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Im turning 17 in acouple days and have a few questions with lifting etc.

Im 6'2 and only 163 pounds. It hasnt really held me back, i dont have trouble tackling kids or getting around lineman, i happen to be a pretty good athlete but being stronger could only help. Ive weight lifted before but became frusterated quickly, i felt strong but couldnt gain weight. I have now picked up some whey protein and was going to see if that helped. I was also interested in taking creatine maybe.. What are the pros or cons of creatine is it bad for you? What are some foods to eat? I know potatoes, fish, steak etc but what else? any help would be appreciated. thanks.
 

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locked&loaded;1709952 said:
Im turning 17 in acouple days and have a few questions with lifting etc.

Im 6'2 and only 163 pounds. It hasnt really held me back, i dont have trouble tackling kids or getting around lineman, i happen to be a pretty good athlete but being stronger could only help. Ive weight lifted before but became frusterated quickly, i felt strong but couldnt gain weight. I have now picked up some whey protein and was going to see if that helped. I was also interested in taking creatine maybe.. What are the pros or cons of creatine is it bad for you? What are some foods to eat? I know potatoes, fish, steak etc but what else? any help would be appreciated. thanks.

Check the forums at www.bodybuilding.com, you'll run into alot of very well educated people there. You absolutely have to make sure your getting in enough protein to gain any muscle mass. You also sound like a small guy so make sure you eat and eat and eat.... As for Creating, despite popular theories it's aboslutely in no way shape or form related to steroids. Your body produces Creatine naturally. What creatine does is give you that extra push on your reps. Your first week or two is the loading phase where you get it into your system. Then you go to a maintanance phase. Like I said basically Creatine just helps you get those last one or two reps...thus aiding muscle growth more. It does however draw water into your muscles but that's nothing to be concerned about. The only thing I'd warn you about it is that your body stops creating creatine nautrally it's self while you or taking the suplement. Studies have found that it does go back to producing once your off though. There may be some that might steer you away from using it untill your 18 but it's not like the stuffs going to stunt your growth.

As for lifts, I would recommend the big 3 and then build around that. Your big 3 lifts are Deadlifts, Squats and bench. Since you are playing football you may want to add in some explosive lifts, i.e..boxsquat, powerclean.

I must also add there are a couple good bodybuilding plans out there, you'll problly find the one most talked about is Riptoes 5*5
 

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At your age and height, you just need to eat and drink the protein shakes. As for the shakes just try to get as many calories as you can as your metabolism is probably pretty quick. I never worried about which brands were better, i jsut tryed to find one that I could tolerate the taste. Sucking them things down three times a day is hard enough. Some cheaper brands were just nasty.

I wouldn't worry too much about the creatine at this point until you reach a sticking point in your bench, squats etc. If your trying for mass, more weight and less reps. But as Blake stated, Creatine isn't even close to steroids, just keep it in moderations and cycles.
 

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morieeel;1711880 said:
At your age and height, you just need to eat and drink the protein shakes. As for the shakes just try to get as many calories as you can as your metabolism is probably pretty quick. I never worried about which brands were better, i jsut tryed to find one that I could tolerate the taste. Sucking them things down three times a day is hard enough. Some cheaper brands were just nasty.

I wouldn't worry too much about the creatine at this point until you reach a sticking point in your bench, squats etc. If your trying for mass, more weight and less reps. But as Blake stated, Creatine isn't even close to steroids, just keep it in moderations and cycles.

So i should drink protein shakes even if i dont lift that day? I thought they were just to help your recover so your not sore etc? But i shoudl just drink them all the time, wont i get fatter? I want to be strong but lean.
 

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I just started working out again. So difficult for a vegetarian to get enough protein.
 

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Shakes, hit the weights and not all people naturally gain weight.

I have dabbled with Creatine over the years and don't recommend it at your age. It's relatively healthy if taken in normal doses with LOTS OF WATER drinking. If not it can stress your internal organs. It gives you a ton of energy that allows you to work out 2X a day and builds quick muscle mass but starves body of water if not replenished.

I too as a high schooler struggled to keep weight on. My 8th grader eats and works out like mad yet has mad muscle mass and weight for his age.

It's almost a genetic issue - JMO. Some have it some don't

Also - I recommend fast twich running and not running miles - that will keep your weight down and not an asset to football moves.

My 2 cents
 

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morieeel;1711880 said:
At your age and height, you just need to eat and drink the protein shakes. As for the shakes just try to get as many calories as you can as your metabolism is probably pretty quick. I never worried about which brands were better, i jsut tryed to find one that I could tolerate the taste. Sucking them things down three times a day is hard enough. Some cheaper brands were just nasty.

I wouldn't worry too much about the creatine at this point until you reach a sticking point in your bench, squats etc. If your trying for mass, more weight and less reps. But as Blake stated, Creatine isn't even close to steroids, just keep it in moderations and cycles.

And drink lots of water
 

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Nors;1712872 said:
Shakes, hit the weights and not all people naturally gain weight.

I have dabbled with Creatine over the years and don't recommend it at your age. It's relatively healthy if taken in normal doses with LOTS OF WATER drinking. If not it can stress your internal organs. It gives you a ton of energy that allows you to work out 2X a day and builds quick muscle mass but starves body of water if not replenished.

I too as a high schooler struggled to keep weight on. My 8th grader eats and works out like mad yet has mad muscle mass and weight for his age.

