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Two things I heard lately that made me think about this - What is the culture and identity of this Cowboys Team?

I’m listening to the Audible book Gridiron Genius by Michael Lombardi where the former 30-year GM and Scout shares his stories working with Belichick, Al Davis, Bill Walsh, and others who created dynasties and winning franchises. In his chapter on Bill Walsh, he spells it out that leadership and culture change from the Head Coach is what matters the most instead of X’s and O’s or personality style. He uses the example of many ex-49ers coaches from George Siefert to Marty Mornhinwig who bombed after their 49ers careers because Owners and GMs wanted the WCO thinking that was the cure and no one gave Walsh the credit for changing the culture of the 49ers franchise. He told some horror stories of how bad the 49ers were in the 1970s, and some of the awful decisions they made, and how people easily forget what type of disaster Walsh inherited.

I’m not old enough to have seen the Landry culture change, but I did see the Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells versions, the two coaches I respect most, and Lombardi is right. It was a culture change more than anything that these men put into the team to make them successful again. They both inherited BAD franchises. And by the way, one of his other stories is being a consultant for the Rams one summer because Art Modell would not release him from his Brown’s contract. He wrote up a recommendation for Head Coach hiring. One section was about who he considered the most promising current assistant coaches and it’s a list of men who would go on to successful head coaching careers such as Andy Reid, Jon Gruden, Nick Saban. All except for one name which was Chan Gailey. But he dismissed it by saying there are many coaches who will fail in the Jerry Jones culture.

The other thing I listened to was the podcast Hangin’ With The Boys with Nate Newton and Jesse Holly. Their single question today was “What is the identity of this team?” Call him the big clown all you want, but Newton knows what makes a winning franchise. His complaint was the Cowboys were talking up a physical defense and a running offense and how they would continue this when Dak came back, but it’s like they almost forgot and Kellen/Dak are once again off to the races throwing the ball over and over. Both of the guys talked about what most of the fans probably feel which is this is a team that is always bogged down by inconsistency. We see them demolish a team like Minnesota and then choke to a Green Bay, or even almost blow it against the Giants who are missing several key starters.

They compare this team to Philly, especially with both teams playing Green Bay, and how Philly is able to shut down when necessary. Philly also has a questionable run defense but unlike our team, have managed to come through and close out the game when needed. Big Nate in particular is adamant that you are not a championship team unless you can do that. They asked if we are a team that other teams fear to play in the tourney and the consensus was no one is afraid. I also saw the same question asked on the ESPN morning show and they had the same opinion. San Francisco and Philadelphia are the picks for everyone, and no one thinks this team has improved enough to not be exposed once again in the playoffs by the 49ers.

So what is our team’s culture and/or identity? It’s hard to say that we are a physical team, a disciplined team or a consistent team. If the Cowboys beat the Eagles and Titans I may believe they are turning a corner that has stopped them for a long time now, but I’m still not sure I trust this team to go further than one round. I also agree with Lombardi’s take that the “Jerry Jones Culture” may doom us forever. Hollywood, overrate, media pandering, undermining, annointed coordinators, and the player’s buddy, not boss.
 
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Don't need a dissertation. Run the ball.

One of Lombardi’s other key points on great Head Coaches is no matter how complex the issue, they knew how to communicate it to the players. I think I failed that one here.

But he did have a great piece on how each legendary coach had a specific style - Parcells and his off-beat metaphors, Belichick and his video replays on what happens if you choose to ignore what we’re telling you - but same message, and always command the rooms.
 

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We’ll find out our identity in December and January.
 

