwing in the towel and resting out starters for next year.





Nicely done, Hos. Interesting stuff as usual.

The primer gets overlooked every week
 

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Hostile;3143794 said:
In 1967 the NFL split into four 4 team divisions. They were the NFL Capital, NFL Coastal, NFL Century, and NFL Central Divisions. I have no idea why the letter C was chosen for all four Divisions. I have searched for an answer and never found one.

The Dallas Cowboys were placed in the NFL Capital Division along with the Eagles, Commanders, and the expansion Saints. We swept the Saints who were 3-11. Dallas won the NFL Capital Division crown.

In 1968 the NFL moved the Saints out of the NFL Capital division and moved the Giants into the NFL Capital. The Saints went to the NFL Century Division. The AFL expanded to 10 teams by adding the Bengals. Dallas again won the NFL Capital Division crown.

In 1969 the Saints and Giants again swapped Divisions and the Saints were once again a division rival. Dallas again swept the Saints. Dallas again won the NFL Capital Division crown and will forever be the only Champion form that Division.

Thanks for the primer Hos. I'm curious who were the teams in the century division? I love these weekly team histories!
 

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Winning this week would be RIDICULOUSLY huge, especially if we could close out strong. Can you imagine finishing the season 11-5? I know it sounds ridiculous, but man, how sweet would that be.
 

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goliadmike;3145371 said:
Thanks, those are interesting pairings.

Cleveland, New York, Pittsburgh, and St. Louis in 1967 and 1969. Cleveland, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, and St. Louis in 1968.
 

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goliadmike;3145287 said:
Thanks for the primer Hos. I'm curious who were the teams in the century division? I love these weekly team histories!
In 1967 and 1969 it was the Browns, Giants, Cardinals, and Steelers. In 1968 it was the Saints instead of the Giants. So last year's Super Bowl teams were actually division rivals at one time for a three year period.

BTW, the Cowboys won the all 3 years of the Capital Division. The Browns won all three years of the Century Division. The Rams won the NFL Coastal in 1967 & 1969, the Colts in 1968. The Packers won the NFL Central in 1967, the Vikings won it in 1968 and 1969.

Edit...I should have read the rest of the thread. Hope knowing the Division winners was informative.
 

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dallascowboyfanboy;3145583 said:
I miss those days of seeing Saints' fans wearing paper bags over their heads. Too bad those days are long gone.
I don't begrudge the Saints some success the same way I would if it were some other teams. Maybe it's because they have never won a thing.
 

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Hostile;3145605 said:
I don't begrudge the Saints some success the same way I would if it were some other teams. Maybe it's because they have never won a thing.

I have a lot friends around the New Orleans area that are long time Saints fans. I am really happy for them because they have suffered a long time. Some of the still don't trust the Saints and are waiting for them to fall apart. The younger Saint fans; most of them need a good solid *** whipping!!! They are the most obnoxious *******s you could imagine.
 
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