What is the tangible problem Jerry causes this team?

[CouchCoach]

I have a feeling anyone needing more tangible evidence of Jerry being the problem isn't going to be satisfied until the last 23 NFCCG trophies fall from the sky and land on their head .

When looking for a clue as to what went wrong, first check the constants.

 

[erod]

There’s been a lot of talk the last few days of how Jerry is interfering in how Jason wants to run the team. He says things on the radio. Well of course he does. It’s part of the teams contract with the radio station.

What does anything Jerry say have to do with Jaylon missing tackles in the open field or Maher missing kicks?

Jerry hasn’t been any different his whole career. Yet supposedly, magically when the team went on the run last year he stopped interfering?

Or when they went 13-3 in 2016 with the Romo issue which had to kill him personally he was silent but yet caused destruction in the playoff game vs GB?

Please. Talking heads are trying to find sophisticated reasons beyond rehashing the same stuff. Yes I know it came from Troy which means it probably came from Garrett. But if you’re in the NFL you’re paid to do your job.

Now if Jason wanted to cut Maher and Jerry said no then ok that’s a TANGIBLE problem. Or if he’s dictating Zeke get 25 carries a game no matter what. But there has NEVER been concrete proof he’s ever done anything to demand play calls.

The team has just been cursed by not focusing on details on every snap going back to Romos dropped hold vs Seattle. That’s a coaching and player issue not owner/GM issue because these things seem to pop up at the weirdest times like Zekes fumble vs NO. It’s not like he’s keeping guys that have a track record of this aside from Maher. That’s just because there’s no better options available.

He cuts the authority out from under his coaches, so players just emulate their real boss. Jerry.

He contradicts everything his coaches say.

 

[CPanther95]

When looking for a clue as to what went wrong, first check the constants.

 

[CPanther95]

Another Jerry poster ...

 

[LucaBrasi]

@iowast8rs - this guy nailed it yesterday.

there are FOOTBALL organizations, the Cowboys are an ENTERTAINMENT organization.

That's it. that's all you need to know. Jerry's culture permeates everything. Find the ONE CONSTANT in the last 24 years. Changing the Head Coach will deodorize the stench for a bit, but they can't cure the stink

 

[Boom]

• 2006- Jerry imposed TO on to the team without Parcells approval. Big Bill felt TO would be a locker room and discipline problem.

Jerry dipped his toe into troubled waters with TO and it paid off, so he decided to dive in with Pacman Jones and Tank Johnson. If you have to assign a team official to follow someone and prevent them from doing something stupid, you are playing risky poker with your team.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

There’s been a lot of talk the last few days of how Jerry is interfering in how Jason wants to run the team. He says things on the radio. Well of course he does. It’s part of the teams contract with the radio station.

What does anything Jerry say have to do with Jaylon missing tackles in the open field or Maher missing kicks?

Jerry hasn’t been any different his whole career. Yet supposedly, magically when the team went on the run last year he stopped interfering?

Or when they went 13-3 in 2016 with the Romo issue which had to kill him personally he was silent but yet caused destruction in the playoff game vs GB?

Please. Talking heads are trying to find sophisticated reasons beyond rehashing the same stuff. Yes I know it came from Troy which means it probably came from Garrett. But if you’re in the NFL you’re paid to do your job.

Now if Jason wanted to cut Maher and Jerry said no then ok that’s a TANGIBLE problem. Or if he’s dictating Zeke get 25 carries a game no matter what. But there has NEVER been concrete proof he’s ever done anything to demand play calls.

The team has just been cursed by not focusing on details on every snap going back to Romos dropped hold vs Seattle. That’s a coaching and player issue not owner/GM issue because these things seem to pop up at the weirdest times like Zekes fumble vs NO. It’s not like he’s keeping guys that have a track record of this aside from Maher. That’s just because there’s no better options available.

Good points, but I believe Jerry has grown some as an owner/GM. He started drafting better and refrained from making foolish trades. He was smart enough not to draft Manziel. He drafted to build a strong O-line, which worked for a while especially in 2014 and 2016 when we could dominate the clock. Those changes gave me some hope, but it turned out to be fools gold hope. Jerry's foolish ways always seem to come back. I believe he had such a great business career that he thinks he's a genius in everything. He's clearly capable of learning and getting better, but he's not anywhere close to being a football genius. It's clear to all of us that he would be better off with the best possible football GM he can find and letting that guy pick the coach. It's just not clear to Jerry because of his tunnel vision.

 

[Boom]

"If you can't spot the sucker in your last quarter-century at the table, then you are the sucker."

 

[Parcells4Life]

If Jerry was a big problem with the team not having success, why would Will McClay turn down a GM offer from his HOMETOWN?

You only do that if you believe you can build a winner where you are.

We’ll see what Jerry does with the assistant coaches this next cycle. Does he pin Richard and Marinelli on someone who has no ties to them? If so then yes, this team has no chance.