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Two things I heard lately that made me think about this - What is the culture and identity of this Cowboys Team?































































I’m listening to the Audible book Gridiron Genius by Michael Lombardi where the former 30-year GM and Scout shares his stories working with Belichick, Al Davis, Bill Walsh, and others who created dynasties and winning franchises. In his chapter on Bill Walsh, he spells it out that leadership and culture change from the Head Coach is what matters the most instead of X’s and O’s or personality style. He uses the example of many ex-49ers coaches from George Siefert to Marty Mornhinwig who bombed after their 49ers careers because Owners and GMs wanted the WCO thinking that was the cure and no one gave Walsh the credit for changing the culture of the 49ers franchise. He told some horror stories of how bad the 49ers were in the 1970s, and some of the awful decisions they made, and how people easily forget what type of disaster Walsh inherited.































































I’m not old enough to have seen the Landry culture change, but I did see the Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells versions, the two coaches I respect most, and Lombardi is right. It was a culture change more than anything that these men put into the team to make them successful again. They both inherited BAD franchises. And by the way, one of his other stories is being a consultant for the Rams one summer because Art Modell would not release him from his Brown’s contract. He wrote up a recommendation for Head Coach hiring. One section was about who he considered the most promising current assistant coaches and it’s a list of men who would go on to successful head coaching careers such as Andy Reid, Jon Gruden, Nick Saban. All except for one name which was Chan Gailey. But he dismissed it by saying there are many coaches who will fail in the Jerry Jones culture.































































The other thing I listened to was the podcast Hangin’ With The Boys with Nate Newton and Jesse Holly. Their single question today was “What is the identity of this team?” Call him the big clown all you want, but Newton knows what makes a winning franchise. His complaint was the Cowboys were talking up a physical defense and a running offense and how they would continue this when Dak came back, but it’s like they almost forgot and Kellen/Dak are once again off to the races throwing the ball over and over. Both of the guys talked about what most of the fans probably feel which is this is a team that is always bogged down by inconsistency. We see them demolish a team like Minnesota and then choke to a Green Bay, or even almost blow it against the Giants who are missing several key starters.































































They compare this team to Philly, especially with both teams playing Green Bay, and how Philly is able to shut down when necessary. Philly also has a questionable run defense but unlike our team, have managed to come through and close out the game when needed. Big Nate in particular is adamant that you are not a championship team unless you can do that. They asked if we are a team that other teams fear to play in the tourney and the consensus was no one is afraid. I also saw the same question asked on the ESPN morning show and they had the same opinion. San Francisco and Philadelphia are the picks for everyone, and no one thinks this team has improved enough to not be exposed once again in the playoffs by the 49ers.































































So what is our team’s culture and/or identity? It’s hard to say that we are a physical team, a disciplined team or a consistent team. If the Cowboys beat the Eagles and Titans I may believe they are turning a corner that has stopped them for a long time now, but IHo’m still not sure I trust this team to go further than one round. I also agree with Lombardi’s take that the “Jerry Jones Culture” may doom us forever. Hollywood, overrate, media pandering, undermining, annointed coordinators, and the payer’s buddy, not boss.
I am of the opinion that as long as Jerry is leading this team and setting the tone and not a strong head coach, it will be difficult for this team to have post season success.
 

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When Dallas can establish the run, they have some of their best teams. 2014 and 2016, they dominated with the run game and the QBs fed off this. These were Romo's and Dak's best years. 2007 for Romo as well with Barber/Jones. Asking these guys to throw 40 plus times a game is not a recipe for success.
 

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Holy wall of words, Batman. Run the ball, control the clock.

That might be what you want the identity to be but it’s not what we do. At no stage this season have we controlled the clock and dominated time in possession.

IMO our offensive identity is all about creating imbalances. It seems like we’re always doing something whether it’s flexing out the RB, using multiple TE’s, play action, option reads or some other mechanism. Everything seems to be about finding a clever wrinkle that pushes/pulls on the defense to get a reliable look. This is in stark contrast to Garrett who never got cute, there was a few simple choices, you new what was coming (Witten Y-Option, Dez back shoulder, Murray/Zeke between the tackles, Beasley pivot/whip route), he’d just try and out execute.

Anyway, once we get a look we like we don’t let go of it. Instead we play no huddle/hurry up offense trying to extract maximum value.
 

