What happens if the new HC reverts to the 4-3?

[ghst187]

How hard would it be for us to mix and match pieces back into the 4-3?
I think our DL would be very doable..and yes I realize we played a lot of this throughout the season...(I actually think our DL might be better in the 4-3)
But I think the biggest problem is our LB corps. We have a ton of LB's but they are all 3-4 guys and 4-3 guys should be faster. I think Burnett would do well, James would still be in the middle, Carp can play outside also....
but I would be looking to add some speed and coverage ability into the LB corps. I think that would be the biggest hurdle.
Of course, IMO even if we stay with the 3-4, we still need an injection of speed and coverage ability in the LB corps.
Either way, the answer is Adalius Thomas IMO....lol.
I still expect a passrushing/coverage ability OLB to be drafted on day 1 also.

 

[Aikbach]

He doesn't get hired.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

How hard would it be for us to mix and match pieces back into the 4-3?
I think our DL would be very doable..and yes I realize we played a lot of this throughout the season...(I actually think our DL might be better in the 4-3)
But I think the biggest problem is our LB corps. We have a ton of LB's but they are all 3-4 guys and 4-3 guys should be faster. I think Burnett would do well, James would still be in the middle, Carp can play outside also....
but I would be looking to add some speed and coverage ability into the LB corps. I think that would be the biggest hurdle.
Of course, IMO even if we stay with the 3-4, we still need an injection of speed and coverage ability in the LB corps.
Either way, the answer is Adalius Thomas IMO....lol.
I still expect a passrushing/coverage ability OLB to be drafted on day 1 also.

The only problem I see in some depth at DT position with the current roster. The LB core would be fine, depending on if Burnett gets it. Akin was a 4-3 MLB with Jacksonville before last year and was pretty dang good, Carp is a natural sam in the 4-3 and I think Burnett would be a very good will, with Al singleton and Fowler as back ups for the sam and will and james as the back up MLB...this is not counting anything done in FA and the draft. Switching back to the 4-3 would not be a huge issue, if we wanted to.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

How hard would it be for us to mix and match pieces back into the 4-3?
I think our DL would be very doable..and yes I realize we played a lot of this throughout the season...(I actually think our DL might be better in the 4-3)
But I think the biggest problem is our LB corps. We have a ton of LB's but they are all 3-4 guys and 4-3 guys should be faster. I think Burnett would do well, James would still be in the middle, Carp can play outside also....
but I would be looking to add some speed and coverage ability into the LB corps. I think that would be the biggest hurdle.
Of course, IMO even if we stay with the 3-4, we still need an injection of speed and coverage ability in the LB corps.
Either way, the answer is Adalius Thomas IMO....lol.
I still expect a passrushing/coverage ability OLB to be drafted on day 1 also.

It should work.

OLB - Aydole, Burnett, Carpenter (mix and match, hell, these 3 could be the guys)
MLB - James
DE- Ware, Hatcher, Ellis?
DT- Spears, Canty
NT - Ferguson

 

[DipChit]

What happens if the new HC reverts to the 4-3?

Well, I guess a 4th guy would have to put his hand on the ground.

I know that seems oversimplfied but Wade said thats really the only difference between the 3-4 and the 4-3 anyway.

 

[AbeBeta]

Ware is not an ideal player for a 4-3. And you don't want to take your best defender and put him in a spot he doesn't fit

 

[fortdick]

Ware is not an ideal player for a 4-3. And you don't want to take your best defender and put him in a spot he doesn't fit

Why isn't he? He is big enough and too fast enough! Wasn't he a DE in college? It would be a perfect change for him. Just turn him loose and let him do what he does best. No worrying about coverage.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Ware is not an ideal player for a 4-3. And you don't want to take your best defender and put him in a spot he doesn't fit

More obvious passing downs, Ware gets into the 4-3. You can play him at OLB as well. Wade Phillips is right. The difference in the system is very minimal. Good DC's these days seem to shuffle things up so much, base formations are almost out.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why isn't he? He is big enough and too fast enough! Wasn't he a DE in college? It would be a perfect change for him. Just turn him loose and let him do what he does best. No worrying about coverage.

