What does all of the restructing of contracts mean for 2014, 2015, 2016 Caps?

[Zordon]

I need some help from the cap gurus. I understand that we're pretty maxed out for 2013 and we'll not be major players in free agency. I've accepted the fact that Stephen Jones was lying thru his teeth to us a few weeks ago.

My question is how does the restructuring of several of our top players contracts affect our salary caps down the line? Did we essentially push more money into the future to get under the cap this year and therefore hurt our flexibility in the future? If so, when and how would recommend ending this perpetual cycle of bad money management?

 

[burmafrd]

Jerruh is counting on a decent increase in 2015 and a big increase in 2016 and the years following.

If THAT happens we are OK.

If it does NOT we are screwed.

 

[DanteEXT]

Jerruh is counting on a decent increase in 2015 and a big increase in 2016 and the years following.

If THAT happens we are OK.

If it does NOT we are screwed.

And I would guess the Cowboys are not the only team in that situation .

 

[op124]

He's going to keep pushing until one of the very expensive contracts expires or cut them and make the dead money very high. When that happens he will have to start paying Dez, Tyron and Mo. Such a vicious cycle.

 

[burmafrd]

And I would guess the Cowboys are not the only team in that situation .

some of the teams are doing that as well. Most are not.

 

[Wood]

I need some help from the cap gurus. I understand that we're pretty maxed out for 2013 and we'll not be major players in free agency. I've accepted the fact that Stephen Jones was lying thru his teeth to us a few weeks ago.

My question is how does the restructuring of several of our top players contracts affect our salary caps down the line? Did we essentially push more money into the future to get under the cap this year and therefore hurt our flexibility in the future? If so, when and how would recommend ending this perpetual cycle of bad money management?

It means if these older core players start to break down in next three years....Dallas is in big big trouble.

 

[speedkilz88]

Jerruh is counting on a decent increase in 2015 and a big increase in 2016 and the years following.

If THAT happens we are OK.

If it does NOT we are screwed.

And I would guess the Cowboys are not the only team in that situation .

Not by a longshot. Have you seen Flaccos contract?


YEAR BASE------S. BONUS MISC.------CAP HIT DEAD
2013 1,000,000 5,800,000 ----------- 6,800,000 29,000,000
2014 6,000,000 5,800,000 3,000,000 14,800,000 38,200,000
2015 4,000,000 5,800,000 4,750,000 14,550,000 36,400,000
2016 18,000,000 5,800,000 4,750,000 28,550,000 25,850,000
2017 20,600,000 5,800,000 4,750,000 31,150,000 15,300,000
2018 20,000,000 --------- 4,750,000 24,750,000 4,750,000
2019 UFA

 

[perrykemp]

And I would guess the Cowboys are not the only team in that situation .

You are right, there are lots of non-playoff caliber teams in the same situation. As far as playoff caliber teams in the NFC:

• 49ers were roughly $14m under the cap at the start of free agency.
  
• Packers are roughly $18m under the cap.
  
• Seahawks are $13m under the cap AFTER signing Harvin
  
• Atlanta has $9m of cap room

 

[speedkilz88]

You are right, there are lots of non-playoff caliber teams in the same situation. As far as playoff caliber teams in the NFC:

• 49ers were roughly $14m under the cap at the start of free agency.
  
• Packers are roughly $18m under the cap.
  
• Seahawks are $13m under the cap AFTER signing Harvin
  
• Atlanta has $9m of cap room

Current situation is meaningless to what they are saying dude. The Cowboys could be under the cap by more than that if they wanted to let Spencer go and didn't have a five million fine again this year. Or if they just get the Romo and Spencer deals done.

 

[perrykemp]

Current situation is meaningless to what they are saying dude. The Cowboys could be under the cap by more than that if they wanted to let Spencer go and didn't have a five million fine again this year. Or if they just get the Romo and Spencer deals done.

I don't think it is meaningless.

You think the Packers wanted to let Greg Jennings go into Free Agency or the 49ers wanted to let Dashon Goldson hit Free Agency?

Good teams understand that you can't sign everyone -- that you have to let veterans go sometimes and that you need to replenish through the draft and maximize the cap through rookie contracts.

The Cowboys on the other hand, hand out $40m contracts to declining players in the 30s like Jay Ratliff and get themselves in a jam with 30'ish players like Spencer...

BIG DIFFERENCE.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't think it is meaningless.