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I like to read, to think and explore. Appreciate when some here dives deeper than, "Kik doz udder guyz teeth in!"

Really applaud V-TD for an outstanding post and I hope to add some thoughts when I'm not so near bed. Awesome stuff!

Lighten up Francis.

No, Proof is right. If a thread involves more thinking than you care to invest, requiring reading a few paragraphs...know when to walk away. I'll echo his sentiment: Don't be a jerk.
 
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That might be what you want the identity to be but it’s not what we do. At no stage this season have we controlled the clock and dominated time in possession.

IMO our offensive identity is all about creating imbalances. It seems like we’re always doing something whether it’s flexing out the RB, using multiple TE’s, play action, option reads or some other mechanism. Everything seems to be about finding a clever wrinkle that pushes/pulls on the defense to get a reliable look. This is in stark contrast to Garrett who never got cute, there was a few simple choices, you new what was coming (Witten Y-Option, Dez back shoulder, Murray/Zeke between the tackles, Beasley pivot/whip route), he’d just try and out execute.

Anyway, once we get a look we like we don’t let go of it. Instead we play no huddle/hurry up offense trying to extract maximum value.

Spot on. :flagwave: And again, more fodder for discussion as this thread evolves.

I laugh when posters here suggest Kellen Moore is Garrett 2.0. They are in many ways polar opposites.
 

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Appreciate the backup fellas, but I'm a big boy, I can handle GMO's comment. It's the reality. Long posts ain't going to win over everyone.

But going back to this team -- and seen it in so many posts - the culture that Jerry has installed in this team since Jimmy left may be the biggest reason for their failures to win it all.

It has improved for sure, and there are times when it looks like we may have overcome it, including this year, but that culture I mention in the OP starts with the Owner because of his decision to be so hands on.

And as far as the identity of the team, I agree with the former players, I don't think we have one yet. That's what felt different though during the Rush games, even though Dak was an obviously far superior QB. Fans and the Team picked up on that. We knew what we were. Nothing complex, and it worked, except for the Eagles. Just a better team with that identity and in the team's defense, probably why they are going back to passing with a better QB, and recruiting OBJ Jr. Because that identity revealed it will make for a good season but probably won't overcome Playoff-caliber teams.

The identity of this team is that Pollard and the TE Group are the playmakers and Kellen needs to gameplan more for this, and needs a better trust and feel for the run game. The identity of this team is that if we are going to have a high scoring offense, Dak must be more consistent on his decisions, and Lamb needs to continue with the recent progress and prove he is a true #1. And the identity of this team is that we have one hell of a lethal pass rush, but it does not feel like the Head Coach on down realize or play to this, even though they state they do in the press conference. Ball control, smashmouth ball, let the QB benefit from it, and give your defense time to rest. The kicker is money this year, it's okay to settle for a FG, you have a defense that can bail you out, but you have to put points on the board quicky because this defense cannot play from behind.
 
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It is pretty clear what the majority of the board WANTS our identity to be. We want it to be a power run team that controls the game, builds a lead then finishes with an aggressive attacking defense. We have shown brief flashes of this over the years (2016 the obvious best example) but it has never been sustained. It is also pretty clear why that is. To know the teams identity look no further than the man in charge. We are led by an 80 year old drunken clown who loves the following:

1. Attention.
2. Taking "Risks".
3. Wide Receivers.
4. Nepotism.
5. Special treatment for the "stars".
6. Vacations on a yacht.
7. Changing his mind.

Personally I would prefer a team that embodied the following ideals:

1. Quietly taking care of business.
2. Minimizing risk.
3. Roster depth.
4. Best person for the job.
5. Everyone is held accountable.
6. Strong work ethic.
7. Consistency in decision making.

I believe the second list would result in a team that was overall less "valuable". It would result in an Owner that tended less on twitter. It would result in a team that got less media attention. It would result in more wins.
 
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