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[billyrags]

I need help to understand something.

I don't know why so many fans on this board do not want an insecure, immature, immensely talented specimen like TO on our team. Nobody likes a showoff. That plus the star incident does make for an uncomfortable fit, but where does it end?

Chances are we have a few cheaters (cough, Steroids) on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have a few illegal drug users on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have a wife beater on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have players who have children who they could care less about and never see.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have some players going through the motions to collect a check.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have some players that would rather play Madden or go clubbing than prepare for a game.
Is that OK?

Give me a loud mouth like Key who lives and dies with winning. Give me a nut like TO who practices hard and prepares himself for football. I don't care if they only do it for the glory as long as we win. If given the choice I would prefer an intelligent, tactful, high character player every time, but...

So TO ran out on the star. I was as pissed as anyone. George Teague is one of my favorite players of all time just because of the retaliation. After last year, I realized this guy wasn't trying to show us up he is just an egomaniac trying to draw attention to himself. If he wants to draw attention to himself by scoring touchdowns for the Cowboys, then I say “Welcome to Dallas!”


P.S. - My all time favorite Cowboy is Micheal Irvin. I have argued with friends for hours on end that his passion was one of the key ingredients to our success in the 90's, but I would not leave my children or wife in his care for even a minute.

I don't need a hero. I need touchdowns, QB sacks, pancake blocks, bone crunching tackles, wins and Super Bowl trophies.

 

[JackMagist]

Chances are we have a few cheaters (cough, Steroids) on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have a few illegal drug users on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have a wife beater on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have players who have children who they could care less about and never see.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have some players going through the motions to collect a check.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have some players that would rather play Madden or go clubbing than prepare for a game.
Is that OK?

When we find out about these guys we can hate them in their turn. As long as they are only hypothetical characters I see little relevance to anything that we have been discussing here on the board.

 

[Jay]

The most telling stat I saw on ESPN was the Eagles' record with TO, and then without TO.

 

[Cochese]

Another TO thread, brilliant. Great work, sincerely, I mean it.

 

[Jimz31]

P.S. - My all time favorite Cowboy is Micheal Irvin. I have argued with friends for hours on end that his passion was one of the key ingredients to our success in the 90's, but I would not leave my children or wife in his care for even a minute.

Did Irvin EVER...even ONCE slam his QB? Was Irvin a team player or not?
Did Irvin ever say that he wanted more money so that he could feed his family? Was Irvin even 1/10 the baby that TO has been since he's been in the NFL?
Those are ONLY a couple of reasons why I don't care for TO.

As far as the other reasons that you gave about other players, name some names...ANYBODY can reference things as you did in ANY walk of life.

Just say that you are for TO being here and leave it at that.

As for me: "Just say NO to TO!"!

 

[Jimz31]

The most telling stat I saw on ESPN was the Eagles' record with TO, and then without TO.

Did it reference last years playoff run?

0 games in the playoffs with TO...all wins. 1 game (the Superbowl) with TO....Loss.

 

[Jay]

I will say one thing--I think if we don't have TO or Keyshawn on this team next year, we will finish 3rd at best in our division.

"0 games in the playoffs with TO...all wins. 1 game (the Superbowl) with TO....Loss."

You going attempt to say that TO lost them the Super Bowl? Please, go right ahead. LOL

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Another TO thread, brilliant. Great work, sincerely, I mean it.

This coming from a username like that.

 

[billyrags]

Another TO thread, brilliant. Great work, sincerely, I mean it.

I'm sure it will be the last.

 

[billyrags]

Did Irvin EVER...even ONCE slam his QB? Was Irvin a team player or not?
Did Irvin ever say that he wanted more money so that he could feed his family? Was Irvin even 1/10 the baby that TO has been since he's been in the NFL?
Those are ONLY a couple of reasons why I don't care for TO.

As far as the other reasons that you gave about other players, name some names...ANYBODY can reference things as you did in ANY walk of life.

Just say that you are for TO being here and leave it at that.

As for me: "Just say NO to TO!"!

We can't argue about Irvin because your right and I agree. Though I think I recall some rumblings were he was unhappy toward the end and the Miami Dolphins were mentioned.

Anyway - My point is that some people think TO is going to request jersey 666 and bring an end to all things Cowboys and that there are no other problem players on the team. Your looking through "Commander colored glasses" if you believe that to be true.

As for naming names... I absolutely can't and wouldn't if I could, but I'll get back with you if Jose Canseco writes another tell all.

By the way I am for TO and believe he may be our only chance to salvage this offseason.

 

[Jimz31]

I will say one thing--I think if we don't have TO or Keyshawn on this team next year, we will finish 3rd at best in our division.

"0 games in the playoffs with TO...all wins. 1 game (the Superbowl) with TO....Loss."

You going attempt to say that TO lost them the Super Bowl? Please, go right ahead. LOL

You are the one that brought up stats.

Did they or did they not reach the SB without TO? Are you saying that TO was the reason that they won all of those games? What about the previous years that they made it to the NCF Championship w/o TO?

You mentioned stats...I mentioned stats....nothing more.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I will say one thing--I think if we don't have TO or Keyshawn on this team next year, we will finish 3rd at best in our division.

And it is still 6 months before the season starts.

 

[silverbear]

I don't need a hero. I need touchdowns, QB sacks, pancake blocks, bone crunching tackles, wins and Super Bowl trophies.

The thing is, Terrell Owens' baggage doesn't relate to criminal activity, or anything like that... nope, his problem, the reason those of us who hate him don't want him on the team, is that he DESTROYS TEAMS...

Why would you want to bring somebody in to destroy the Cowboys??

I think that's a legitimate question, that should be asked of everyone who wants to see TO in a Cowboy' uni; if you love the team, why would you want anybody who's almost certain to hurt it in the long run??

