Week 5 Primer...The Kansas City Chiefs

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They began as the Dallas Texans in the AFL, owned by a Dallas Texan, Lamar Hunt. Lamar Hunt spent two years trying to get an NFL team for Dallas. He was never directly competing with Clint Murchison for an expansion NFL franchise in Dallas. He was trying to move an existing franchise to Dallas. His focus was the Chicago Cardinals. When the Bidwell family ended up stalling, Lamar Hunt wasted no time creating the AFL and getting together 7 other owners as well.

Both the Cowboys and the Texans played in The Cotton Bowl.

Lamar Hunt's maverick move to create a new football league prompted Clint Murchison to put amazing pressure on the NFL to get an NFL team in Dallas. He did not want to give the Texans a 1 year head start. So, he took the bull by the horns and directly went after the biggest opponent of a team in Dallas, Commanders owner George Preston Marshall.

Murchison hit Marshall from every direction. He bought the rights to "Hail to the Commanders" and wouldn't give the rights back to Marshall without his yes vote on expansion. Originally the NFL wanted to add 2 teams at the same time, both in 1961. The Vikings joined in 1961, Murchison agreed to start his team without the benefit of the NFL Draft which in those days took place in November or December. The Cowboys remain the only NFL expansion team to not get to Draft any players their first year.

Murchison also "allegedly" paid off Senator Estes Kefauver by having the anti-Monopoly Commission headed by the Senator look into whether Marshall's Commanders TV network across the southern United States constituted a monopoly. Marshall was the last hurdle.

Lamar Hunt could have been a hurdle himself. Instead, he was a genius who blazed a new trail that led to the modern NFL being the juggernaut that it is.

I have nothing but respect for Lamar Hunt. He passed away in 2006. The NFL lost a truly legendary figure. His son Clark has taken over leadership of the Chiefs on behalf of the Hunt family.

Hunt went head to head with the Cowboys and the NFL for three seasons. In 1960 the Cowboys were 0-11-1. The Texans were 8-6. In 1961 the Cowboys were 4-9-1. The Texans were 6-8. In 1962 the Cowboys were 5-8-1. The Texans were 11-3 and won the AFL Championship in overtime. The Texans led the AFL in attendance at 24,500 fans per game. That paled in comparison to the Cowboys in the more established NFL.

In 1963 the Dallas Texans moved to Kansas City and became the Chiefs. His first 2 choices were Miami and Atlanta. Kansas City guaranteed they would triple season ticket sales and the Chiefs ended up in Missouri where Hunt had to share the state loyalty with the Bidwells who had so discouraged him years before. In 1960 the Bidwells had moved the Cardinals from Chicago to St. Louis. I have often wondered if that added to Hunt's decision to choose KC.

Here's a little known fact. Lamar Hunt's first choice for Head Coach of the Texans was Oklahoma's Bud Wilkinson. His 2nd choice was Tom Landry. Both turned him down. So he hired University of Miami Assistant Coach Hank Stram.

Lamar Hunt is credited with coining the name "Super Bowl." He got the idea when he saw his children playing with a super rubber ball. The Chiefs played in the very first Roman numeral game, Super Bowl I. They lost to the Vince Lombardi Packers, 35-10. The Chiefs returned to the Super Bowl three years later for Super Bowl IV where they defeated the Minnesota Vikings 23-7. Those are their only 2 Super Bowl appearances.

As the NFL accepted the fact they would need to merge with the AFL Lamar Hunt and Tex Schramm were assigned to make that merger happen.

Despite being rivals for a city's fans the Cowboys and the Chiefs, both at 40 years in the NFL (AFL and NFL did not play each other until 1970 after the merger) have only played each other 8 times. The Cowboys lead the all time series 5-3. They are 1-2 in Kansas City.
 

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Good post. However I need a little more time to wallow in the eneptitude of last weeks game. I'll check back in this thread on friday.
 

