What do you think the odds of Jones actually drafting at 27 are?

[endersdragon]

I just don't see it happening. The only reason we stayed put last year is because no one really wanted to trade for it (or at least give it it's proper value) as the only guy who fail, Manziel, would most likely fall farther as there weren't a lot of teams coming up looking to draft a qb. This year, I just can't see us staying put. Jerry loves to trade picks, either up (Mo, Dez, Lawerence, or Lee) or down (Fredbeard,... 2009 (enough said), Spencer (which was technically both a trade up and a trade down), Hatcher), etc.).

I just don't think the guys we want will be there at #27, and I don't see us trading up as being the wisest of options so I would rather we pull a Patriots and trade down and get some extra picks so we can really shore up the defense in the 2nd and 3rd round. While it might just net us 1 or possibly 2 extra picks, a high 3rd rounder could look quite good for picking up a good safety or DT prospect. What do you guys think the chances of us staying put are?

 

[KingintheNorth]

So many moving parts. I think the scouting department and the front office will get their lists together of who they want, where they think they will go, and do some legwork of who might want to trade up or down. If they hate the depth around pick 27, they may decide pre-draft they will be looking to move down. If they love the depth around 15-20 they might decide they are going to try to trade up. At pick 27, too many things might happen so I doubt the team starts the draft with the iron clad mentality we are definitely going to trade down.

 

[DBOY3141]

Safe money is on a trade down and try and pick up an extra 3.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Right now, I want us to trade down with the first pick and then trade back up from the 2nd round pick because (as of today) I want to somehow come away with TCU's Paul Dawson and Wake Forest's Kevin Johnson with our first two picks.

 

[endersdragon]

Right now, I want us to trade down with the first pick and then trade back up from the 2nd round pick because (as of today) I want to somehow come away with TCU's Paul Dawson and Wake Forest's Kevin Johnson with our first two picks.

I like Kevin Johnson (though do think he will likely be there in the late 2nd near our pick) but not sure about Paul Dawson. I think if we resign anyone, we are set at starting LB; and would much rather see us go after at d-lineman in the first 2 picks than a OLB.

 

[reddyuta]

25%,i dont want a trade up under any cost though.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I just don't see it happening. The only reason we stayed put last year is because no one really wanted to trade for it (or at least give it it's proper value) as the only guy who fail, Manziel, would most likely fall farther as there weren't a lot of teams coming up looking to draft a qb. This year, I just can't see us staying put. Jerry loves to trade picks, either up (Mo, Dez, Lawerence, or Lee) or down (Fredbeard,... 2009 (enough said), Spencer (which was technically both a trade up and a trade down), Hatcher), etc.).

I just don't think the guys we want will be there at #27, and I don't see us trading up as being the wisest of options so I would rather we pull a Patriots and trade down and get some extra picks so we can really shore up the defense in the 2nd and 3rd round. While it might just net us 1 or possibly 2 extra picks, a high 3rd rounder could look quite good for picking up a good safety or DT prospect. What do you guys think the chances of us staying put are?

I generally agree, but don't underestimate the effect of the fifth-year option. If we see a guy we like at 27 who we might be able to get by trading down to the 35 range, we may prefer to stay in the 1st round a take him so we can put the fifth-year option into the contract.

 

[DBOY3141]

I generally agree, but don't underestimate the effect of the fifth-year option. If we see a guy we like at 27 who we might be able to get by trading down to the 35 range, we may prefer to stay in the 1st round a take him so we can put the fifth-year option into the contract.

That's a very good point.

 

[tm1119]

I like Kevin Johnson (though do think he will likely be there in the late 2nd near our pick) but not sure about Paul Dawson. I think if we resign anyone, we are set at starting LB; and would much rather see us go after at d-lineman in the first 2 picks than a OLB.

Pretty sure being "set" at LB while including any/all of Lee, McClain and Durant is an oxymoron....or something like that, just doesn't work.

 

[xwalker]

I just don't see it happening. The only reason we stayed put last year is because no one really wanted to trade for it (or at least give it it's proper value) as the only guy who fail, Manziel, would most likely fall farther as there weren't a lot of teams coming up looking to draft a qb. This year, I just can't see us staying put. Jerry loves to trade picks, either up (Mo, Dez, Lawerence, or Lee) or down (Fredbeard,... 2009 (enough said), Spencer (which was technically both a trade up and a trade down), Hatcher), etc.).