 

[Runwildboys]

I agree with you. Creating mass conspiracies are more fun than to just say that Garrett or the players themselves are underperforming.

I think Jerry’s main problem is that he’s enabled and encouraged this culture of accepting mediocrity. He always says he wants to win, but his actions contradict that. He’d have done away with Garrett 5 years ago and he’d have quit meddling and hired a real GM and real coach if he truly wanted to win.

Other than that, the lack of attention to detail and daily football struggles fall directly onto Garrett, coaches and players.

I think it's more about what Jerry doesn't do, than what he does do. He doesn't hold anyone accountable.

 

[Risen Star]

I find it comical that a guy who uses Parcells in his name here is asking this question.

 

[Jake]

I agree with you. Creating mass conspiracies are more fun than to just say that Garrett or the players themselves are underperforming.

I think Jerry’s main problem is that he’s enabled and encouraged this culture of accepting mediocrity. He always says he wants to win, but his actions contradict that. He’d have done away with Garrett 5 years ago and he’d have quit meddling and hired a real GM and real coach if he truly wanted to win.

Other than that, the lack of attention to detail and daily football struggles fall directly onto Garrett, coaches and players.

There's no conspiracy, just observations. So you've excused Jerry for 2009 until today, but who is (are) the scapegoat (scapegoats) for the 13 years prior to 2009?

Jerry's management style creates a lack of accountability from the top down, gives players little to no reason to care what coaches think of them, and hasn't worked for over two decades despite several coaching changes.

But yeah, it's just "mass conspiracies" to hide the real problem.

 

[Parcells4Life]

There's no conspiracy, just observations. So you've excused Jerry for 2009 until today, but who is (are) the scapegoat (scapegoats) for the 13 years prior to 2009?

Jerry's management style creates a lack of accountability from the top down, gives players little to no reason to care what coaches think of them, and hasn't worked for over two decades despite several coaching changes.

But yeah, it's just "mass conspiracies" to hide the real problem.

1997-2000 Jerry’s ego got in the way.

2000-2003 Team was in cap hell for Aikman and Irvin retiring. Also didn’t draft well.

2003-06 Parcells cleaned it up

2006-10 Wade let the all star team Parcells put together police itself. Didn’t end well.

2010-19 Team has been built well but when they’re most talented they take things for granted and assume it’s going to be handed to them. When they’re counted out they focus more like 2016 and 2018

 

[CPanther95]

1997-2000 Jerry’s ego got in the way.

2000-2003 Team was in cap hell for Aikman and Irvin retiring. Also didn’t draft well.

2003-06 Parcells cleaned it up

2006-10 Wade let the all star team Parcells put together police itself. Didn’t end well.

2010-19 Team has been built well but when they’re most talented they take things for granted and assume it’s going to be handed to them. When they’re counted out they focus more like 2016 and 2018

Wade didn't let them police themselves. Wade was prohibited from disciplining them.

I'll give you one guess by whom.

 

[Plankton]

If Jerry was a big problem with the team not having success, why would Will McClay turn down a GM offer from his HOMETOWN?

You only do that if you believe you can build a winner where you are.

We’ll see what Jerry does with the assistant coaches this next cycle. Does he pin Richard and Marinelli on someone who has no ties to them? If so then yes, this team has no chance.

Dude, Will McClay has the greatest job in mankind.

If the Cowboys draft well, and manage personnel well, he gets all of the credit.

If they don't draft well, people pillory Jerry Jones.

Why would you leave a job like that when you're well compensated? If he wants to be the front man for the operation, there's accountability that goes with it. In Dallas, he gets the best of both worlds.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There’s been a lot of talk the last few days of how Jerry is interfering in how Jason wants to run the team. He says things on the radio. Well of course he does. It’s part of the teams contract with the radio station.

What does anything Jerry say have to do with Jaylon missing tackles in the open field or Maher missing kicks?

Jerry hasn’t been any different his whole career. Yet supposedly, magically when the team went on the run last year he stopped interfering?

Or when they went 13-3 in 2016 with the Romo issue which had to kill him personally he was silent but yet caused destruction in the playoff game vs GB?

Please. Talking heads are trying to find sophisticated reasons beyond rehashing the same stuff. Yes I know it came from Troy which means it probably came from Garrett. But if you’re in the NFL you’re paid to do your job.

Now if Jason wanted to cut Maher and Jerry said no then ok that’s a TANGIBLE problem. Or if he’s dictating Zeke get 25 carries a game no matter what. But there has NEVER been concrete proof he’s ever done anything to demand play calls.

