What Are Your Thoughts On Will McClay?

[Idgit]

not making a single NFC Championship game in 21 years = not really a championship run.

I didn't say it was. But it's not really relevant to the topic at hand, anyway.

 

[Bleu Star]

We are into his second offseason as Director of Pro Personel. How do you feel he has done so far?

I'm not impressed with him or the rest of this ******* front office. If you're going to shoot blanks or fail to launch at least keep your mouth shut to avoid misleading fans into thinking you're actually doing something smart.

Bye Lamar
Bye Matt

These idiots couldn't close a real deal if their lives depended on it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

The reality is, we don't have the visibility to know who's responsible for which decisions, anyway. And we can't really trust what's reported. Everyone wants credit after the fact, and hindsight is 20/20. All we can really do fairly is judge the whole front office collectively.

And I still think we do a good job scouting these days, overall.

Those desions are layered though. The front office makes a desion based on the information the scouts give them.

For McClay. Two things stand out on both sides of fense.

On the good side he has done a solid job of finding players on the scarpheap. Mincey and Crawford were both solid values and/finds and we more production out of McFadden then the Saints did out of their signings in Ingram and Spiller combined. His forte was always pro scouting

On the bad side his department hasnt done well in portions of the draft where scouts really come through for you. The mid to late portions. We have gotten very few usuable players in that portion of the draft ( including UDFA) over the last couple of years. The 2014 7th round really stands out for me as we added players that really didnt fit the scheme we were trying to install with a box safety, a 5 Tech and a 2 gap DT with little quickness. They really need to improve there efforts scouting the mid to late portions of the draft, because while your hit rate is low, between 4 and 7 you really want to find at least 2 guys who are going to finish there rookie deal IMO

 

[darthseinfeld]

I disagree. I think we try to create patterns from the variety of opinions because we're comfortable with lines in sand and the spectrum of actual collective opinions is difficult to work with conceptually.

For example, no matter how hard I bash our defensive performance and our decisions under Garrett re the defensive staff, I'm lumped in as a guy who never says anything bad about the team. It's not because of my position on the team. It's because most of the time when I post, I'm defending the team against what I think is a crazy criticism.

The reality has always been that there's been a variety of opinions on both McClay and Ciskowsky.

" Line in the sand" may have been a poor/incomplete example. There is a " line in the sand" section of fanbases who fall pray to either fanboy or hater group think. Where you tend to either wholly trust or dismiss the actions of the people in charge depending on which side the line we fall on. People that dont fall into this are often grouped with one side by the other

 

[Alexander]

These idiots couldn't close a real deal if their lives depended on it.

Yes, they can. Case in point, Collins.

But things have to break right. On a playing field with peers, their own self-induced handicaps come into play.

 

[waving monkey]

I think he's the Rod Marinelli of personnel acquisition.

pretty great then
mixed bag for me

 

[Bleu Star]

Yes, they can. Case in point, Collins.

But things have to break right. On a playing field with peers, their own self-induced handicaps come into play.

That wasn't these idiots. That was Jerry.

 

[Alexander]

That wasn't these idiots. That was Jerry.

Oh. I thought we were talking our idiot collective.

If you believe what we are told, that idiot hive is responsible for all decisions via group decision.

 

[Idgit]

Those desions are layered though. The front office makes a desion based on the information the scouts give them.

For McClay. Two things stand out on both sides of fense.

On the good side he has done a solid job of finding players on the scarpheap. Mincey and Crawford were both solid values and/finds and we more production out of McFadden then the Saints did out of their signings in Ingram and Spiller combined. His forte was always pro scouting

On the bad side his department hasnt done well in portions of the draft where scouts really come through for you. The mid to late portions. We have gotten very few usuable players in that portion of the draft ( including UDFA) over the last couple of years. The 2014 7th round really stands out for me as we added players that really didnt fit the scheme we were trying to install with a box safety, a 5 Tech and a 2 gap DT with little quickness. They really need to improve there efforts scouting the mid to late portions of the draft, because while your hit rate is low, between 4 and 7 you really want to find at least 2 guys who are going to finish there rookie deal IMO

The best drafters definitely do that. SEA, for example, made a killing off their 4th rounders there for a while.

Overall, we did a poor job drafting during the Wade era. We've improved recently, but not really enough.

We've got a decent roster, overall. And we don't do all that much in FA beyond filling gaps. But there's definitely room for improvement either I drafting or developing the players we do bring in.

 

[Bleu Star]

Oh. I thought we were talking our idiot collective.

If you believe what we are told, that idiot hive is responsible for all decisions via group decision.

What we are witnessing right now is the Stephen Jones effecr. Thus far, I don't like it... Jerry is a schmoozer. Stephen sees things in black & white. He is incapable of shmoozing.

 

[Alexander]

What we are witnessing right now is the Stephen Jones effecr. Thus far, I don't like it... Jerry is a schmoozer. Stephen sees things in black & white. He is incapable of shmoozing.

Stephen may see things in black and white, but he does not seem any more football savvy than his father.

 

[Bleu Star]

Stephen may see things in black and white, but he does not seem any more football savvy than his father.

That was kinda my point. (Which is reason to worry)

Schmoozing falls into that gray area and you have to be able to switch gears and do it on demand.

 

[CowboyChris]

So McClay controls contracts and salaries?

Tell me more.

when did i say that?

 

[big dog cowboy]

What Are Your Thoughts On Will McClay?

Are you happy with Zack Martin or do you wish we had drafted JF?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Are you happy with Zack Martin or do you wish we had drafted JF?

But whose call was that?

 

[cowboyblue22]

i think until he and the front office really builds a contender there is not much to judge. the overall record for this team over the last years is a 500 record that's mediocrity at its best.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Stephen may see things in black and white, but he does not seem any more football savvy than his father.

I see Stephan trading down all the way from the first to 7th round annually.

We are going to get draft equivalents of Nate Livings and Jasper Brinkley

 

[garyv]

Can't really say on McClay honestly I judge on are we winning or losing and last season we lost. In my
view, Garrett, Jones, McClay did a piss poor job of assuring this team was ready in case of a Romo injury.
They treated Romo as if hes bullet proof and anyone can step in and win with this mighty team. Same goes
at RB they are missing the fact that parity in the NFL can be the difference in two players on your roster.
It can swing games negatively on a few plays. Its important to have strong depth which WE DON'T HAVE
and that's a reflection on McClay, Jones and Garrett. I will say this much....

If Garrett has another down season it's time to change directions. Hes had his opportunity now its time
to let someone else take over.

 

[CowboyRoy]

We are into his second offseason as Director of Pro Personel. How do you feel he has done so far?

He is definitely an improvement over how things were being run before. As messed up as this team is, it was way worse before. At least you can begin to see some kind of sensibility in both the draft and FA. Its hard to tell exactly what is McClay? Does Jerry overule him and pick guys like Gregory? I know I loved the pick. Im not liking it now, but did McClay say go for it or stay away? Did Jones not listen? We may never know.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The team has done well in the first round the last few seasons. They need to improve in the later rounds. I think McClay has improved the team's scouting overall, Garrett as well.

Garrett? Not this again.