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CowboyWay;2995225 said:
Good post. However I need a little more time to wallow in the eneptitude of last weeks game. I'll check back in this thread on friday.
Well, hopefully others appreciate the effort. Enjoy your wallowing I guess.
 

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i will do no wallowing and instead look ahead to this weeks game with
great anticipation.

i will say, never go to KC thinking its an easy win, no matter their record.

nice read, didnt realize we had only one win there.

i always liked the chiefs when it was the old AFL with len dawson and ed podolak. hank stram was one snappy dresser for a football coach.
 

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If this team loses to KC, I'll snap. I live in Chief territory and will literally be put on death row after blowing a gasket on some Chief fan.
 

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Hoofbite;2995274 said:
If this team loses to KC, I'll snap. I live in Chief territory and will literally be put on death row after blowing a gasket on some Chief fan.

I hate to say this, but leaving town saturday and returning monday might be a good thing.

I think this has all the setup in the world for us to get sucker punched by Todd Haley. And I believe in Karma and Jerry Publically wronged and undermined Haley in 06.

and I just have this terrible feeling.
 

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theebs;2995279 said:
I hate to say this, but leaving town saturday and returning monday might be a good thing.

I think this has all the setup in the world for us to get sucker punched by Todd Haley. And I believe in Karma and Jerry Publically wronged and undermined Haley in 06.

and I just have this terrible feeling.

What happened with Haley here?
 

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theebs;2995279 said:
I hate to say this, but leaving town saturday and returning monday might be a good thing.

I think this has all the setup in the world for us to get sucker punched by Todd Haley. And I believe in Karma and Jerry Publically wronged and undermined Haley in 06.

and I just have this terrible feeling.
seriously? I'm as down on this team as anybody can be right now but even I don't think we will lose to KC. It is possible though.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2995285 said:
What happened with Haley here?

Gosh, Todd Haley! If anyone has an axe to grind against the Cowboys, it's Todd Haley.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2995285 said:
What happened with Haley here?

Haley was riding Owens early in 06. It got out that owens was sleeping in meetings and the fact that he sat on the sideline the whole camp didnt go over well with that staff....but Jerry ok'd all of it.

then finally owens came out to practice about 20 minutes late and Haley had enough of the guy and let him have it.

Owens ran to jerry and told him we was sick and was in the john and Jerry went and defended owens on his radio show and then when it was still getting out that owens was sleeping in meetings etc...jerry vowed to fire the coach who was the rat all in the name of trying to appease a rat himself.

Haley must hate Jerry Jones. I would. And I imagine many of those guys just giggled at Jerry's take on the x's and o's.

this is haley's chance to really stick it to him. They are 0-4, at home, they will have maybe their last big emotional home game of the year, the throwbacks will add a little....

I just think we are going to lose this game in some crazy way. I Have a bad feeling haley is going to find a way to attack watkins and hamlin repeatedly.

and this little nugget.

Look at their staff, all people who have been through here and know us well or who have done a good job coaching against us.

Todd Haley
Maurice Carthon
Clancey Pendergast
Gary Gibbs
steve hoffman

and even....dedric ward coaching the wr.

I think the whole thing bottoms out sunday at kc.
 

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Easy way to beat the Chiefs...

Blitz EVERY SINGLE DOWN! And I'm not talking 5 or 6, bring 7+ every snap. They can't pick it up at all.

Every time this year that I've seen a team send a huge blitz against KC AT LEAST 2 guys come free and often 3 or 4 come through. They just don't have any idea what to do when the other team brings a lot of pressure. They don't know who to pick up and end up letting most everyone through.

I'm not kidding when I say that I think a team could get 15 sacks in one game against KC if they flat out blitz them every down. This is a game to rack up sacks for the team, and get Ware rolling.
 

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theebs;2995306 said:
Haley was riding Owens early in 06. It got out that owens was sleeping in meetings and the fact that he sat on the sideline the whole camp didnt go over well with that staff....but Jerry ok'd all of it.

then finally owens came out to practice about 20 minutes late and Haley had enough of the guy and let him have it.

