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This means nothing other than the fact that you lack the gift of foresight...be sure to check in after your team discovers new lows following their next meeting with the Cowboys...I'm looking forward to your change in tone...and should tears accompany the realization that the Cowboys just added 10 years to the futility of your team, bottle them up and sell them on eBay. Tears of Cowboys foes are priceless.

Wrong and wrong. First off, 2 rookies based off of PRESEASON results are now the newly anointed kings?? LOL
try that when they've actually played meaningful games and DONE something, vs. preseason hopes and dreams.


No Redsk*ns fan can be believed when they say "fans of the other [NFCE] teams don't care." Skins and Eagles fans define themselves by their performances relative to the Cowboys.

Besides, when you live in the basement, you're fascinated with what the people stomping around upstairs are doing. Skinsfan found out last year that somebody left the basement door unlocked. He slunk into the living room and is sitting on the couch pretending he belongs and hoping nobody notices he's there. Eaglesfan is too distracted setting himself on fire and then congratulating himself for putting it out to notice. Giantsfan is thinking about Cowboysfan, and Cowboysfan is thinking about that 1995 Superbowl like it was yesterday, but pretty soon everybody is going to remember, and it's back-to-basement time for Washington.

And this gem.. "the people upstairs"
maybe you meant the people ON the stairs. For all the hype and hoopla the cowboys have done nothing more than the Commanders in the same span of 20 years. same amount of playoff appearances, no superbowls. Yes, Washington has had more last place finishes but if that's what you need to cling to to feel better about your team's stunning mediocrity with all the "superstars" then go right ahead.

and only in the minds of dallas fans do other teams define themselves by the cowboys. To clarify, I said fans of other teams don't care about a overhyped #4 pick and a 4th round qb. You guys act like we should be quaking at the mere thought of mighty preseason warriors Elliot and Prescott.. well we're not.
 

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And this gem.. "the people upstairs"
maybe you meant the people ON the stairs. For all the hype and hoopla the cowboys have done nothing more than the Commanders in the same span of 20 years. same amount of playoff appearances, no superbowls. Yes, Washington has had more last place finishes but if that's what you need to cling to to feel better about your team's stunning mediocrity with all the "superstars" then go right ahead.

and only in the minds of dallas fans do other teams define themselves by the cowboys. To clarify, I said fans of other teams don't care about a overhyped #4 pick and a 4th round qb. You guys act like we should be quaking at the mere thought of mighty preseason warriors Elliot and Prescott.. well we're not.

Yeah, I'm going to cling to the fact that WAS is an organization of basement dwellers. I thought I'd said that already.

The same goes for what I said about your preoccupation with what the Cowboys do. That phenomenon is alive and well whether you want to own it or not. I can go into any Skins fan forum in the universe and see the same inferiority complex in action.
 

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And this gem.. "the people upstairs"
maybe you meant the people ON the stairs. For all the hype and hoopla the cowboys have done nothing more than the Commanders in the same span of 20 years. same amount of playoff appearances, no superbowls. Yes, Washington has had more last place finishes but if that's what you need to cling to to feel better about your team's stunning mediocrity with all the "superstars" then go right ahead.

and only in the minds of dallas fans do other teams define themselves by the cowboys. To clarify, I said fans of other teams don't care about a overhyped #4 pick and a 4th round qb. You guys act like we should be quaking at the mere thought of mighty preseason warriors Elliot and Prescott.. well we're not.

Yeah, I'm going to cling to the fact that WAS is an organization of basement dwellers. I thought I'd said that already.

The same goes for what I said about your preoccupation with what the Cowboys do. That phenomenon is alive and well whether you want to own it or not. I can go into any Skins fan forum in the universe and see the same inferiority complex in action.
 