You think the Packers wanted to let Greg Jennings go into Free Agency or the 49ers wanted to let Dashon Goldson hit Free Agency?

Good teams understand that you can't sign everyone -- that you have to let veterans go sometimes and that you need to replenish through the draft and maximize the cap through rookie contracts.

The Cowboys on the other hand, hand out $40m contracts to declining players in the 30s like Jay Ratliff and get themselves in a jam with 30'ish players like Spencer...

BIG DIFFERENCE.

The Packers would keep Spencer and Ratliff without a doubt. They are too productive. WRs are usually considered a dime a dozen and the Packers are pretty deep. Now I would agree they most likely wouldn't have redone Jay recently. But I think the Cowboys might have had an agreement with him from his previous contract that they would give him more if the salary cap allowed.

But still your comment didn't fit the discussion that the other posters were making. They were talking about future years and cap situations. The present doesn't matter in that discussion.

 

[hlh_8728]

You are right, there are lots of non-playoff caliber teams in the same situation. As far as playoff caliber teams in the NFC:

• 49ers were roughly $14m under the cap at the start of free agency.
  
• Packers are roughly $18m under the cap.
  
• Seahawks are $13m under the cap AFTER signing Harvin
  
• Atlanta has $9m of cap room

None of them have had to pay their yonug QB's yet. Wait until Arod gets a new deal and Matty Ice is going to get paid as well. The 49ers and Seahawks have another season or two, but if Wilson and Kap keep playing at a high level they will comand top dollar.

 

[JesusQuintana]

You are right, there are lots of non-playoff caliber teams in the same situation. As far as playoff caliber teams in the NFC:

• 49ers were roughly $14m under the cap at the start of free agency.
• Packers are roughly $18m under the cap.
• Seahawks are $13m under the cap AFTER signing Harvin
• Atlanta has $9m of cap room

You have to remember that with 3 of those teams (49ers, Seahawks, Falcons), they are extremely lucky CURRENTLY.

49ers and Hawks struck gold in the draft at the QB position, and are both paying 2 guys in $700,000-$900,000' range, instead of paying them franchise QB money, which generally takes up 10-15% of a team's cap. 49ers will experience this next season with Kaep (while also having to pay Aldon Smith), while Seahawks are just in a good position now in general. Rodgers is in an extremely team friendly contract, but I expect that to change sooner rather then later, and for him to surpass Flacco.

The Falcons have one of their most dynamic playmakers on a team friendly deal in Julio Jones, while not having a true back under contract now. (I consider Rodgers more of a scatback type, a 6-10 carry back).

Truth is, if you do well in the draft, you are rewarded heavily. Since you won't have to overpay for starters from other teams and in the market. Retaining your own talent is a different story completely though.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I really don't fret too much on their ability to manage the cap in theory. What I fret about is that they have to spend top dollars on Free Agents to compensate for underwhelming drafting.

What should be their core group of players via the 2007 through 2010 drafts has turned into five players likely to be on the 2013 roster out of 33 picks (assuming they cut the cord with Doug Free and Brent is officially out).

We wouldn't need Carr and Mo if Mike Jenkins had fulfilled his potential and DeAngelo Smith or Josh Thomas had turned into something.

We aren't desperate for safeties if AOA had turned into something.

Perhaps Orton isn't needed or Dallas has some leverage with Romo if Stephen McGee develops into something.

Dallas needs the 2011, 2012 and 2013 classes to be great in order to avoid Cap purgatory and/or continued mediocrity. 2011 is looking promising, which is good, but those guys from 2012 need to step up and do so this year.

 

[speedkilz88]

I really don't fret too much on their ability to manage the cap in theory. What I fret about is that they have to spend top dollars on Free Agents to compensate for underwhelming drafting.

What should be their core group of players via the 2007 through 2010 drafts has turned into five players likely to be on the 2013 roster out of 33 picks (assuming they cut the cord with Doug Free and Brent is officially out).

We wouldn't need Carr and Mo if Mike Jenkins had fulfilled his potential and DeAngelo Smith or Josh Thomas had turned into something.

We aren't desperate for safeties if AOA had turned into something.

Perhaps Orton isn't needed or Dallas has some leverage with Romo if Stephen McGee develops into something.

Dallas needs the 2011, 2012 and 2013 classes to be great in order to avoid Cap purgatory and/or continued mediocrity. 2011 is looking promising, which is good, but those guys from 2012 need to step up and do so this year.

