Weis and Crennel rode Bellichek's coattails

[mr.jameswoods]

I've always known that Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel were overrated and rode Bill Bellichek to success. Now we can finally see that Bill Bellichek is the genius in New England and not his former overrated assistants.

 

[burmafrd]

So how do you explain the last two years?

 

[joseephuss]

So how do you explain the last two years?

You mean the Pats being in the AFC championship game last year and were close to winning it and going to the SB. Or how about in 2005, when the Pats were once again in the playoffs even though Tom Brady was playing with a sports hernia for much of the season.

I won't say that Weis and Crennel did not play big roles when they were in New England. I think both have limited talent on their current teams. The Pats still play at a high level without them. Maybe the two of them could have pushed New England over the top the last two years. Maybe not.

 

[burmafrd]

I think that there was definitly a let down for the Pats when they left. Brady has so much more talent at WR now then he has ever had so how much of that is coaching? Was not really impressed by their D- true, they were missing Seymore and Harrison but Crennel found ways to win with scrubs.

 

[Nors]

I think BB is an extremely rare coach. He has 6 Super Bowl rings for a reason. He is not only a great Defensive Coordinator but a great coach.

Parcells really missed BB the DC early with Pats and his years here. With BB back as his DC they went to the 1996/7 SuperBowl.

Lets take this head on:

Crennel - is a very much older coach. He lacks the people skills and I worried about his energy level and ability to take on HC role. He is floundering.

I hold out more hope Weiss can right the ND ship eventually. In some ways he might be the anti- Pete Carroll. Better suited to coach in the NFL.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I think that there was definitly a let down for the Pats when they left. Brady has so much more talent at WR now then he has ever had so how much of that is coaching? Was not really impressed by their D- true, they were missing Seymore and Harrison but Crennel found ways to win with scrubs.

The Pats were still contenders the last 2 years; you can't be in the Superbowl every year but if you go deep in the playoffs in a far tougher conference, it shows consitency especially when teams like the Patriots are losing players every year. This is the first year, the Pats have added talent after losing star players for the last 3 years. BB was really the defensive coordinator so let's not pretend that Romeo had a major impact on the defense. That's like crediting Gary Kubiak for Denver's offense because he was technically the offensive coordinator although everyone knows Mike Shanahan ran that offense. What's next, are you going to credit Maurice Carthon as our offensive cooridnator during Parcell's first year when everyone knew the QB coach Sean Payton was the real OC. Forget their offense, the Brown's defense was 26th under Crennel last year

There was definitely a let down in talent the last 2 years for the Patriots as well. That had nothing to do with Weis and Crennel's departure. It's doubtful the Patriots would have improved much with both assistants still present due to the loss of talent. And Crennel has been given enough time but he has underachieved. If the Browns lack talent, then you can blame Crennel since he is the head coach and has plenty of say in who they draft and acquire in free agency. Weis hasn't looked like a genius in Notre Dame. And if you are going to excuse Weis for ND's lack of talent, again I ask who is recruiting players to ND. If Weis can win with Tryone Willingham's players, then he certainly should win with his own recruits so he has no excuse. Weis just took too much credit for Tom Brady and now his so-called offensive genius is showing especially how he rotated 3 QB's in their first game.

 

[burmafrd]

If you bothered to do some research instead of just spouting, you would know that right now ND has very little talent at the Jr and Sr level- directly due to Willingham. And considering how many props crennel and weis were getting prior to their departure you also missed the boat.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

If you bothered to do some research instead of just spouting, you would know that right now ND has very little talent at the Jr and Sr level- directly due to Willingham. And considering how many props crennel and weis were getting prior to their departure you also missed the boat.

Weis' current sophmores were considered a top 5 recruiting class according to ESPN and Scouts inc. The majority of the current ND roster consists of sophmores (37) and many of their starters consist of freshmen and sophmores including starting QB Jimmy Clausen and starting RB Armando Allen. The current freshman class is considered to be a top 10 class by most. Rivals ranked the 2006 and 2007 classes 8th in recruiting. The last I recall, freshmen and sophmores do play. The current juniors and seniors were coached by Weis the last 2 years. Weis is given credit for coaching Willingham recruits like Brady Quinn, but when he can't do the same with the remaining Willingham recruits, we are supposed to point the finger at Willingham for poor recruiting instead of Weis for failing to develop those players? If Weis could coach Willingham's previous players like Brady Quinn, why can't Weis do the same with the current crop? Either way, the lack of a single offensive TD and negative 8 yards total rushing in its first two games is unacceptable. And Weis is the OC of that team. Bill Bellicheck beat the NFL leading 14-2 Chargers in San Diego eventually losing to the Superbowl winning Colts in the AFC championship game last season. How is that for research? Did I miss the boat on those facts?

 

[burmafrd]

How about no redshirting at ND except for injury. So these freshmen and sopomores are REAL freshmen and sophomores- not the second and third year players at most big time schools. Playing against so far 2 VERY good teams. And using the SD game is pretty dumb- only a stupid mistake by a SD D back gave that game to the Pats. And you notice that the colts pretty much out coached the pats in the AFC champ game.