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You're flat out wrong or so off base on so many levels I don't even know where to begin... so here goes.
SM will always draft BPA vs need, unless the two are rated evenly. Doctson was the highest rated guy available at the pick, so he was the one. Not that hard to understand. Drafting for need gets you in trouble, and that's a formula the skins have followed for a long time and it got us nothing.
That "average" guard he drafted last year played all but one play last year, and that was because his shoe fell off. He gave up 2 sacks, and was good run blocking, vs a dl who graded out great against the run, but accounted for 3 sacks and 30 tackles when it was all said and done. Really big lopsided score there.. He couldn't have gone very wrong with either pick. Keep in mind that 4/5 of the offensive line was new after losing out starting LG week 2 and the C later. And I seriously doubt that the desire to emulate dallas ONE outstanding rushing season was the rationale behind the pick.. but keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

as for drafting, you're completely off base. He was a senior executive with the seahawks from 2000-2004, and had a hand in drafting guys like Marcus Trufant, Steve Hutchinson, Floyd Womack, Shaun Alexander, Michael Boulware, Koren Robinson.. you know, guys who helped them reach their first superbowl in 2005.
San Francisco, Joe Staley, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Dashon Goldson, Delanie Walker, Michael Crabtree, Tarrell Brown, Ahmad Brooks, and signing Justin Smith.. you know, guys who helped them get to 3 straight NFC Championship games and a SB?
Then Seattle again, where even if he only gets half credit as a senior personnel executive at least had a hand in guys like Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, Russell Wilson, Byron Maxwell, Jeremy Lane.. you know, guys who helped them get to 2 superbowls?? see a trend here?
to claim those seattle players were only Schneider/Carroll with absolutely zero input from the senior personnel exec is asinine... I guess he was just sitting around collecting a paycheck for no reason.

Crowder is average.. ok.. he was only the 2nd ranked rookie receiver behind Cooper.. but a scrub like Beasley is the real deal?
and this is the best one.. "So don't come in here and try to sell us that you have a "real" GM now when the guy has done absolutely diddly-squat to prove anything other than he can take the wrong guy in the first round with the best of them and he can't tell a good free agent from a hole in the ground."

a cowboys fan says he took the wrong guy in the first round so it must be true. ooookkkkk.

LOL... The same BS every skins fans says about it.

"Had a hand in drafting" is one of your favorite sayings regarding Scot. As if he's employed at all by a franchise, then every good player they have was picked by SMAC.

He was GM for two seasons in SF. That is the only time we know those were his picks and they were dreadful drafts. And his two drafts in Washington leave much to be desired. (Scherff is as good as L Williams huh?)

Just because you say the guys he picked are great doesn't make it so.

And Seattle sure hasn't missed his evaluations. Seattle let him go a full year before Washington picked him up. Oh but they used his "scouting" service.

You guys trumpet how much he improved the depth but the cupboard was bare when he came in. He would have had to miss monumentally not to help the depth.

And I never said a word about Beasley nor did I compare Crowder to him A(although as an UDFA Beasley is a much better find). I said that Crowder is only average. He caught a lot of balls last year because there was nobody in Washington ahead of him to challenge him for the slot position. You say second to Cooper as if they belong in the same galaxy together. The guy who belongs with Cooper is Lockett. You know, the guy Carroll and Schneider took in Seattle. The guys who can't pick without Scot.

So sit and say I'm off base all you want. Heck, I would have been shocked if you didn't. The guys who are making Washington better are not SMAC picks (Cousins mainly, Reed' DJAX).

And finally, every GM says they took the highest rated player with their first pick. Again that doesn't make it so.

The fact is, Washington wanted Kelly going in and desperately needed him. By not moving up in a small trade, Scot failed the Commanders in what they so badly needed.

Oh but he was letting the draft come to him, right? Because he is so awesome getting talent right? LOL
 

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These are interesting times indeed. What a mystery awaits on Sunday. Nobody really knows what to expect. Positive and negative vibes flow simultaneously as hope springs, yet disappointment threatens at the same time. Vegas has it as a pick-em. Nobody knows diddly.

It ain't just us wondering what all this means. Everybody. Coaches, players, opponents, media....the football world wonders what this Sunday's peak into Cowboys future will look like.

What must they be thinking?

