What is taking so long with Greg Hardy?

[Doomsday101]

Sure there would, the NFLPA appeals nearly all punishments because that's what they're paid to do - back the players.

I agree with you that it makes no sense to drag it out for the sake of making the process painful, but mostly because his original suspension already says he can practice so whether they give the verdict now or well into preseason, it doesn't change what he's able to do day to day.

We've already taken precautions against his suspension, so really all we want to know is if we'll have him for more regular season games or not, and that's more of a fan question at this point.

Exactly, I seriously doubt it will be 10 games however I think the Cowboys are prepared no matter how many games it is.

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

DV is no more a problem in the NFL than it is on Wall St, Main St or any other workplace.

It is not caused by playing football or related in any way.

Why they think they can solve it nationally by harping on it is beyond me.

It seems that when NFL players are accused of DV the crime is worse because they make a very good living playing a game. It is almost like their profession adds fuel to the fire so to speak.

Why can't the league just make a statement saying they abhor DV and they expect the judicial system to deal with the situation. That the NFL is not the moral compass for the American people and cannot hold its players to a higher standard than the laws of society. If the judicial system allows the accused to be free from incarceration, then the individual in question should be allowed to seek employment with the NFL or elsewhere.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

As most anyone knows, all athletes get rusty at their sport if they haven't done it for a while. You may disagree but you can do it in a more civilized fashion than calling me "full of crap". It's not like I was trying to get you to believe a total BS story... just sharing my opinion, guy.

It's just his style, Morg. He doesn't mean anything."

 

[xwalker]

It seems that when NFL players are accused of DV the crime is worse because they make a very good living playing a game. It is almost like their profession adds fuel to the fire so to speak.

Why can't the league just make a statement saying they abhor DV and they expect the judicial system to deal with the situation. That the NFL is not the moral compass for the American people and cannot hold its players to a higher standard than the laws of society. If the judicial system allows the accused to be free from incarceration, then the individual in question should be allowed to seek employment with the NFL or elsewhere.

It would be much better to just tie all off field punishment to the results from the judicial system. The only issue not covered by the judicial system would be testing for performance enhancing drugs.

 

[JoeKing]

It's just his style, Morg. He doesn't mean anything."

If his way was to kick folks in the nuts, would that be okay too? It's not society's responsibility to adapt to what the individual deems "his way", It is the individual's responsibility to adapt to what society deems acceptable. Words have meaning and whether he intends for them to have meaning or not does not matter to it's intended target. Making excuses for bad behavior is not helping anyone.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Sure there would, the NFLPA appeals nearly all punishments because that's what they're paid to do - back the players.

I agree with you that it makes no sense to drag it out for the sake of making the process painful, but mostly because his original suspension already says he can practice so whether they give the verdict now or well into preseason, it doesn't change what he's able to do day to day.

We've already taken precautions against his suspension, so really all we want to know is if we'll have him for more regular season games or not, and that's more of a fan question at this point.

This reply is out of context, you're responding to something I directed towards Dooms who had stated that the NFL made it painful so that the players wouldn't challenge,,, well, they are going to challenge, especially if you dish out a punishment that greatly exceeds the stated rules.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

It has to do with the time, I'm sorry fans are not getting the answers they want right now, Jones commented on the time frame it is what it is. Also this has nothing to do with the Dallas Cowboys and some deep seeded hatred. Others teams stayed away from Hardy for this reason and now people here want to act as if someone has it out for the Cowboys? Dallas knew what they were getting into that is why the contract was written as it is.

Only reason I bring up Brady is they are doing him no favor he will not even get a hearing on his appeal until June 23 and then he will sit and wait just as well before they announce their decision

We've wandered off topic here,,,

 

[Parcells4Life]

From ESPN:

LATEST ON GREG HARDY'S APPEAL
Adam Schefter: "If [arbitrator] Harold Henderson upholds the [10-game] suspension, as a lot of people believe, then that's just the start of the process and it will end up winding its way through the courts."

 

[guag]

What does that have to do with the precedent and documented punishment for the Hardy violation? Is Brady's punishment out of sink with established parameters? Why is Brady contesting?