Because he'd be playing closer to O-linemen. He gets swallowed up by those guys. Ware needs to be in a D that lets him move around to take advantage of his excellent speed. He was a DE in college - at a small college that plays a weak schedule. He wasn't a DE at a big time college where he went against top (read large) competition.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Because he'd be playing closer to O-linemen. He gets swallowed up by those guys. Ware needs to be in a D that lets him move around to take advantage of his excellent speed. He was a DE in college - at a small college that plays a weak schedule. He wasn't a DE at a big time college where he went against top (read large) competition.

It's the truth.

Many college LB's get moved to safety.

Ware can play with his hand on the ground, but that's generally on passing downs.

Any offense with half a brain would run away from Ellis and Hatcher and go straight at Ware. Wear the guy down on 1st and 2nd down, and then take him away as the team's best pass rusher.

 

[AbeBeta]

Any offense with half a brain would run away from Ellis and Hatcher and go straight at Ware. Wear the guy down on 1st and 2nd down, and then take him away as the team's best pass rusher.

and its a damn shame -- because as an OLB in the 3-4 he's outstanding against the run -- but that is because he just has to shed 1 blocker.

 

[jimmy40]

Because he'd be playing closer to O-linemen. He gets swallowed up by those guys. Ware needs to be in a D that lets him move around to take advantage of his excellent speed. He was a DE in college - at a small college that plays a weak schedule. He wasn't a DE at a big time college where he went against top (read large) competition.

Where did Charles Haley go to school?

 

[Frozen700]

Jerry said we will stay with the 3-4 no matter what

 

[fortdick]

Because he'd be playing closer to O-linemen. He gets swallowed up by those guys. Ware needs to be in a D that lets him move around to take advantage of his excellent speed. He was a DE in college - at a small college that plays a weak schedule. He wasn't a DE at a big time college where he went against top (read large) competition.

So, Strahan can't play DE? Ware is bigger than him. Sounds kind of right to me.

 

[AbeBeta]

Where did Charles Haley go to school?

Haley Shmaley. That a different era -- Haley retired from the Cowboys in 1996.

What's your next argument, Bob Lilly? Should we move Ware to DT?

 

[AbeBeta]

So, Strahan can't play DE? Ware is bigger than him. Sounds kind of right to me.

Strahan dropped down in size this year after playing at about 275 for most of his career. Oh yeah. He got injured. That sometimes happens to guys who are too small for their position.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Where did Charles Haley go to school?

James Madison.

Different player, different circumstances.

Like I said, you can go to the 4-3 and Ware would probably
do well there too. It just means teams will probably run off tackle more often because of the following

4-3: Ware is outside shoulder of the Tackle
If the team runs at him, he will have to face the Tackle
reach blocking, a pulling guard coming to seal him, or both


....... DE ......NT
......... T G

3-4: Here ware is lined up outside of the LT.
The DE in the 3-4 is playing a 2-gap system, over the tackle.
The tackle isn't essentially heads up with the OLB. There's a buffer

..OLB..DE
..........T G C G T

 

[fortdick]

Strahan dropped down in size this year after playing at about 275 for most of his career. Oh yeah. He got injured. That sometimes happens to guys who are too small for their position.

that's a red herring. Your making things up to support your position. I guess when he tore his pectorial muscle in 2004, he was too small. Strahan spraind a ligament in his foot. It ins't like her just folded over like Theissman. Maybe Ellis was too small for OLB, he got hurt too.

 

[AbeBeta]

that's a red herring. Your making things up to support your position. I guess when he tore his pectorial muscle in 2004, he was too small. Strahan spraind a ligament in his foot. It ins't like her just folded over like Theissman. Maybe Ellis was too small for OLB, he got hurt too.

A red herring? Sure. Just like pointing out the smallest DEs in the league and claiming because they can do it then Ware should be able to as well. Guess what? If 257 lb DEs could get it done in the NFL then there would be a lot more of them.

 

[junk]

Because he'd be playing closer to O-linemen. He gets swallowed up by those guys. Ware needs to be in a D that lets him move around to take advantage of his excellent speed. He was a DE in college - at a small college that plays a weak schedule. He wasn't a DE at a big time college where he went against top (read large) competition.

Ever heard of a guy named Jason Taylor?