NFC East: Dread, sheer dread. If the #@&*# Cowboys just nabbed their starting backfield for the next 10 years in a single draft, the haters will physically convulse. How many quarterbacks have the Commanders had to rifle through since Mark Rypien? How many have the Eagles before and after McNabb? And this running back behind THAT offensive line? Good gosh, if Dallas builds a defense, this is going to be a long decade. You can feel the angst and sense the bitterness. Meredith, Staubach, White, Aikman, Romo, and now 10+ years of another one? Son of a _________! And that's just from Mara, Lurie, and Snyder. The fans will have to drink another decade away.

Tony Romo: I'd certainly give more than a penny for his thoughts. My guess is, he now knows he's got to let it rip when he gets back, assuming Prescott is adequate or better these next few games. That's both comforting and threatening to a QB who desperately wants to win before he's gone, but also is accustomed to knowing nothing sits behind him if he falls. I'll bet we see an aggressive and spirited Romo upon his return. His window is now smaller not just because of father time and injuries, it's smaller because of what looms in waiting. Prescott isn't fully ready, but it also won't be all that long. Two years tops. Just like us, Romo must be anxious to find out how he holds up, and if his magic still exists because a reasonable performance by Prescott, and a QB controversy looms next offseason. This time, it won't just be non-thinking whims of casual know-nothings. The debate will be real, and it'll be spectacular.

Jason Garrett/Scott Linehan: Time to take the gloves off with Romo. When he's ready to come back, call the game to win alone, not to protect him. Let the chips fall where they may. If he's the same Romo as they hope and expect, then awesome! But if not, this time there's not a paneled station wagon collecting dust on the other side of the garage in waiting. This time, there's a DeLorean with a flux capacitor ready to take us to the future, record be damned this year.

McClay and the Joneses: What a lucky coup this would be. After failing to pull off trades to grab Paxton Lynch or Connor Cook, they "settled" for a QB they would no doubt rather have now than those two. If this is real, it's like a Romo miracle all over again, and boy does that set up immediate possibilities next offseason. Imagine a key defensive free agent signing, the addition of a healthy Jaylon Smith, and four consecutive defensive picks to start the draft. With an offense solidly in place with young studleys, a defense could be crafted and stacked in short order with 6-7 players.

The National Media: Yep, this stock of ninnies are as scared as the divisional opponents. Mind you, these are mostly a collection of paste-eating dorks who grew up in the northeast despising the pretty Cowboys. They play "expert" and fake objectivity, but they're all just Stephen A. Smith in disguise. If you look close enough, you can see their Patriots and Giants underwear sticking out of the top of their pants. They have nightmares of Romo leading this team to a championship already, and now they've got another QB to take the baton and run through another football generation? I'm telling you, they're scheming as we speak in case Dak can really play. They're petrified. They lavish the times when Dallas is bad, and this does not bode well.

Me: I don't know what to think or what I want. The perfect scenario is a healthy Romo by Week 5 and an encouraging run by Prescott. Then a season for Dak to watch and learn and work on his craft. Winning this season will require experience in those late-game scenarios against the likes of Pittsburgh and Green Bay. That's when the elite QBs earn their stripes. Romo is the guy for that right now, not Dak, and imagine how good that would be for Dak to witness first hand as Romo's understudy. What a boost to his development that would be. That's what I most hope for, a strong finish for Romo and an accelerated learning curve for Prescott. Perfection.

There will be two utterly fascinating games to watch this season: this Sunday, and the first game Romo plays. And what an amazingly interesting and captivating season this will be, win or lose, good or bad, healthy Romo or not.

I'm giddy.
Post of the year. Sums it up perfectly.
 

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Wrong and wrong. First off, 2 rookies based off of PRESEASON results are now the newly anointed kings?? LOL
try that when they've actually played meaningful games and DONE something, vs. preseason hopes and dreams.




