What I've noticed about Miles Austin

[NextGenBoys]

wow... did they let you guys graduate high school with logic like that?

austin doesn't catch many passes period. 19 ypc is pointless when you catch 1 pass a game.

He had a great game versus green bay. The kind of game good WRs have much more than once every 4 years but that's STILL a 2 catch football game. lol.

Outside that 1 game he had just over 150 yards receiving all year.

Not only that, but he made 3 plays all year. The two catches in GB, and the big 3rd down at Wash.

I'm not a hater, (although I am rooting for Hurd) but I think Austin has gotten overhyped simply because of measureables. He's not bad, just overhyped IMO

Just like not all small players are too small, not every measureable wonder makes you a good football player.

 

[theogt]

wake me up when he puts up stats that matter and show up here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AustMi00.htm

Are you really calling for stats, while pimping Ogletree?

I like the guy. I pointed out very early on in training camp that he looked really good. But he's never produced anywhere. Not in college, not in the NFL.

So, at least be consistent.

 

[21Savage]

hahahahahahahahahahaha...
can i show you all the barbie carpenter and dwayne goodrich coaches quotes now?

please stop posting comic relief.

austin's past?? dude did you really post stuff from monmouth as proof of something?

wake me up when he puts up stats that matter and show up here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AustMi00.htm

Maybe you should wake us up when Ogletree/Amendola lite does the same thing. Your argument is ridiculous.

We have no commitment to him? Yet all indications were that we were fully going to match any offer given to him?

TO wasn't a great route runner, yet he produced. When you're 6'3, 218 lbs, with sub 4.47 speed and a 40 inch vertical, you don't need to run the most crispy routes to be able to produce in this game.

We're not counting on him to be all world. We just need production out of him and some big plays down the field (be they of the pass interference form or not) throughout the season. Why you'd have a problem with that and the player, I have no idea.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

exactly.

whoever thinks he runs good routes has no clue what good routes are.

they must not have heard him get called out last night by Babe for running with poor weight distribution making his cuts awkward.

passes routinely being sailed over one's head means that either the qb is awful or the player can't run routes. as fast as austin is straight ahead he is horridly slow in and out of breaks.

he does run nice crossing routes because that requires no real break just speed.

wr speed is about balance and agility, austin has track speed.

austin should have a package of plays but he isn't a starter in the nfl by far.

Lastnight Miles had a decent game with 3 catches for 44 yards but lets look at it a little closer. When San fran top corner Nate Clements was on Miles bump and run he basically shut him down, he got most of his yardage on the often abused Dre Bly. His route running had much to be desired as well.

Now when Nate Clements took Ogletree straight up he had 2 catches for 36 yards. His route running were more precised and he got in and out of his cuts very quickly, thats why he was open.

Now I am in no way saying the Ogltree is better than Miles however at this stage in his career he already seems like a better route runner.

 

[UnoDallas]

wow... did they let you guys graduate high school with logic like that?

austin doesn't catch many passes period. 19 ypc is pointless when you catch 1 pass a game.

He had a great game versus green bay. The kind of game good WRs have much more than once every 4 years but that's STILL a 2 catch football game. lol.

Outside that 1 game he had just over 150 yards receiving all year.

wow dude your not thinking straight are you still in high school or you get a GED-

who was Dallases number one reciever Terrell Owens in 07 -08

how many chances do a guy get to even catch a ball with him around

just saying he has never had a chance to show anything

 

[21Savage]

Not only that, but he made 3 plays all year. The two catches in GB, and the big 3rd down at Wash.

I'm not a hater, (although I am rooting for Hurd) but I think Austin has gotten overhyped simply because of measureables. He's not bad, just overhyped IMO

Just like not all small players are too small, not every measureable wonder makes you a good football player.

And how many big plays did Hurd have in 07 as the 3rd WR on the team? One play comes to mind: slant route against Giants in first game of season. Does that mean he can't produce more if called upon this year?

There was a stretch last season prior to his 2nd injury when he was really coming on and had 3 TDs in 4 games. In that same stretch, which included the Arizona game, he was getting worked into the offense more and basically took half of the 2 WR snaps from Crayton in that game.

You talking about 3 plays all year would be suggesting that he wasn't injured and played all 16 games. And also was in significant in the priority sequence in those games. That's certainly not the case.

 

[theogt]

wow dude your not thinking straight are you still in high school or you get a GED-

who was Dallases number one reciever Terrell Owens in 07 -08

how many chances do a guy get to even catch a ball with him around

just saying he has never had a chance to show anything

This is the jterrell MO. Have an opinion. Keep it and defend it to an almost maniacal degree.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

Maybe you should wake us up when Ogletree/Amendola lite does the same thing. Your argument is ridiculous.

