What are your feelings on Will McClay?

kskboys said:
The Dallas Cowboys do not have a GM.
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Doesn’t matter what you think of McClay. Jerry calls the shots. Just put one name in the front office at any position and the name is Jerry.
 
He is another one that has been here for 20+ years..

I don't dislike the guy.. but if the Franchise keeps not winning anything then maybe some new blood in the FO would help.
 
There is no clear set of responsibilities when it comes to McClay. Does he get evaluated as the director of personnel or as the GM.

McClay compiles the information but how much input does he actually have when it comes to making the picks? How closely does Jerry Jones follow the actual draft board?

What actual power and influence does he actually carry compared to others like the Jones's and the HC?
 
plasticman said:
There is no clear set of responsibilities when it comes to McClay. Does he get evaluated as the director of personnel or as the GM.

McClay compiles the information but how much input does he actually have when it comes to making the picks? How closely does Jerry Jones follow the actual draft board?

What actual power and influence does he actually carry compared to others like the Jones's and the HC?
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It’s ridiculous to give him a pass—he’s part of the problem if you think there’s an issue. He’s been around Dallas under Jerry for about 25 years, steadily elevating himself as the guy running the scouting department and building the draft boards. You’re telling me Jerry just happened to know all these players on his own and decided to draft from some separate list he had? Doubtful. Jerry pays good money for people to gather this information—about undrafted free agents, UFAs from places like the UFL—and while the Jones family makes the final calls, they take input from their coaching staff. All the information, including trade considerations, is brought to them, and decisions are made collaboratively. Sure, the blame falls on the Jones family, but it also belongs to the people advising them. If these hired experts are bringing them valuable info only for it to be ignored, why keep them around? Jerry could save a lot of money—especially since Will McClay reportedly makes a hefty salary—if they’re not going to use his input.


I mean, that’s wild.

Sure, there are times when an owner or GM makes their own call that goes against what their people recommend, but that’s not the whole reason those people are there. This feels like a mom-and-pop setup because the Jones family runs it like a family business, but with 1,200 employees, you’re telling me they’re intentionally bypassing all those layers just to get it wrong? Yeah, they’ve made some bad calls, but it’s not all on them—they are listening, and plenty of these draft picks, free agents, and even coaching staffs deserve their share of the blame, with Will McClay right at the top. Take the Raiders, for example. They brought in Tom Brady, just like Atlanta hired Matt Ryan, hoping they’d change things after Al Davis was gone. But the Davis family is still struggling. They hired a coaching staff that cost $60 million to fire after one year, and now they’re going back to the same guy whose advice burned them before. So, do we blame only the Davis family for ignoring Brady, or are we giving Brady a pass for his huge mistakes? Sometimes I have to side with Jerry—cutting out the middleman can still land you in the same mess, so why pay someone to do the job if you’ll just have to step in anyway? I’m not defending the Jones family’s decisions, but clearly, a GM or a consultant/part-owner like Brady can still get it wrong, and somehow people let them off the hook.
 
he's the only decision maker that spans coaches and is not named Jones, so I guess that alone is good
 
I think he is solid. our best picks our often when things don't go to 'plan' and instead of picking a guy based on some quality a coach wants or a guy on a medical in the 2nd round that Jerry wants because he is still trying to win by having the most talented roster, we just pick the guy top rated on the board. These guys are almost always solid or better.
 
eromeopolk said:
Nashon Wright and Damone Clark are on playoff teams this season. Taco Charlton was on the Chiefs AFC Championship team.

Again it is not the players it is your dumbo GM Jerry Jones.
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It can be both.

None of those players are key contributors on those teams. These are premium day 1 and 2 picks, at best, in backup roles. Terrible draft picks.
 
blueblood70 said:
It’s ridiculous to give him a pass—he’s part of the problem if you think there’s an issue. He’s been around Dallas under Jerry for about 25 years, steadily elevating himself as the guy running the scouting department and building the draft boards. You’re telling me Jerry just happened to know all these players on his own and decided to draft from some separate list he had? Doubtful. Jerry pays good money for people to gather this information—about undrafted free agents, UFAs from places like the UFL—and while the Jones family makes the final calls, they take input from their coaching staff. All the information, including trade considerations, is brought to them, and decisions are made collaboratively. Sure, the blame falls on the Jones family, but it also belongs to the people advising them. If these hired experts are bringing them valuable info only for it to be ignored, why keep them around? Jerry could save a lot of money—especially since Will McClay reportedly makes a hefty salary—if they’re not going to use his input.


I mean, that’s wild.