Owens ran to jerry and told him we was sick and was in the john and Jerry went and defended owens on his radio show and then when it was still getting out that owens was sleeping in meetings etc...jerry vowed to fire the coach who was the rat all in the name of trying to appease a rat himself.

Haley must hate Jerry Jones. I would. And I imagine many of those guys just giggled at Jerry's take on the x's and o's.

this is haley's chance to really stick it to him. They are 0-4, at home, they will have maybe their last big emotional home game of the year, the throwbacks will add a little....

I just think we are going to lose this game in some crazy way. I Have a bad feeling haley is going to find a way to attack watkins and hamlin repeatedly.

and this little nugget.

Look at their staff, all people who have been through here and know us well or who have done a good job coaching against us.

Todd Haley
Maurice Carthon
Clancey Pendergast
Gary Gibbs
steve hoffman

and even....dedric ward coaching the wr.

I think the whole thing bottoms out sunday at kc.

Oh.My.God.

Can you say fake punts, fieldgoals and triple reverse passes against us!?

Gawd, I hate Jerry Jones more and more every minute.

Thanks for sharing though.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2995324 said:
Oh.My.God.

Can you say fake punts, fieldgoals and triple reverse passes against us!?

Gawd, I hate Jerry Jones more and more every minute.

Thanks for sharing though.

dont forget onside kicks at the weirdest times...like i said never, ever, never go to KC thinking its gonna be easy. especially if they are 0-whatever.
 

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Todd Haley >> any cowboys coach + jerry combined.

Another loss would hurt but vindication over jerry would be priceless (and just maybe get a coach or two fired).
 

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chinch;2995339 said:
Todd Haley >> any cowboys coach + jerry combined.

Another loss would hurt but vindication over jerry would be priceless (and just maybe get a coach or two fired).

are you saying you are in favor of the Boys losing ?
 

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poke;2995330 said:
dont forget onside kicks at the weirdest times...like i said never, ever, never go to KC thinking its gonna be easy. especially if they are 0-whatever.

Arrowhead stadium can be an intimidating place to play. It can get LOUD, Im sure the collective balls of our offense are allready shriveling in anticipation.
 

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SLATEmosphere;2995324 said:
Oh.My.God.

Can you say fake punts, fieldgoals and triple reverse passes against us!?

Gawd, I hate Jerry Jones more and more every minute.

Thanks for sharing though.

Oh no!!!!!! Maybe a swarm of locust will swarm the field too. Help us all! :rolleyes:
 

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Cochese;2995349 said:
Arrowhead stadium can be an intimidating place to play. It can get LOUD, Im sure the collective balls of our offense are allready shriveling in anticipation.

UGH!!! NO!!!

It used to get loud, back when they were decent. Now it only gets mildly loud. With the Cowboys in town they'll be even less Chiefs fans in the stands than normal (which isn't a lot lately). THIS IS NOT 1995!!
 

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Fletch;2995350 said:
Oh no!!!!!! Maybe a swarm of locust will swarm the field too. Help us all! :rolleyes:


well when you look at it, the signs are there.

In 06 when we lost to the saints sean payton got all the credit for knowing how to beat us....but if you listened close and paid attention the real credit might have gone to Gary Gibbs.
 

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don't forget Jerry publicly chastising Haley for how he (correctly mind you) handled TO.

ROTF.

poke;2995345 said:
are you saying you are in favor of the Boys losing ?
won't change my sunday, monday or tuesday actually ;)

nor the 'boys doomed season of CONTINUITY (jerrys mantra for 2009)

a KC loss would just make this board insufferable during an off-week.

a win vs KC is moot though. a loss does leave a glimmer of hope maybe, just maybe jerry would go & get a new interim HC & OC during the bye week.

to at least restore hope for cowboy fans.
 
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