I just don't think the guys we want will be there at #27, and I don't see us trading up as being the wisest of options so I would rather we pull a Patriots and trade down and get some extra picks so we can really shore up the defense in the 2nd and 3rd round. While it might just net us 1 or possibly 2 extra picks, a high 3rd rounder could look quite good for picking up a good safety or DT prospect. What do you guys think the chances of us staying put are?

The Cowboys only stay put in the 1st 20% of the time.

As far as trading up or down it's way early to predict. We don't know about free agents right now and we don't really know where players will end up in the draft. Go back and look at draft ranking from January of any year and compare that to where players were really picked. It's often shocking how wrong the ranking were. Where was Jeffcoat in the rankings this time last year? Some were saying late first and most were saying 2nd round. In reality he was not drafted.

 

[endersdragon]

Pretty sure being "set" at LB while including any/all of Lee, McClain and Durant is an oxymoron....or something like that, just doesn't work.

Far more set then we are with Lawerence and Mincey starting at DE. Or Hayden starting at DT.

 

[xwalker]

Far more set then we are with Lawerence and Mincey starting at DE. Or Hayden starting at DT.

Mincey will look great compared to Keith Smith if he has to replace Lee.

 

[endersdragon]

Mincey will look great compared to Keith Smith if he has to replace Lee.

That is where Hitchens is great, he can play any of the 3 roles quite well and we will most likely sign McClain (he wants to come back, everyone knows it) and either Durant/Carter leaving us with 5 LBs. Though how do you like ummm... do we have a 3rd DE on our roster if Lawerence goes down again? Spencer and Selvie are both free agents, so I don't think we do.

 

[tm1119]

That is where Hitchens is great, he can play any of the 3 roles quite well and we will most likely sign McClain (he wants to come back, everyone knows it) and either Durant/Carter leaving us with 5 LBs. Though how do you like ummm... do we have a 3rd DE on our roster if Lawerence goes down again? Spencer and Selvie are both free agents, so I don't think we do.

Take a look at your calendar....it's still January. If you go into the draft with what positions you are going to draft in the 1st 2 rounds premeditated its going to be a bad draft more often than not. Paul Dawson would be an amazing fit as a Marinelli LB, and I'd be willing to bet he'll be ranked pretty highly on our board because of that. If he's the best guy on the board you take him without thinking twice.

 

[chuch]

Out of curiosity, what would your opinion be if the team gave up our their first for a 2015 second and 2016 first? Let's say to a team that would potentially be drafting in the top 10.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Out of curiosity, what would your opinion be if the team gave up our their first for a 2015 second and 2016 first? Let's say to a team that would potentially be drafting in the top 10.

I'd be cool with that, assuming we weren't passing up some stud who'd fallen crazy far.

I'd also bet on our trade partner to have a surprisingly good year in 2015. The last two times we made trades like that were 2004, when we traded with the lousy Bills who somehow turned around and went 9-7, and 2007, when we traded with the lousy Browns who somehow turned around and went 10-6. In both cases, the 1st-rounders we got were much much lower than what we were dreaming on.

 

[DallasBlockersClub]

I just don't see it happening. The only reason we stayed put last year is because no one really wanted to trade for it (or at least give it it's proper value) as the only guy who fail, Manziel, would most likely fall farther as there weren't a lot of teams coming up looking to draft a qb. This year, I just can't see us staying put. Jerry loves to trade picks, either up (Mo, Dez, Lawerence, or Lee) or down (Fredbeard,... 2009 (enough said), Spencer (which was technically both a trade up and a trade down), Hatcher), etc.).

I just don't think the guys we want will be there at #27, and I don't see us trading up as being the wisest of options so I would rather we pull a Patriots and trade down and get some extra picks so we can really shore up the defense in the 2nd and 3rd round. While it might just net us 1 or possibly 2 extra picks, a high 3rd rounder could look quite good for picking up a good safety or DT prospect. What do you guys think the chances of us staying put are?

With the way this draft is set up a trade down is the best bet; unfortunately, most teams will have this same thought which might make a trade up more valuable. Who knows.

 

[Questfor6]

Someone near the top of the 2nd will be trying to come back up for someone we see it every year. With that in mind I think they need to hold true to their board first and foremost but if the offer is too good they should explore adding extra picks. This draft class seems rather deep at areas of need (RB, RT, DT, DE, LB, CB) so extra picks and not 5 7ths either sounds solid.

 

[DFWJC]

I do t understand talk of trading down unless you want to qualify that with us not having great value staring at us at 27.
You don't just trade down for the helluvit.

And talk about nobody wanting to trade with us last year was bs too. But we had Martin and Mosley rated fair value or better when we were on the clock (plus Manziel was still out there) so we wanted a very good offer or nothing at all.