What about Trent Murphy at WDE?

[tm1119]

Haven't seen much talk of Murphy and I'd like to know why. Barr gets a ton of love at 16 and its a real possibility that we could get Murphy at 47.

So let's compare 2 very similar players who played in the same conference.

Barr- 6'5 255, 33 1/2" arms, 1.56 10 yard split, 6.82 3 cone, 9'11 broad, 15 bench reps, 20 TFL, 10 sacks

Murphy- 6'5 250, 33 7/8" arms, 1.63 10 yard split, 6.78 3 cone, 9'10 broad, 19 bench reps, 23.5 TFL, 15 sacks

Barr is admittedly more of the "quick twitch" type of DE, but that doesn't mean that Murphy isn't at the least adequate in that category. And with Murphy you get MUCH better run defense and a more refined football skill set and understanding of the game. I would say Murphy has a better motor as well.

So if we are discussing guys like Barr, Ford, and Attoachu why are we not also discussing Murphy?

 

[MonsterD]

Not sure in second round, third if he was there, absolutely. He is an effort guy, problem is like most of these guys I see him as a rotational piece.

 

[tm1119]

Not sure in second round, third if he was there, absolutely. He is an effort guy, problem is like most of these guys I see him as a rotational piece.

This is what I don't understand. How is he being labeled this "hustle" guy when his workout #'s were above average? Is he an elite athlete? No. But is he more than adequate to be a successful NFL DE? Don't see how you could argue. He's more athletic than Ealy and Chrichton.

So combine the above average workout #'s with the already positive perception that he's a smart and hard working player I don't see why he wouldn't be a good 2nd round pick.

 

[egn22]

Haven't seen much talk of Murphy and I'd like to know why. Barr gets a ton of love at 16 and its a real possibility that we could get Murphy at 47.

So let's compare 2 very similar players who played in the same conference.

Barr- 6'5 255, 33 1/2" arms, 1.56 10 yard split, 6.82 3 cone, 9'11 broad, 15 bench reps, 20 TFL, 10 sacks

Murphy- 6'5 250, 33 7/8" arms, 1.63 10 yard split, 6.78 3 cone, 9'10 broad, 19 bench reps, 23.5 TFL, 15 sacks

Barr is admittedly more of the "quick twitch" type of DE, but that doesn't mean that Murphy isn't at the least adequate in that category. And with Murphy you get MUCH better run defense and a more refined football skill set and understanding of the game. I would say Murphy has a better motor as well.

So if we are discussing guys like Barr, Ford, and Attoachu why are we not also discussing Murphy?

Thanks for the breakdown, I'd prefer Murphy in a trade down scenario.

 

[texbumthelife]

I actually want his line mate Gardner later in the draft.

 

[tm1119]

I actually want his line mate Gardner later in the draft.

Yeah I'm a huge Gardner fan as well. Hes kind of a mystery as to what round though. CBS has him in the 7th but there's no way I see that happening. 5th seems a lot more likely.

 

[texbumthelife]

Yeah I'm a huge Gardner fan as well. Hes kind of a mystery as to what round though. CBS has him in the 7th but there's no way I see that happening. 5th seems a lot more likely.

I would have no problem using three sevenths to pick up and extra sixth and grab him if he's there.

 

[xwalker]

Haven't seen much talk of Murphy and I'd like to know why. Barr gets a ton of love at 16 and its a real possibility that we could get Murphy at 47.

So let's compare 2 very similar players who played in the same conference.

Barr- 6'5 255, 33 1/2" arms, 1.56 10 yard split, 6.82 3 cone, 9'11 broad, 15 bench reps, 20 TFL, 10 sacks

Murphy- 6'5 250, 33 7/8" arms, 1.63 10 yard split, 6.78 3 cone, 9'10 broad, 19 bench reps, 23.5 TFL, 15 sacks

Barr is admittedly more of the "quick twitch" type of DE, but that doesn't mean that Murphy isn't at the least adequate in that category. And with Murphy you get MUCH better run defense and a more refined football skill set and understanding of the game. I would say Murphy has a better motor as well.

So if we are discussing guys like Barr, Ford, and Attoachu why are we not also discussing Murphy?

Barr is not a good comparison to Murphy. Barr is obviously much more of a quick twitch type player.

The better comparison would be Kony Ealy. Is Ealy really that much better that he's a 1st round pick and Murphy is and 2nd to 3rd?