You've got to compare apples to apples man,,,

Exactly, and I don't think one can just appeal for the sake of appealing in every situation. I'd imagine the defending party needs to have a solid argument for appeal, and I don't see that happening with Brady IMO. There is no precedent set for his situation (as far as I know), so 4 games and lost draft picks is now the precedent.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If his way was to kick folks in the nuts, would that be okay too? It's not society's responsibility to adapt to what the individual deems "his way", It is the individual's responsibility to adapt to what society deems acceptable. Words have meaning and whether he intends for them to have meaning or not does not matter to it's intended target. Making excuses for bad behavior is not helping anyone.

We talking Roshambo here?!!!!!!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It would be much better to just tie all off field punishment to the results from the judicial system. The only issue not covered by the judicial system would be testing for performance enhancing drugs.

Yeah, but if they did that, then it would not be necessary for Goodell to have John Mara's number on speed dial, labled as NFL Disciplinary Consultant. If you had to change that, probably screw up the entire phone system and then where would the NFL be? Probably one of those ideas that seems really good on the front end but ends up being a FUBAR deal.

;-)

 

[xwalker]

Yeah, but if they did that, then it would not be necessary for Goodell to have John Mara's number on speed dial, labled as NFL Disciplinary Consultant. If you had to change that, probably screw up the entire phone system and then where would the NFL be? Probably one of those ideas that seems really good on the front end but ends up being a FUBAR deal.

;-)

It would also make it hard for Goodell to justify his 44M job.

 

[JoeKing]

We talking Roshambo here?!!!!!!

Nope, just a sneak attack kick in the nads.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nope, just a sneak attack kick in the nads.

Yeah, that's definitely classified as a Roshambo faux pas. No good Brother.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

If his way was to kick folks in the nuts, would that be okay too? It's not society's responsibility to adapt to what the individual deems "his way", It is the individual's responsibility to adapt to what society deems acceptable. Words have meaning and whether he intends for them to have meaning or not does not matter to it's intended target. Making excuses for bad behavior is not helping anyone.

Easy there, mrtxstar. I think you may benefit from the teachings of Mother Teresa. This one may apply:
“If you judge people, you have no time to love them.” -- Mother Teresa

 

[JoeKing]

Easy there, mrtxstar. I think you may benefit from the teachings of Mother Teresa. This one may apply:
“If you judge people, you have no time to love them.” -- Mother Teresa

Who's judging who? Let's get the story straight here... I was told I'm "full of crap". You tell me... was that said with love or judgment?

 

[Corso]

Who's judging who? Let's get the story straight here... I was told I'm "full of crap". You tell me... was that said with love or judgment?

Burma's the ONLY person I've ever considered putting on Ignore because his comments are consistently unnecessary (and he's just as wrong as anybody else on topics, maybe even moreso, but he'll just attack your intelligence like he's someone special).
I don't even disagree with him very much on his stances, but my goodness he's a crappy, mean-spirited poster.

Mods- put me on the bench. I'm not going to take it back. Burma's a pox upon this board.

 

[AbeBeta]

It would be much better to just tie all off field punishment to the results from the judicial system. The only issue not covered by the judicial system would be testing for performance enhancing drugs.

Yes. Certainly. You want to create a tremendous incentive for players to buy their way out of situations like domestic violence (as Hardy did by paying his ex to disappear) or sexual assault. Just pay 'em to not cooperate. Great idea X

 

[DandyDon1722]

Doc Severinsen used to say: If I don't practice for one day I can tell. If I don't practice for two days, my audience can tell.

Rust is real people.

Great freakin' post. As a former trumpet player and somebody who loved Doc the line itself is awesome. By the way - there's a really cool bar on Santa Monica Blvd in West Hollywood called - Dan Tanna's.

 

[AsthmaField]

It seems that when NFL players are accused of DV the crime is worse because they make a very good living playing a game. It is almost like their profession adds fuel to the fire so to speak.

Why can't the league just make a statement saying they abhor DV and they expect the judicial system to deal with the situation. That the NFL is not the moral compass for the American people and cannot hold its players to a higher standard than the laws of society. If the judicial system allows the accused to be free from incarceration, then the individual in question should be allowed to seek employment with the NFL or elsewhere.

Kudos on one of the best screen names on the forum by the way...