The team has just been cursed by not focusing on details on every snap going back to Romos dropped hold vs Seattle. That’s a coaching and player issue not owner/GM issue because these things seem to pop up at the weirdest times like Zekes fumble vs NO. It’s not like he’s keeping guys that have a track record of this aside from Maher. That’s just because there’s no better options available.

its about focus, its about football and in Jerryland its not all about football and that start with him. he makes business decisions that impact the football team. he continues meddles with his coaches and the way a football team operates.

lets talk about your favorite coach...Garrett (not)….he forced garrett on Wade. that's not the way it should work. a coach should be able to pick his staff the way he wants (barring salary demands, etc. that fall on the GM and owner)….but when Jerry hired the OC before he hired his head coach, that's messed up. that screws up lines of authority and accountability.

he has done the same with Garrett....forcing him to give up play calling and hire an OC and forcing Callahan to be the OC....now, jerry maybe right that garrett as a HC/OC wasn't a good idea, but let the coach decide and do and if he fails at it, then fire his arse…. but he forced Callahan on Garrett and garrett was never on board and it didn't work out.....same when garrett wanted to let Linehan go, but Jerry pushed to keep him and it didn't work out and same when Moore was promoted (basically because garrett being in the last year of his contract, no other OC or coach would have taken the job) and then Jerry proceeding to say if Moore is not in full control then he can just come to me... that's messing up the lines of authority.

Jerry has also done that with players, being pushed on coaches...like TO, Hardy, Roy Williams...….. none of which worked out.

Jerry wanting credit and his ego getting in the way, letting Johnson walk away when we could have had a 3rd superbowl in a row, instead he hired Switzer and forced the entire coaching staff on Switzer...so Switzer being nothing but a figure head...

Players (employees) in the company sense that, the lines of authority are muddled.....thus accountability is muddled.....then focus is not on football, its on business and marketing....a lot of Jerry's decision are financially based.....like Keeping Dak as the starter as a rookie when Romo was ready and wanted to take the job back and even asked for a competition....Dak was hot, selling tickets, jersey's and he (along with garrett) made the decision to keep Dak a starter...… there has never been a rookie QB that has made it to the superbowl…….

do you think Bob Kraft goes to bilicheck and tells him hire this coach or that coach? do you think any other organization forces that? do you think any organization tells the players come to me when you have issues

as a result, this team is not focused just on football, there is drama, too much drama in the building and that effects the team, how they play, how they prepare, and the results shows up on the field.

its been the same problem for 25 years plus....Aikman is calling it out....

there isn't another NFL team that probably has this level of drama starting from the very top......

the more the drama....the less the success

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry meddling and Garrett being a horrid coach are not mutually exclusive events, they both are true.

I mean, how is it Jerry's fault that after 10 years on the job Garrett still cant manage the clock, use timeouts, make challenges, and botch situational football? How exactly is Garrett being a complete dumpster fire on game day Jerry's fault?

isn't garrett a jerry hire? actually hired before he had hired his head coach...so why is it garrett's fault but Jerry getting a pass? this is the mess jerry has created.....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wade didn't let them police themselves. Wade was prohibited from disciplining them.

I'll give you one guess by whom.

just like when injury happened in pre-season Jerry forced wade to stop tackling in practice to avoid injuries....thus camp cup cake

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's not necessarily that but the players get perks (endorsement, fame, notoriety and adulation) that players on other teams have to win super bowls to obtain. I remember a couple of years ago pretty much every starter had a radio show and even the nickel cb had a radio show, where else does that happen? I bet in the Dallas viewing area these players are on every other local commercial spot there is, selling cars pizzas, tvs and everything else. It's now that just being a Dallas Cowboys is enough to make them feel like they've made it, what's winning going to change?

It reminds me of the UT Longhorns, Austin is a big city but doesn't have a pro team so UT is the closest thing to it, when the player go out on the town they are treated like celebrities because in Austin they are. If you play well for them then you'll probably be able to write your own check after your playing career is over. They like the Cowboys are a soft team because things are given to them that others have to work hard and have accomplishments to get and when they (Cowboys and Longhorns) go up against one of those teams they usually don't fare well.

you know what that indicates? the corporate culture...Jerry is about marketing and making money and I have always made the argument that his business side over rules his GM football side and he makes business decisions that are often short term.....he sells hope, flash to put butts in seats, sell jersey's....as a result that culture, that mindset is throughout the organization and as you outlined, the players are doing the same thing instead of spending time studying film, doing extra work, they are marketing and doing radio shows.....

the fact is that the sole focus of the cowboys is not winnign superbowls, although its said in words...the actions say otherwise....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Tangible? How about calling out his coaching staff in NE and letting the play on the field by the players catch a break. Did Garrett fumble and throw a pick to give NE an easy 10 points?

Tangible? How about hiring the most outspoken and critical of coaching player in the league and when the HC tries to manage him as a member of the team, he intercedes and takes him to breakfast once a week. With this team, which was he empowering, the HC or that player?

Tangible? Watch that All or Nothing episode where he issues the warning to the coaches "Elliott gets a pass, he's been through a lot". Want more tangible evidence than that, check out the coaches' faces.

But the best tangible evidence is that he is such an attention ***** that takes precedence over his team. He will shine the light on another only as long as it reflects back on him brighter.

The bottom line is that he has sent the message to the players and all of the coaching staff. You might play for the HC but you work for me.