Smith-6th, Thomas-5th and AOA-4th are typical nfl misses. No team hits them all, especially late. They actually wanted to hang on to Thomas who is still with the Panthers. The Cowboys success with free agents is actually atypical and makes up for some of those misses. Jenkins imo was still a good pick as far as talent they just had an opportunity to get a more reliable cb in Carr. That opportunity is rare since most teams hold on to CBs like gold. I think any chance you have to get a player the caliber of Mo you have to take it. He was the best defensive player available last year and has an extremely bright future ahead of him imo.

 

[Hoofbite]

None of them have had to pay their yonug QB's yet. Wait until Arod gets a new deal and Matty Ice is going to get paid as well. The 49ers and Seahawks have another season or two, but if Wilson and Kap keep playing at a high level they will comand top dollar.

Rodgers contract is like 4M less than Romo's.

Ryan's is the same as Romo's. He was drafted at a time when the first couple picks were paid more than anyone else.

In that regard, these two teams are in the same position as Dallas.

 

[speedkilz88]

Rodgers contract is like 4M less than Romo's.

Ryan's is the same as Romo's. He was drafted at a time when the first couple picks were paid more than anyone else.

In that regard, these two teams are in the same position as Dallas.

(edit)Rodgers is at 9.75 (this years salary and cap hit) which is a steal in today's qb market and he is due a new contract soon. That will be as big, probably bigger than Flacco's.

Matt Ryan's is 12 while Romo's is close to 17. (cap hit)Both also need new deals)

 

[MichaelWinicki]

You have to remember that with 3 of those teams (49ers, Seahawks, Falcons), they are extremely lucky CURRENTLY.

49ers and Hawks struck gold in the draft at the QB position, and are both paying 2 guys in $700,000-$900,000' range, instead of paying them franchise QB money, which generally takes up 10-15% of a team's cap. 49ers will experience this next season with Kaep (while also having to pay Aldon Smith), while Seahawks are just in a good position now in general. Rodgers is in an extremely team friendly contract, but I expect that to change sooner rather then later, and for him to surpass Flacco.

The Falcons have one of their most dynamic playmakers on a team friendly deal in Julio Jones, while not having a true back under contract now. (I consider Rodgers more of a scatback type, a 6-10 carry back).

Truth is, if you do well in the draft, you are rewarded heavily. Since you won't have to overpay for starters from other teams and in the market. Retaining your own talent is a different story completely though.

+1


Well done.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Smith-6th, Thomas-5th and AOA-4th are typical nfl misses. No team hits them all, especially late. They actually wanted to hang on to Thomas who is still with the Panthers. The Cowboys success with free agents is actually atypical and makes up for some of those misses. Jenkins imo was still a good pick as far as talent they just had an opportunity to get a more reliable cb in Carr. That opportunity is rare since most teams hold on to CBs like gold. I think any chance you have to get a player the caliber of Mo you have to take it. He was the best defensive player available last year and has an extremely bright future ahead of him imo.

I would say that most of them would be considered typical NFL misses when looking at it in a purely isolated manner, but with only 16% of those picks on the roster right now I would say that the end result was extremely underwhelming.

David Arkin, Robert Brewster, James Martin and now Doug Free bombing are a big reason why our O-line is in dire straights. They could all be considered typical misses until you look over at the Corners, Safeties, QB, RBs and FBs and see that there were a bunch of typical misses there from that timeframe as well.

They all add up to having holes in the starting line-up or lack of quality depth without thinking of reaching out through Free Agency. That in turn can greatly strain the salary cap.

 

[speedkilz88]

I would say that most of them would be considered typical NFL misses when looking at it in a purely isolated manner, but with only 16% of those picks on the roster right now I would say that the end result was extremely underwhelming.

David Arkin, Robert Brewster, James Martin and now Doug Free bombing are a big reason why our O-line is in dire straights. They could all be considered typical misses until you look over at the Corners, Safeties, QB, RBs and FBs and see that there were a bunch of typical misses there from that timeframe as well.

They all add up to having holes in the starting line-up or lack of quality depth without thinking of reaching out through Free Agency. That in turn can greatly strain the salary cap.

The numbers actually don't back you up on that. 2009 is the only year that they bombed on picks of late and that had a lot to do with the RoyW trade and a weak overall draft that was hard on all teams.