Sure, there are times when an owner or GM makes their own call that goes against what their people recommend, but that’s not the whole reason those people are there. This feels like a mom-and-pop setup because the Jones family runs it like a family business, but with 1,200 employees, you’re telling me they’re intentionally bypassing all those layers just to get it wrong? Yeah, they’ve made some bad calls, but it’s not all on them—they are listening, and plenty of these draft picks, free agents, and even coaching staffs deserve their share of the blame, with Will McClay right at the top. Take the Raiders, for example. They brought in Tom Brady, just like Atlanta hired Matt Ryan, hoping they’d change things after Al Davis was gone. But the Davis family is still struggling. They hired a coaching staff that cost $60 million to fire after one year, and now they’re going back to the same guy whose advice burned them before. So, do we blame only the Davis family for ignoring Brady, or are we giving Brady a pass for his huge mistakes? Sometimes I have to side with Jerry—cutting out the middleman can still land you in the same mess, so why pay someone to do the job if you’ll just have to step in anyway? I’m not defending the Jones family’s decisions, but clearly, a GM or a consultant/part-owner like Brady can still get it wrong, and somehow people let them off the hook.
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That's an awful lot of assumptions and I don't know how you interpreted that way.

My question is, to what degree does Jerry Jones take the advice of McClay? Also, how closely does Jerry Jones follow the draft board and evaluations compiled by McClay?

My understanding of the way that Jerry makes decisions is that McClay is but one of way too many voices in a committee, each voice vying for Jerry's attention.

In the Cowboys management structure, McClay should be making the decisions but he is not. I doubt that McClay is even the most influential voice, it is probably Stephen of all people.

Drafting and free agency should be a partnership between McClay and Schottenheimer with Jerry only signing the checks. However, I believe that Jerry and Stephen have way too much power in football related decisions,

McClay is probably the most qualified to make decisions but he and his staff is reduced to doing the labor, i.e., the evaluations, the scouting, the draft board, the research etc.

Jerry uses McClay's work and I'm sure he listens but it is Jerry who ultimately makes the decisions and I think we are judging McClay for circumstances beyond his control.

Like everyone else in the organization without the last name Jones, McClay is an advisor and not a decision maker.

He should be held accountable but I don't know how much of this dysfunctional franchise should be attributed to a person that does not have the authority to make meaningful football related decisions.

Jerry wants the world to know he makes all the decisions and it certainly seems like he would expect the majority of credit should the Cowboys succeed. However when things go south it's always someone else that gets the axe.

In my opinion, McClay gets the blame when he has the appropriate job title and authority that goes with it. Otherwise, we're just taking it out on him because blaming the guy that is really responsible results in nothing but quotes that insult our intelligence.
 
charron said:
With how Jerry runs things it's difficult to figure out who is responsible for what and how much control they actually have of that department. If they had hired a better DC and not traded Micah along with getting williams they'd be in the playoffs and the story would be 10000% different.
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They would still be one and done.
 
Hard to tell what he’s responsible for, but anyone who has been in the personnel department has a downward trending arrow, especially the draft.
 
plasticman said:
That's an awful lot of assumptions and I don't know how you interpreted that way.

My question is, to what degree does Jerry Jones take the advice of McClay? Also, how closely does Jerry Jones follow the draft board and evaluations compiled by McClay?

My understanding of the way that Jerry makes decisions is that McClay is but one of way too many voices in a committee, each voice vying for Jerry's attention.

In the Cowboys management structure, McClay should be making the decisions but he is not. I doubt that McClay is even the most influential voice, it is probably Stephen of all people.

Drafting and free agency should be a partnership between McClay and Schottenheimer with Jerry only signing the checks. However, I believe that Jerry and Stephen have way too much power in football related decisions,

McClay is probably the most qualified to make decisions but he and his staff is reduced to doing the labor, i.e., the evaluations, the scouting, the draft board, the research etc.

Jerry uses McClay's work and I'm sure he listens but it is Jerry who ultimately makes the decisions and I think we are judging McClay for circumstances beyond his control.

Like everyone else in the organization without the last name Jones, McClay is an advisor and not a decision maker.

He should be held accountable but I don't know how much of this dysfunctional franchise should be attributed to a person that does not have the authority to make meaningful football related decisions.

Jerry wants the world to know he makes all the decisions and it certainly seems like he would expect the majority of credit should the Cowboys succeed. However when things go south it's always someone else that gets the axe.

In my opinion, McClay gets the blame when he has the appropriate job title and authority that goes with it. Otherwise, we're just taking it out on him because blaming the guy that is really responsible results in nothing but quotes that insult our intelligence.
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He has a way of interpreting things you've said into some magically different way, I really don't get it!!!!
 
Coogiguy03 said:
He's brought us some good players but he's also brought us some terrible ones and a lack of guys that can come in that are later round picks to play and help us
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All he can do is advise, I think he’s an excellent scout
 
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