 

[JonJon]

I really don't think he destroys teams. The 49ers were just garbage and he was tired of playing on a loser team with a loser coach and a loser QB (in his opinion). He wanted to go to a winning program. After he was traded to Baltimore, he didn't feel like they were serious contenders and not much better than the situation he was leaving, so he went to the Eagles, a team that needed a big playmaker to win the Super Bowl. But that team was already on the decline before he got there. Reid and McNabb were both famous for their choking, so after Owens worked his butt off to play in the SB 5 weeks after his ankle injury, with the game on the line, Reid is badly managing the clock and McNabb is throwing up on the field...I think he had every right to call them out. Maybe he went to far, but the Eagles collapse goes far beyond Owens alone.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Rack]

Chances are we have a few cheaters (cough, Steroids) on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have a few illegal drug users on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have a wife beater on the team.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have players who have children who they could care less about and never see.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have some players going through the motions to collect a check.
Is that OK?

Chances are we have some players that would rather play Madden or go clubbing than prepare for a game.
Is that OK?

I don't recall any of these possible steroid users, drug users, wife beaters, bad fathers, money hungry slackers, or video game freaks calling out their teammates to the press.

I don't recall any of them referring to their former teammate (s) as a "Homo" to the press.

Shall I go on?

Give me a loud mouth like Key who lives and dies with winning.

I agree. I don't mind a player that whines about wanting the ball. If you're an offensive skill player that DOESN'T want the ball, then I don't want you on my team.

But when the loud mouthing turns into calling out teammates in the media (among other things) then you've crossed the line and I don't want you on my team.

 

[SuspectCorner]

Did Irvin EVER...even ONCE slam his QB? Was Irvin a team player or not?
Did Irvin ever say that he wanted more money so that he could feed his family? Was Irvin even 1/10 the baby that TO has been since he's been in the NFL?
Those are ONLY a couple of reasons why I don't care for TO.

As far as the other reasons that you gave about other players, name some names...ANYBODY can reference things as you did in ANY walk of life.

Just say that you are for TO being here and leave it at that.

As for me: "Just say NO to TO!"!

don't you find it "strange" that "team-player" Irvin is one of (antithesis) TO's biggest proponents?

Michael Irvin knows "wide receiving".... if he says TO is "the best" in the current game - it has gravity with me.

Irvin is not reknowned for his decision-making prowess.... for obvious reasons. but the player of whom he speaks has demonstrated a boatload of high-impact ability on the field.

it all comes down to whether or not you're willing to trade TDs for lockerroom serenity... which, by the way, won them a seat in the den to watch the playoffs on TV last year.

i, for one, am soooo sick of seeing the Cowboys lose games by scores like 14-10 or 17-13.... that i'm willing to try just about anything at this point.


including, but not limited to, TO.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Chances are we have a decent amount of TO threads already.
Is that clear?

 

[silverbear]

I really don't think he destroys teams.

Obviously... if you did, you wouldn't want him coming to Dallas... but I think you're ignoring the evidence right there in front of your face...

In San Francisco, he started up with his quarterback, calling Jeff Garcia gay... this divided the locker room...

In Philadelphia, he trashed Donovan McNabb... this divided the locker room...

His professional history is clear, every time he runs into adversity, he finds some teammate to throw under the bus...

 

[Rack]

Obviously... if you did, you wouldn't want him coming to Dallas... but I think you're ignoring the evidence right there in front of your face...

In San Francisco, he started up with his quarterback, calling Jeff Garcia gay... this divided the locker room...

In Philadelphia, he trashed Donovan McNabb... this divided the locker room...

His professional history is clear, every time he runs into adversity, he finds some teammate to throw under the bus...

Actually TO didn't call Garthia "Gay" until he (Owens) was an Eagle.


Which, to me, is pretty gay. Why not say something to his face when you had the chance? Instead you wait till you're on another team to talk trash?

Gay. Gay gay gay.

don't you find it "strange" that "team-player" Irvin is one of (antithesis) TO's biggest proponents?

Irvin was a great team player. Doesn't mean he did it willingly or consciously (sp?). It just came natural to him. Since it just "was" with him, he doesn't realize that others have to actually make an effort to be a team player. He believes TO has been wronged. Irvin is incorrect.

When god comes on national television saying TO is an innocent victim, then I'll change my mind.

Maybe. God could be an idiot. I don't know for sure.

 

[JackMagist]

don't you find it "strange" that "team-player" Irvin is one of (antithesis) TO's biggest proponents?

Michael Irvin knows "wide receiving".... if he says TO is "the best" in the current game - it has gravity with me.

Irvin is not reknowned for his decision-making prowess.... for obvious reasons. but the player of whom he speaks has demonstrated a boatload of high-impact ability on the field.

it all comes down to whether or not you're willing to trade TDs for lockerroom serenity.

i, for one, am soooo sick of seeing the Cowboys lose games by scores like 14-10 or 17-13.... that i'm willing to try just about anything at this point.

including, but not limited to, TO.

No I do not find it strange for exactly the reason that you stated in the second highlighted portion of your statement.

I have not seen anyone say that Owens was not a beast of a player on the field. I have not seen that anywhere in these discussion that have gone on for weeks. So your point though well taken is not a point of contention.

I for one am not willing to make that trade-off of on field performance by one player for locker-room discord because this game is not played by individuals...it is played by teams. When the team is in discord you get results like the Eagles had last year after 5 consecutive years of being a top caliber team (kills me to say that about the Eagles but it's true).

I am as sick as anyone of losing those 14-10 or 17-13 games and even more tired of losing the 14-13 games. But I do not believe that Owens will change anything for us because I do not believe that we are one player away. I believe that he will do more harm than good before we get to the point where he would help us.