 

[tm1119]

I forgot that Murphy's 20 yard shuttle was 4.20 and Barr's was 4.19. My point is that Murphy is being written off as only an average athlete when that's just not the case. He may not be in the elite or "freak" category, but he's plenty athletic enough to play DE for us. Murphy as 47 >>> Barr, Ealy, or Ford at 16 in terms of value.

 

[tm1119]

Barr is not a good comparison to Murphy. Barr is obviously much more of a quick twitch type player.

The better comparison would be Kony Ealy. Is Ealy really that much better that he's a 1st round pick and Murphy is and 2nd to 3rd?

I didn't mean to compare him directly to Barr as the type of players they are. Barr is definitely a better speed rusher around the edge, although Murphy is capable of beating an OT as well. After that I'm not sure he does anything better than Murphy. I was more using Barr because he's the sexy pick for us at 16 right now and when I don't think he's any better of a DE option than Murphy for us.

 

[xwalker]

I didn't mean to compare him directly to Barr as the type of players they are. Barr is definitely a better speed rusher around the edge, although Murphy is capable of beating an OT as well. After that I'm not sure he does anything better than Murphy. I was more using Barr because he's the sexy pick for us at 16 right now and when I don't think he's any better of a DE option than Murphy for us.

Barr has risks and might not be any better as a college player but his upside is definitely higher than Murphy's.

There are a lot of DEs in this draft that fit in the category with Murphy. Guys that have good length and decent quickness, but don't have the elite quickness that is desired in a WDE. It's a similar issue with the players already on the Cowboys roster. Selvie, Mincey and Crawford are all OK players with length and decent but not great quickness. All of them are probably best at SDE.

 

[visionary]

I forgot that Murphy's 20 yard shuttle was 4.20 and Barr's was 4.19. My point is that Murphy is being written off as only an average athlete when that's just not the case. He may not be in the elite or "freak" category, but he's plenty athletic enough to play DE for us. Murphy as 47 >>> Barr, Ealy, or Ford at 16 in terms of value.

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[Alexander]

Strikes me as a better fit in a 3-4 or hybrid system.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Murphy is a perplexing player. He is a good athlete IMO, borderline elite. He just isn't a fluid athlete so he doesn't look overly athletic from the eye ball test like barr. I think he is a great value in the third. In the second I would be more inclined to take a player like Jeffcoat or attoachu, who I think is gong to climb into the first.

 

[starfrombirth]

Haven't seen much talk of Murphy and I'd like to know why. Barr gets a ton of love at 16 and its a real possibility that we could get Murphy at 47.

So let's compare 2 very similar players who played in the same conference.

Barr- 6'5 255, 33 1/2" arms, 1.56 10 yard split, 6.82 3 cone, 9'11 broad, 15 bench reps, 20 TFL, 10 sacks

Murphy- 6'5 250, 33 7/8" arms, 1.63 10 yard split, 6.78 3 cone, 9'10 broad, 19 bench reps, 23.5 TFL, 15 sacks

Barr is admittedly more of the "quick twitch" type of DE, but that doesn't mean that Murphy isn't at the least adequate in that category. And with Murphy you get MUCH better run defense and a more refined football skill set and understanding of the game. I would say Murphy has a better motor as well.

So if we are discussing guys like Barr, Ford, and Attoachu why are we not also discussing Murphy?

Ok so here is what I see: http://draftbreakdown.com/video/trent-murphy-vs-michigan-state-2013/ Trent is a tall player with long arms but is easily blocked and loses interest after initial contact. He doesn't seem to have a good "motor" to me as he doesn't run down plays or play to the whistle. In the tape I saw, he spent a lot of time in open space waiting for someone to come to him to block. He has a good burst when he chooses to use it but lacks the penetration power of a good DE. Sorry but unless he shows more than I saw, I wouldn't take him before the 4-5th round.

 

[starfrombirth]

Barr has risks and might not be any better as a college player but his upside is definitely higher than Murphy's.

There are a lot of DEs in this draft that fit in the category with Murphy. Guys that have good length and decent quickness, but don't have the elite quickness that is desired in a WDE. It's a similar issue with the players already on the Cowboys roster. Selvie, Mincey and Crawford are all OK players with length and decent but not great quickness. All of them are probably best at SDE.

Thats funny. I wrote my analysis before reading yours and it sounds awfully similar but with different words. Maybe I'm getting better at this huh?

 

[bodi]

he not hustle type of player IMO - you watch film of him he s just aorta there - no great effort

I'd much rather have Gardner who reminds of Jared Allen with his hustle