Actually yours is. Noone has come in the Cowboys camp as a WR and produce in practice as well as games like this kid Ogletree has as a rookie in god knows how long. So the hype is warranted. When was the lasttime you saw our starting QB gushing about one of the rookie wideouts.

We have no commitment to him? Yet all indications were that we were fully going to match any offer given to him?

TO wasn't a great route runner, yet he produced. When you're 6'3, 218 lbs, with sub 4.47 speed and a 40 inch vertical, you don't need to run the most crispy routes to be able to produce in this game.
Talk about ridiculous. You compare him to TO because of his size alone, nothing else would have you make that comparison. There are a lot of guys in this league who have great measurables but come Sunday there are mediocre. Lets not forget Miles doesn't have the best hands.

We're not counting on him to be all world. We just need production out of him and some big plays down the field (be they of the pass interference form or not) throughout the season. Why you'd have a problem with that and the player, I have no idea.

Look I am a Miles fan but Jterrell and these guys have valid points.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Is it just me or does he note sell his moves (cuts) very well? I think that is Witten's best trait, but when I watch Austin run his routes, I would sware it was a red shirt high school receiver doing it.

I would sware that too, Yosemite Sam!:laugh2:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

wow... did they let you guys graduate high school with logic like that?

austin doesn't catch many passes period. 19 ypc is pointless when you catch 1 pass a game.

He had a great game versus green bay. The kind of game good WRs have much more than once every 4 years but that's STILL a 2 catch football game. lol.

Outside that 1 game he had just over 150 yards receiving all year.

Don't ever try to use stats because you have no idea how to use them. In layman's terms this is called cherry picking and shows absolutely nothing.

 

[21Savage]

Look I am a Miles fan but Jterrell and these guys have valid points.

How's my argument ridiculous? He's pimping a guy who hasn't produced in the NFL yet while at the same time saying we should let him know when Miles produces NFL relevant stats (although he has already). He's speaking out of both sides of his mouth. I love Ogletree too and hope he turns out to be special. But my points were in favor of Miles and not derogatory towards Ogletree.

I compare him to TO only in terms of size? Then you come back and say Miles doesn't have the best of hands. He likely has better hands than TO did.

I compared them not just in size but in athletic ability (ie big guys who have that kind of athletic ability). I thought I had stated that clearly enough in my post but who knows. TO wasn't a good route runner either but still produced. Mind you, I'm not saying Miles is a terrible route runner or cannot improve on that either. I'm just saying that if this is what he is, he can still produce in the league. And he is getting open the way it is right now.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nate Clements may be better than Bly but 1) Bly is very good and 2) he didn't prevent Austin from getting off the line.

Its hilarious, Austin loses his footing, Babe talks about it and all of a sudden Austin sucks. Ogletree makes a catch on an out route and they show him chopping his feet and now hes the second coming.

We don't know the playcalling, you cannot see what is happening downfield on the TV telecast because they focus on the QB and yet the stanley tool reps think they can make comments on route running as a whole. Its pretty sad.

Austin's issues have been injuries. This claim of getting off the line or incapability to get separation have never been an issue. Its that he cannot stay healthy.

Quite frankly this whole thing is stupid on two levels 1) just on plain merits, the evidence presented is based on two comments from a telecast and 2) the motive behind them is some idiotic sense of dualism.

Here is a hint to the Ogletree pimp squad: bashing Austin won't make Ogletree one iota better. I like Ogletree and his potential quite a bit but I won't bash another to pimp my pet cat.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Look I am a Miles fan but Jterrell and these guys have valid points.

Its more like they make up drivel based on a single telecast.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

rofl....

ogletree is an undrafted rookie yet he makes more plays than austin.
that is why he has fans.

austin isn't a young pup... he has actual mechanical issues with his route-running that limit him same a guy with 4.7 speed would be limited.

he can only run routes that doe not require breaks and his hands are at best mediocre.

he is a solid special teamer and a 10 play per game guy but it really is a shame we didn't get a 2nd round pick for him out of the jets.

You are full of crap. Ive seen him run posts, ins, outs, slants, comebacks etc. That is in addition to the flys, skinny spots and fades that you would have us think that he can only run.

Lastnight Miles had a decent game with 3 catches for 44 yards but lets look at it a little closer. When San fran top corner Nate Clements was on Miles bump and run he basically shut him down, he got most of his yardage on the often abused Dre Bly. His route running had much to be desired as well.

Now when Nate Clements took Ogletree straight up he had 2 catches for 36 yards. His route running were more precised and he got in and out of his cuts very quickly, thats why he was open.

Now I am in no way saying the Ogltree is better than Miles however at this stage in his career he already seems like a better route runner.

Another load of crap. Austin played flanker the whole time because Ogletree only knows SE which he played the entire time. Crayton made Clements look bad as well.