And this gem.. "the people upstairs"
maybe you meant the people ON the stairs. For all the hype and hoopla the cowboys have done nothing more than the Commanders in the same span of 20 years. same amount of playoff appearances, no superbowls. Yes, Washington has had more last place finishes but if that's what you need to cling to to feel better about your team's stunning mediocrity with all the "superstars" then go right ahead.

and only in the minds of dallas fans do other teams define themselves by the cowboys. To clarify, I said fans of other teams don't care about a overhyped #4 pick and a 4th round qb. You guys act like we should be quaking at the mere thought of mighty preseason warriors Elliot and Prescott.. well we're not.

If we are irrelevant for the last 20 years why do we get the max number of prime time games every year?
Why do shows like First Take have us featured, at least, 3 times a week?

Answer: We are AMERICA'S TEAM. :starspin:

If you don't like it move to Russia.
 

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That would mean Romo would be out for 10 weeks. I doubt that.

Focus more on the winning percentage than the number of games in the example. No one can really know how long he will be out. But if its 8 games, then those are the records I believe we would have to have.
 

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No Redsk*ns fan can be believed when they say "fans of the other [NFCE] teams don't care." Skins and Eagles fans define themselves by their performances relative to the Cowboys.

Besides, when you live in the basement, you're fascinated with what the people stomping around upstairs are doing. Skinsfan found out last year that somebody left the basement door unlocked. He slunk into the living room and is sitting on the couch pretending he belongs and hoping nobody notices he's there. Eaglesfan is too distracted setting himself on fire and then congratulating himself for putting it out to notice. Giantsfan is thinking about Cowboysfan, and Cowboysfan is thinking about that 1995 Superbowl like it was yesterday, but pretty soon everybody is going to remember, and it's back-to-basement time for Washington.

Doesnt that sound rather ridiculous considering we were in the basement last year and they were at the top?
 

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Wrong and wrong. First off, 2 rookies based off of PRESEASON results are now the newly anointed kings?? LOL
try that when they've actually played meaningful games and DONE something, vs. preseason hopes and dreams.
This is so disappointing. I had hoped for a spirited debate or a clever retort and the best you come up with is "Wrong and wrong." I feel like I just showed up to a glove slapping contest with a bazooka. It's not even fun anymore...I'm kind of embarrassed for you.
 
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This is so disappointing. I had hoped for a spirited debate or a clever retort and the best you come up with is "Wrong and wrong." I feel like I just showed up to a glove slapping contest with a bazooka. It's not even fun anymore...I'm kind of embarrassed for you.

ok.. because your lame quip about bottled tears was supposed to be some high flying smackdown? It was barely worth responding to, certainly not the "spirited debate" you claim to have been looking for.
The only thing you should be embarrassed about is your choice of team along with your delusions of how 2 rookies who haven't played a down of meaningful football are going to move everyone else to tears for the next 10 years.

You had a better quarterback for the LAST 10 years, and what did that get you?
 
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Yeah, I'm going to cling to the fact that WAS is an organization of basement dwellers. I thought I'd said that already.

The same goes for what I said about your preoccupation with what the Cowboys do. That phenomenon is alive and well whether you want to own it or not. I can go into any Skins fan forum in the universe and see the same inferiority complex in action.

you're right.. because your history of 3rd place finishes is sooo much loftier. Just because you have had a few more 3rds than 4ths is such a huge difference.
How did you like the basement last year? Prepared to stay there for awhile? You should get comfortable, because it's been vacated and ready for new tenants. Of course, you'll have to fight it out with the eagles, but luck of the draw I guess.

You go into any skins fan forum and the only thing you'll find is laughter at your teams antics, and how your fans think your team is some perennial contender when they're really just perennial pretenders.
You guys think you deserve a spot at the big boy table every year because you had one (1!) season over .500 in the last half decade, but think somehow that's the norm even though yearly records show otherwise.
 

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These are interesting times indeed. What a mystery awaits on Sunday. Nobody really knows what to expect. Positive and negative vibes flow simultaneously as hope springs, yet disappointment threatens at the same time. Vegas has it as a pick-em. Nobody knows diddly.