It's almost a genetic issue - JMO. Some have it some don't

Also - I recommend fast twich running and not running miles - that will keep your weight down and not an asset to football moves.

My 2 cents

when i was in 6th through 7th grade i was chubby but than i lost it over sumemr got way faster, and now i cant gain weight. i eat like a cow, idk im gonna drink the shakes alot. see what happens.
 

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I'm a physician so I have my take on issues. The medical community think most supplements are ineffective and the reason for that is there are no randomized double blind independent research studies conducted over a decent sample size over several years. I have yet to see one of these studies published in the Journal of the American Medical Association or New England Journal of Medicine which are arguably the two most prestigious and difficult journals to get published in. The FDA has no jurisdiction on the herbal/supplement industry so anyone can make false claims. If I was greedy, I could market some product, say I was a physician and sell it in health food stores and people would probably buy it. There is a lot of junk out there and it's sad the FDA doesn't regulate it.

Also be skeptical of certain research studies. Most of the time, the company that puts out the product sponsors their own research so do you really think they are going to find something negative with their own product and if they do, do you think they will publish it?

If anything, supplements could hurt you because you don't know what is in it and there are many products that are carcinogenic or may be carcinogenic. You could also have anaphylaxis to certain products that you may be allergic to. For example, in the early 90's, they used to sell ephedera as a weight loss supplement or a "cutting" formula. Ephedera's base structure is similar to many amphetamines and later was known to cause congestive heart failure and tachycardia. That's but one example!

The truth is your genetics plays a bigger role in strength and power than you might think. For example, you can't increase the number of muscle fibers that you have; you are born with a set number, but you can enlarge the ones you have. That's why some of your friends are just naturally strong although the never work out. Honestly, the only real way to guarantee results is to use steroids or human growth hormone which I don't recommend for a variety of reasons. Creatine has been found to negatively impact the kidneys and thus I don't recommend you take it.

Plus, ask yourself why you want to gain weight. I played football in high school and I was like you. I was thin but strong. I wanted to gain weight for looks. There are advantages to being strong and lean. Adding extra weight could slow your 40 time and hurt your agility. Yes, with added muscle, you willl increase power but you will also increase your weight. In addition, drinking weight gainer and powders like that will not add pure lean muscle. Those powders are loaded with carbohydrates and sugar which will just add fat.

Also, a lot of the information published in Muscle and Fitness etc. is junk science written by trainers and sometimes PhD's who perform biased experiments on a small population who is trying to get published. Any publication can find a "study" to support it's claim, the difference is that most "study" are not randomized double blind studies performed on a large sample size over several years. Double blind means both the experimenter and the subject are unknown to each other (the doc doesn't know which group is the control or the experimental group and the subjects don't know which is the sugar pill and which is the drug) Randomized means the subjects were chosen at random and not selected by the researcher to accomplish a known result or a potentially known result (bias).

Finally, many physicians are greedy and are paid to testify to a certain supplement because they are paid thousands of dollars to do. We get phone calls like that all the time and most doctors refuse to ruin their reputation or put their patients at risk by endorsing a supplement. We all laugh when we see some doctor announce how he or she recommends a supplement.
 

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Great post James Woods.

I find that whenever I read a nutrition sight or non-weightlifting article on macronutrition, protein recommendations are usually 20% of your diet or .5-.75 g / lb of body weight.

However, whenever I read body building or weight lifting/fitness articles, it is always 1-2 g /lb of body weight.

It's funny because you see so many different opinions on the same thing. When I became a veg, I took a very vested interest in my nutrition, but can't seem to find any point on which different sides agree on.
 

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Would be nice if the government did real studies of things like this instead of spending $100,000 to study the sex lives of crickets.
 

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burmafrd;1713237 said:
Would be nice if the government did real studies of things like this instead of spending $100,000 to study the sex lives of crickets.


I seldom trust government studies, either.
 

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Like the expert said,

Genetics play a big part here. Some are naturally large and stronger and can retain bulk.

I'm of the work out hard and smart and don't mess with steroids and HGH. Ephedera has been outlawed.

Not sure creatine used appropriately is a big issue for an adult....
 

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Nors;1715157 said:
Like the expert said,

Genetics play a big part here. Some are naturally large and stronger and can retain bulk.

I'm of the work out hard and smart and don't mess with steroids and HGH. Ephedera has been outlawed.

Not sure creatine used appropriately is a big issue for an adult....

Anyone given effort and time can be big and strong though, Obviously genetics play a huge roll on how fast and how big one can become naturally though.
 

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lifting weights breaks muscle down. You get stronger by allowing time for the body to rebuild the broken down muscle. So, always leave at least 48 hours between working a muscle group. For example: Benching every day is bad... benching every other day is good. Your body needs the time between to repair muscle tissue.

Protien is the primary building block of muscles. And, from what I read, you have about a 2 hour window after your workout to get protien in your system so your body has the tools it needs to repair itself. So, post workout is a great time for protien shakes. This is also a great time to get some fruit in your diet... in a blender: one scoop of protien powder (not chocolate), two handfulls of whatever cut up fruit you like, 4 cubes of ice, a cup of fruit or vanilla flavored yogurt, and about 5-6 oz of either milk or fruit juice. Blend for 30 seconds on high... great post workout meal.

Be advised. I don't claim to be a dr or phd in anything... Just relating what works for me.
 
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