They weren't flipping corners.

exactly.

whoever thinks he runs good routes has no clue what good routes are.

they must not have heard him get called out last night by Babe for running with poor weight distribution making his cuts awkward.

passes routinely being sailed over one's head means that either the qb is awful or the player can't run routes. as fast as austin is straight ahead he is horridly slow in and out of breaks.

he does run nice crossing routes because that requires no real break just speed.

wr speed is about balance and agility, austin has track speed.

austin should have a package of plays but he isn't a starter in the nfl by far.

Babe said that about the one particular play and not on his overall game. You guys certainly like to make crap up.

 

[thechosen1n2]

my thoughts....ANNOINTED TOO QUICKLY!!

 

[starfrombirth]

exactly.

whoever thinks he runs good routes has no clue what good routes are.

they must not have heard him get called out last night by Babe for running with poor weight distribution making his cuts awkward.

passes routinely being sailed over one's head means that either the qb is awful or the player can't run routes. as fast as austin is straight ahead he is horridly slow in and out of breaks.

he does run nice crossing routes because that requires no real break just speed.

wr speed is about balance and agility, austin has track speed.

austin should have a package of plays but he isn't a starter in the nfl by far.

And Babe is an expert because he excelled so much as a qb? Everyone on the team is very excited about him and if you actually watch him in the games, he is open the majority of the time. I see that with t.v. cameras let alone actually being at the game so it makes me wonder what your watching or if you might have a pet cat that you want to see succeed over Austin. Good luck with that.

 

[BAT]

more ROFL....

calm down it will be ok.

Austin outperformed who, when exactly?
He had 13 total catches man, you really all worked up over that?

I actually played WR and understand the basics of route-running. It is not complicated at all. Austin just doesn't do it well. A lot of very fast guys do not do it well.

I never said Austin was a waste of a roster spot. I said he isn't a starter in this league. And he isn't. He didn't just not beat out Crayton, he has been outplayed by Hurd and Ogletree.

The Cowboys offensive options are: barber, jones, witten, rw11, crayton, martyb all well before austin....

hurd, choice and ogletree are right there with him if not also ahead of him.

so i'll not get that crow warmed up just yet....

I see now where this is coming from. You want to play expert. :laugh2: Because you played WR in peewee football.

Your precociousness is cute and your ego knows no bounds, but I think I will take the words/expertise/knowledge of Ray Sherman, Jason Garrett, Tony Romo, even Jerry Jones over yours. I like my chances that they know just a tad more than you.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Is it just me or does he note sell his moves (cuts) very well? I think that is Witten's best trait, but when I watch Austin run his routes, I would sware it was a red shirt high school receiver doing it.

What makes it worse is Garrett loves the double moves so he has to do it twice and fails both times. :bang2:

I think he should work with Witten to improve this. Sherman doesn't seem to be helping him with it.

he has is not very fluid. seems a bit stiff and runs upright. I like him. I think he has a role. I think he can run certain routes. I think his deep speed is good for us and we will take advantage. but long long term. ogltree may have a better career than austin. I think Hurd and Crayton are going to surprise a few people. however, with all that said I am not dissing Austin, we as a team are probably betting that my 3rd and 4th guy are better than your 3rd and 4th guy and that's not far fetched from reality .

 

[rkell87]

I see now where this is coming from. You want to play expert. :laugh2: Because you played WR in peewee football.

Your precociousness is cute and your ego knows no bounds, but I think I will take the words/expertise/knowledge of Ray Sherman, Jason Garrett, Tony Romo, even Jerry Jones over yours. I like my chances that they know just a tad more than you.

ok i'll bite i played WR as well does it qualify me an expert? no. does it make me more knowledgeable than most who haven't played the position? i believe so. you can argue coaches word and what not but that means your taking their fluffed up assessment instead of observing austin for yourself and coming to your own conclusion on the preciseness of his route running. and thats fine if you really have no knowledge about it to take expert opinion, but that really means you have no voice on the matter and don't really have anything to add on the subject.

now for those of us that know a thing or two about route running it is obvious that austin has maybe 3-4 routes he runs well that isn't a fly. the rest of his routes are just not that sharp, thats ok though because like everybody, he has strengths that he can make up for his routes...like accelerating after the catch to get separation. thats just one example he has other strengths as well but route running, isn't one of them.

 

[Clove]

That hitch comeback route he ran last night was awful. If he ran that route properly with his speed he should've had nice seperation

Yeah, NYC is right. You can be slow, but if you come out of your breaks quickly, even the Witten's and Crayton's of the world can be wide opened, or be opened enough for the QB to find them right away.

If you watched Irvin, coming out of his breaks were a thing of beauty.

A lot of speed people tend to rely on that exclusively, and running go/crossing routes, you know the easy stuff. But if you're a 1 or 2 trick pony, then corners will sit on your stuff. Austin does need to get better at that, having said that, he still gets opened, but we'll see when Defenses start game planning him.