It ain't just us wondering what all this means. Everybody. Coaches, players, opponents, media....the football world wonders what this Sunday's peak into Cowboys future will look like.

What must they be thinking?

NFC East: Dread, sheer dread. If the #@&*# Cowboys just nabbed their starting backfield for the next 10 years in a single draft, the haters will physically convulse. How many quarterbacks have the Commanders had to rifle through since Mark Rypien? How many have the Eagles before and after McNabb? And this running back behind THAT offensive line? Good gosh, if Dallas builds a defense, this is going to be a long decade. You can feel the angst and sense the bitterness. Meredith, Staubach, White, Aikman, Romo, and now 10+ years of another one? Son of a _________! And that's just from Mara, Lurie, and Snyder. The fans will have to drink another decade away.

Tony Romo: I'd certainly give more than a penny for his thoughts. My guess is, he now knows he's got to let it rip when he gets back, assuming Prescott is adequate or better these next few games. That's both comforting and threatening to a QB who desperately wants to win before he's gone, but also is accustomed to knowing nothing sits behind him if he falls. I'll bet we see an aggressive and spirited Romo upon his return. His window is now smaller not just because of father time and injuries, it's smaller because of what looms in waiting. Prescott isn't fully ready, but it also won't be all that long. Two years tops. Just like us, Romo must be anxious to find out how he holds up, and if his magic still exists because a reasonable performance by Prescott, and a QB controversy looms next offseason. This time, it won't just be non-thinking whims of casual know-nothings. The debate will be real, and it'll be spectacular.

Jason Garrett/Scott Linehan: Time to take the gloves off with Romo. When he's ready to come back, call the game to win alone, not to protect him. Let the chips fall where they may. If he's the same Romo as they hope and expect, then awesome! But if not, this time there's not a paneled station wagon collecting dust on the other side of the garage in waiting. This time, there's a DeLorean with a flux capacitor ready to take us to the future, record be damned this year.

McClay and the Joneses: What a lucky coup this would be. After failing to pull off trades to grab Paxton Lynch or Connor Cook, they "settled" for a QB they would no doubt rather have now than those two. If this is real, it's like a Romo miracle all over again, and boy does that set up immediate possibilities next offseason. Imagine a key defensive free agent signing, the addition of a healthy Jaylon Smith, and four consecutive defensive picks to start the draft. With an offense solidly in place with young studleys, a defense could be crafted and stacked in short order with 6-7 players.

The National Media: Yep, this stock of ninnies are as scared as the divisional opponents. Mind you, these are mostly a collection of paste-eating dorks who grew up in the northeast despising the pretty Cowboys. They play "expert" and fake objectivity, but they're all just Stephen A. Smith in disguise. If you look close enough, you can see their Patriots and Giants underwear sticking out of the top of their pants. They have nightmares of Romo leading this team to a championship already, and now they've got another QB to take the baton and run through another football generation? I'm telling you, they're scheming as we speak in case Dak can really play. They're petrified. They lavish the times when Dallas is bad, and this does not bode well.

Me: I don't know what to think or what I want. The perfect scenario is a healthy Romo by Week 5 and an encouraging run by Prescott. Then a season for Dak to watch and learn and work on his craft. Winning this season will require experience in those late-game scenarios against the likes of Pittsburgh and Green Bay. That's when the elite QBs earn their stripes. Romo is the guy for that right now, not Dak, and imagine how good that would be for Dak to witness first hand as Romo's understudy. What a boost to his development that would be. That's what I most hope for, a strong finish for Romo and an accelerated learning curve for Prescott. Perfection.

There will be two utterly fascinating games to watch this season: this Sunday, and the first game Romo plays. And what an amazingly interesting and captivating season this will be, win or lose, good or bad, healthy Romo or not.

I'm giddy.
Probably your best effort. Well written. Thank you.
 

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you're right.. because your history of 3rd place finishes is sooo much loftier. Just because you have had a few more 3rds than 4ths is such a huge difference.
How did you like the basement last year? Prepared to stay there for awhile? You should get comfortable, because it's been vacated and ready for new tenants. Of course, you'll have to fight it out with the eagles, but luck of the draw I guess.

