What I've noticed about Miles Austin

[TwoDeep3]

I truly don't believe this discussion is about the player. It is about the egos that go along with fans who want to be thought of as knowing the game.

I read how Austin had all those touchdowns in those games.

I also can read other stats. I also can see the same Miles Austin that had a Hall of Fame run early in the season had a three game stretch in December where he caught one pass for 23-yards.

Oh yeah, he was coming back from injury.

All I have ever said is I want this kid to succeed.

But he has to show me. He has to consistently get open against top flight competition. He has to catch the deep ball and force teams to account for him.

That answer will not come in August or September when the games don't mean jack-squat.

That comes when both teams are playing to win. When the outcome of the game counts against your record for the season.

All we can ask of him is to give his best effort and let the chips fall where they may.

I am not convinced yet. I need to see it. Pie-in-the-sky stats from a four game stint ignores the other two point something seasons where he hasn't done a great deal.

Can he do it?

Not one person knows for sure.

We'll see.

Until then I guess there will be threads like this where people drop their trousers and pull out their tape measures.

Put me down hoping he is greatness.

Put me down as thinking I want to be shown before I build his Hall-of-Fame bust.

Measure away, boys.

 

[odog422]

I truly don't believe this discussion is about the player. It is about the egos that go along with fans who want to be thought of as knowing the game.

I read how Austin had all those touchdowns in those games.

I also can read other stats. I also can see the same Miles Austin that had a Hall of Fame run early in the season had a three game stretch in December where he caught one pass for 23-yards.

Oh yeah, he was coming back from injury.

All I have ever said is I want this kid to succeed.

But he has to show me. He has to consistently get open against top flight competition. He has to catch the deep ball and force teams to account for him.

That answer will not come in August or September when the games don't mean jack-squat.

That comes when both teams are playing to win. When the outcome of the game counts against your record for the season.

All we can ask of him is to give his best effort and let the chips fall where they may.

I am not convinced yet. I need to see it. Pie-in-the-sky stats from a four game stint ignores the other two point something seasons where he hasn't done a great deal.

Can he do it?

Not one person knows for sure.

We'll see.

Until then I guess there will be threads like this where people drop their trousers and pull out their tape measures.

Put me down hoping he is greatness.

Put me down as thinking I want to be shown before I build his Hall-of-Fame bust.

Measure away, boys.

Which is it? Either the games not in August or September count or they don't.

If you judge a guy, judge the body of work AND judge the opportunities given. His role has NEVER been to be a lead receiver. It was a given he was raw coming in. Yet, he has played and performed.

I don't know how many truly believed and agreed with Jerry's proclamation that Austin would essentially replace Owens, but I think a realist would be hoping to count on Austin to present a deep threat primarily, but not necessarily become an all-pro at receiver. He doesn't have to be.

IMO Austin is doing just fine, he DOES get open, an I fully expect him to contribute and have a solid role in this offense this year.

Again, why this thread was generated I have no idea. The critique of his route running by people who have not sat down and watched Austin's route running in practice, games and on film is laughable. What I'd really like to know is how many downing him in this thread were Owens supporters because to me seems to be a connection. Still upset over his release.

Which is also funny, because Owens was never lauded over his superior "technique" or "great hands," the guy was just a physically extraordinary talent.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Which is it? Either the games not in August or September count or they don't.

If you judge a guy, judge the body of work AND judge the opportunities given. His role has NEVER been to be a lead receiver. It was a given he was raw coming in. Yet, he has played and performed.

I don't know how many truly believed and agreed with Jerry's proclamation that Austin would essentially replace Owens, but I think a realist would be hoping to count on Austin to present a deep threat primarily, but not necessarily become an all-pro at receiver. He doesn't have to be.

IMO Austin is doing just fine, he DOES get open, an I fully expect him to contribute and have a solid role in this offense this year.

Again, why this thread was generated I have no idea. The critique of his route running by people who have not sat down and watched Austin's route running in practice, games and on film is laughable. What I'd really like to know is how many downing him in this thread were Owens supporters because to me seems to be a connection. Still upset over his release.

Which is also funny, because Owens was never lauded over his superior "technique" or "great hands," the guy was just a physically extraordinary talent.

The four game stint was last year. The stats offered up in a post earlier in this thread. Three TDs in four games.

The body of his work is he has twenty-three catches in three years.

We'll see when they tee up the first game in Tampa.

 

[Clove]

I truly don't believe this discussion is about the player. It is about the egos that go along with fans who want to be thought of as knowing the game.

The discussion is about his route running, not saying that the guy isn't good, just that he does not run good routes, which he doen't, IMO.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I truly don't believe this discussion is about the player. It is about the egos that go along with fans who want to be thought of as knowing the game.

But he has to show me.

That get a big ole . Its our egos but he has to show YOU something.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The discussion is about his route running, not saying that the guy isn't good, just that he does not run good routes, which he doen't, IMO.

He gets great separation no matter what he does.

 

[superpunk]

There's noone here who is qualified to analyze what sort of routes Austin runs. We don't know the routes, whether he's running the proper distance, etc. Best we can do is say he makes sharp breaks, and I think he does.