You go into any skins fan forum and the only thing you'll find is laughter at your teams antics, and how your fans think your team is some perennial contender when they're really just perennial pretenders.
You guys think you deserve a spot at the big boy table every year because you had one (1!) season over .500 in the last half decade, but think somehow that's the norm even though yearly records show otherwise.

I hated the basement this year. All the burgundy and gold made me want to puke.

I'm embarrassed to say that I've actually been in Sk*ns forums, so I know what you're describing is not actually the case. I believe it's what you fervently want to *be* the case, but it's not.

I do like that you're excited about Sk*ns football again. For a season. It reminds me of when Joe Gibbs came back and you guys got all chippy for two years. Remember? Except this time, it's Scot McCloughan playing the role of Joe Gibbs v2, also he's drunk.
 

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Will Romo be able to communicate to Dak during the game on the field, to help him with protections?
 

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Doesnt that sound rather ridiculous considering we were in the basement last year and they were at the top?

Subtract Cousins, Garcon, and their best corner a year ago. Where do they finish?

That's what Dallas faced.
 

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Wrong and wrong. First off, 2 rookies based off of PRESEASON results are now the newly anointed kings?? LOL
try that when they've actually played meaningful games and DONE something, vs. preseason hopes and dreams.




And this gem.. "the people upstairs"
maybe you meant the people ON the stairs. For all the hype and hoopla the cowboys have done nothing more than the Commanders in the same span of 20 years. same amount of playoff appearances, no superbowls. Yes, Washington has had more last place finishes but if that's what you need to cling to to feel better about your team's stunning mediocrity with all the "superstars" then go right ahead.

and only in the minds of dallas fans do other teams define themselves by the cowboys. To clarify, I said fans of other teams don't care about a overhyped #4 pick and a 4th round qb. You guys act like we should be quaking at the mere thought of mighty preseason warriors Elliot and Prescott.. well we're not.

First off, Elliott will be an elite back day one. That's a gimme. You can just see it plain as day, especially behind this line.

And second, your team believes in your quarterback so much, it refused to pay the man beyond this season. I don't know what Dak Prescott will be, but I'd bet a lot of money he's as good as Cousins right now. I GUARANTEE you that your GM would trade Cousins for Dak straight up right now. No doubt about that.
 

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ok.. because your lame quip about bottled tears was supposed to be some high flying smackdown? It was barely worth responding to, certainly not the "spirited debate" you claim to have been looking for.
The only thing you should be embarrassed about is your choice of team along with your delusions of how 2 rookies who haven't played a down of meaningful football are going to move everyone else to tears for the next 10 years.

You had a better quarterback for the LAST 10 years, and what did that get you?
Well then, you are in for an education Sunday. Rookie is nothing but a title. You either can or can't play right away...the two rookies you question absolutely can. But I get it. You see buzz words like "rookie" and "preseason" and assume it is all a mirage. I'd provide you more context, but it will be a whole lot more entertaining for me to let you learn the hard way.

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First off, Elliott will be an elite back day one. That's a gimme. You can just see it plain as day, especially behind this line.

And second, your team believes in your quarterback so much, it refused to pay the man beyond this season. I don't know what Dak Prescott will be, but I'd bet a lot of money he's as good as Cousins right now. I GUARANTEE you that your GM would trade Cousins for Dak straight up right now. No doubt about that.
No way right now would make that trade. In a few weeks perhaps .

Some fans evaluations of their own teams players are off the charts.Unbelievable.

What ever happened to waiting for results to come in for a more accurate analysis ?
 

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No way right now would make that trade. In a few weeks perhaps .

Some fans evaluations of their own teams players are off the charts.Unbelievable.

What ever happened to waiting for results to come in for a more accurate analysis ?
If the Commanders believed in Cousins, they would sign him. You don't franchise tag starting quarterbacks you believe in.
 
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