He's just been unreliable. Didn't he have some problems slipping in Washington last season? Maybe our whole team did. He's had problem on quick passes actually getting the ball put away before he takes off, resulting in drops. If he becomes more reliable Romo will throw him more passes. I think he can clearly get open, that's not a problem.

 

[odog422]

The four game stint was last year. The stats offered up in a post earlier in this thread. Three TDs in four games.

And your point is what? As I said, in your post, you said you want to see him do it past August and September and he did it. How many receivers give you 3 TDs in four games as a third receiver? Blowing it off blows your credibility.

The body of his work is he has twenty-three catches in three years.

As I also said in my post, he came here raw - widely acknowledged - and at the bottom of the depth chart. Injuries have been his biggest detriment as the coaches and Romo, in particular, expected him to perform based on whey THEY saw everyday. Throw in the percentage of the passing game that had to be directed at Owens, as well as Witten, and he and any other receiver begin with limited opportunities. And when he was healthy he produced. No one expected big production from him when he got here. His first year was essentially a red-shirt.

We'll see when they tee up the first game in Tampa.

Yes, in part. After all, it's about the body of work, right? One game will not determine what his impact will or wont be this year.

 

[odog422]

The discussion is about his route running, not saying that the guy isn't good, just that he does not run good routes, which he doen't, IMO.

He gets great separation no matter what he does.

Agreed.

 

[odog422]

There's noone here who is qualified to analyze what sort of routes Austin runs. We don't know the routes, whether he's running the proper distance, etc. Best we can do is say he makes sharp breaks, and I think he does.

My point earlier the thread.

He's just been unreliable. Didn't he have some problems slipping in Washington last season? Maybe our whole team did. He's had problem on quick passes actually getting the ball put away before he takes off, resulting in drops. If he becomes more reliable Romo will throw him more passes. I think he can clearly get open, that's not a problem.

My other point - he was a work in progress from the start.

 

[YosemiteSam]

He gets great separation no matter what he does.

Thats is due to his speed. It's nothing bracketing him won't fix from a defensive stand point. Timing routes require good breaks.

 

[CATCH17]

I actually heard Broadus on the radio say the only routes he see's him struggle with are the double move out routes.

He said he is a player you want to get down field whether it be deep down the sideline or across the middle.



He said Ogletree is already a really good route runner and he makes every route look the exact same.

 

[odog422]

Thats is due to his speed. It's nothing bracketing him won't fix from a defensive stand point. Timing routes require good breaks.

So how does Witten, as you pointed out in your opening post, do it? It's obviously not due to great speed. So how is he getting separation?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thats is due to his speed. It's nothing bracketing him won't fix from a defensive stand point. Timing routes require good breaks.

Yeah him getting open on outs and ins is due to his speed.

Again I laugh everytime I hear someone claim anything about his route running seeing that you can't see what the WR are doing downfield in a telecast.

I went to TC 5 times this year and have seen him run routes. He doesn't round them and its very obvious that he and Romo are on the same page as to depth and timing. He doesn't have the same burst as Crayton or Hurd coming out of a break but then his frame is longer and that stands to reason. He uses his soeed to set them up sure but in no way should that be used against him.

To claim that the routes he runs are 'not good' is ludicrous.

Oh and if they want to double him and leave 7 in the box and single coverage elsewhere thats great from an offensive standpoint.

 

[theogt]

It's nothing bracketing him won't fix from a defensive stand point.

Good point. Give him constant double coverage. That's the only way to beat him.

 

[odog422]

Good point. Give him constant double coverage. That's the only way to beat him.

And the corner he's backed into continues to close....

From can't run routes to requiring double coverage. Love it.

 

[CATCH17]

Good point. Give him constant double coverage. That's the only way to beat him.

We can only hope.

 

[jobberone]

We had a poll some time ago about Austin. I wonder if the perception of the board has changed.

Maybe it's time for another one.

 

[TwoDeep3]

That get a big ole . Its our egos but he has to show YOU something.

Show me something because I do not believe one fan on this or any other board about this player. I have seen far too many Randall Williams - Danny Amendolas to think I have no clue either.

So don't tell me it's raining while tinkling down my back.

Just show me and I will believe.

No ego involved. I don't know. But don't tell me. Show me.

 

[TwoDeep3]

And your point is what? As I said, in your post, you said you want to see him do it past August and September and he did it. How many receivers give you 3 TDs in four games as a third receiver? Blowing it off blows your credibility.



As I also said in my post, he came here raw - widely acknowledged - and at the bottom of the depth chart. Injuries have been his biggest detriment as the coaches and Romo, in particular, expected him to perform based on whey THEY saw everyday. Throw in the percentage of the passing game that had to be directed at Owens, as well as Witten, and he and any other receiver begin with limited opportunities. And when he was healthy he produced. No one expected big production from him when he got here. His first year was essentially a red-shirt.



Yes, in part. After all, it's about the body of work, right? One game will not determine what his impact will or wont be this year.

And yet your blowing off his December returns does what for your point?

Bottom line is I am not making excuses as to why the guy hasn't shined.

Just show me the goods in regular season.